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(07-18-2017 10:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  As the AAC does not have a success of a Boise State, I do not considered them a P6 conference.

There you have it folks.

There is little doubt the AAC is the 6th best conference. It just might not be "power" yet.

Most years the Mountain West is better than the AAC, the AAC had the better of it for the last coup,e years, but things tend to level out over time, and I look for MW to again be the best G5 league again. The AAC is no more a P5 than the Big Sky.


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It of course comes down to two very different, yet equally valid ways of comparing two conferences: 1) head to toe, or 2) just the top X teams (ie, top 3).

I think the MWC has a much better chance of matching up well with the AAC in the sense of the second type of comparison, than the first.

(07-18-2017 06:47 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm not seeing any change in perception.

From the perch Alabama's on, I'm not surprised. How are you able to breathe up there?

(07-18-2017 09:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 08:29 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It continues to seem odd that the AAC remains in Providence (where the Old Big East offices are located) and not in a more centralized city for teams to be able to travel to. One would think that Memphis, Dallas or Orlando would be more logical (and geographical) fits.

And why even spend money on a billboard in Rhode Island? Their target market isn't even there. Heck, not even a portion of their audience is there. Get more advertisements in the South, where college football is king (and where UCF, USF, ECU, Tulane, Houston and SMU are all located. Very puzzling.

They are just waiting on some leases to expire. A very poorly kept secret is that they will be eventually moving conference HQ to Dallas.

Dallas isn't very centralized for the AAC. In fact planting the AAC flag in Dallas only continues the idiocy that is geographic HQ outliers.

(07-18-2017 02:55 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Most years the Mountain West is better than the AAC, the AAC had the better of it for the last coup,e years, but things tend to level out over time, and I look for MW to again be the best G5 league again. The AAC is no more a P5 than the Big Sky.


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In football, the MWC "may" beat the AAC in the future in a particular year here and there. However, in basketball, there is a huge gap now between AAC and MWC. MWC bball is absolute dog crap and will likely remain that way.

(07-18-2017 12:13 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The AAC schools will run out of money trying to spend an extra $20M per year without matching revenue to keep up.

The definition of working will be a $10-15M per year per school T1/T2 TV deal in 2020, negotiated in 2019

neither of these things are going to happen.

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(07-18-2017 02:55 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Most years the Mountain West is better than the AAC, the AAC had the better of it for the last coup,e years, but things tend to level out over time, and I look for MW to again be the best G5 league again. The AAC is no more a P5 than the Big Sky.


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Well, seeing as the AAC has only existed for 3 years in its present form---your basically saying the AAC is usually better than the MW. The old MW your maybe thinking of with TCU, BYU, and Utah doesn't exist anymore.

Just pointing it out:

The P5 actually have nothing to do with giving the AAC a seat at the table. That's entirely up to AAC fans to impress TV and the bowls with viewers and fan support.

(07-18-2017 03:04 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 09:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 08:29 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It continues to seem odd that the AAC remains in Providence (where the Old Big East offices are located) and not in a more centralized city for teams to be able to travel to. One would think that Memphis, Dallas or Orlando would be more logical (and geographical) fits.

And why even spend money on a billboard in Rhode Island? Their target market isn't even there. Heck, not even a portion of their audience is there. Get more advertisements in the South, where college football is king (and where UCF, USF, ECU, Tulane, Houston and SMU are all located. Very puzzling.

They are just waiting on some leases to expire. A very poorly kept secret is that they will be eventually moving conference HQ to Dallas.

Dallas isn't very centralized for the AAC. In fact planting the AAC flag in Dallas only continues the idiocy that is geographic HQ outliers.

It's an airline hub, the location of a league member, the home of 2 other FBS HQ's, and the location of numerous major sporting events (including 3 bowls--two of which offer G5 vs P5 match ups). There are worse places to have a headquarters.

(07-18-2017 02:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  It of course comes down to two very different, yet equally valid ways of comparing two conferences: 1) head to toe, or 2) just the top X teams (ie, top 3).

I think the MWC has a much better chance of matching up well with the AAC in the sense of the second type of comparison, than the first.

Not sure why you think those are 'equally valid'? Might as well say it's equally valid to compare the three worst teams.

The only valid method is top to bottom.

The ends of the spectrum are to compare only the top school and to compare all schools. Usually the optimal is not at the end of the spectrum but somewhere in the middle. Maybe 3 isn't enough. 5? 7? 9?

(07-18-2017 11:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 08:40 AM)Bull Wrote:  Do people even read before they post here? the article is not saying the aac *IS* a P5 conference... and that's why coaches are still getting poached. The article is saying that the start of a very long process is underway... and so far so good.


"No, there's no seat at the Power Five table right now. No, there probably won't be anytime between now and the end of the College Football Playoff contract in 2025. That's not the point. At least, it shouldn't be."

Here's what the author says about the goal of the P6 campaign:

"Instead of a playoff spot, the AAC is hoping that the perception it creates by championing itself as the most powerful Group of Five conference will help its champion earn that benefit of the doubt when the selection committee places teams in bowl games and gives its top-ranked Group of Five team a spot in the vaunted New Year's Six."

There are two things wrong with this. First, the AAC's campaign is not about positioning itself as the most powerful G5 conference. The whole concept of "P6" is that the AAC is NOT a member of the G5 at all, but rather should be regarded as a Power conference.

Second, if he's right about the goal of the campaign, to get the benefit of the doubt in CFP deliberations about which G5 school gets the NY6 Bowl bid, the available evidence suggests it has NOT worked, as the AAC has gotten the NY6 bid only 1 time in the 3 years it has been available. Heck, it failed to get that bid this past year, when it was easily the best of the G5 conferences during the regular season.

So this article seems a lot of poofery with nothing to back it up.

I don't expect you to respond......buuuuuttt.........AAC got the bid 1 time out of 3 chances..... and in the 2 that they were not selected, their top team had more loses during the regular season. Soooo...... quo...... I must ask........ if every conceivable media outlet expects the AAC to get the nod with an equal amount of loses to a candidate from one of the other conferences..........how exactly is it not working? The AAC gets the benefit.....other conferences have to have a better record, since tying the AAC will not get them in.

(07-18-2017 06:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 02:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  It of course comes down to two very different, yet equally valid ways of comparing two conferences: 1) head to toe, or 2) just the top X teams (ie, top 3).

I think the MWC has a much better chance of matching up well with the AAC in the sense of the second type of comparison, than the first.

Not sure why you think those are 'equally valid'? Might as well say it's equally valid to compare the three worst teams.

The only valid method is top to bottom.

Not so. The top teams get more attention than the middle or bottom teams. So comparing top vs top is a valid metric. Comparing our top 25 teams/ NCAA tournament teams / bowl teams vs their top 25/ NCAAT/ bowl teams is a valid metric.

And don't try to dismiss what people look at as not reflecting the real strength or weakness--this is big-time college athletics, which exists to advertise the schools.

(07-18-2017 08:29 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It continues to seem odd that the AAC remains in Providence (where the Old Big East offices are located) and not in a more centralized city for teams to be able to travel to. One would think that Memphis, Dallas or Orlando would be more logical (and geographical) fits.

And why even spend money on a billboard in Rhode Island? Their target market isn't even there. Heck, not even a portion of their audience is there. Get more advertisements in the South, where college football is king (and where UCF, USF, ECU, Tulane, Houston and SMU are all located. Very puzzling.

It's because Rhode Island is isolated enough they haven't heard the news of the P5's power grab.

(07-18-2017 08:29 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It continues to seem odd that the AAC remains in Providence (where the Old Big East offices are located) and not in a more centralized city for teams to be able to travel to. One would think that Memphis, Dallas or Orlando would be more logical (and geographical) fits.

And why even spend money on a billboard in Rhode Island? Their target market isn't even there. Heck, not even a portion of their audience is there. Get more advertisements in the South, where college football is king (and where UCF, USF, ECU, Tulane, Houston and SMU are all located. Very puzzling.

Uh, the Big East offices relocated to Washington, DC.

The AAC got the conference offices that were refurbished just before the "C7" walked out. That was part of the divorce settlement. I'm pretty sure that when the lease runs out, they'll relocate.

Part of the real dilemma is that, if the Conference had relocated its offices back when the C7 walked out, it probably would have picked Philadelphia or some such "symbolic" city. Since that time, the conference has become less urban and much more Southern and Western. So, anything east of Saint Louis really makes no sense. But if they put the offices in Texas, watch UC, UConn, and Temple not be very happy about it. Ditto with the Deep South. UC wanted to be in an EASTERN conference...they were very happy with the Big East. A "Midwestern" conference was a faint second. But now we're in an impoverished Southern and Western conference. It doesn't really fit UC at all, and I can't imagine what UConn (and to a lesser extent) Temple feels about it. So, keeping the offices in Newport at least doesn't open a new fight.

(07-18-2017 03:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 03:04 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 09:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 08:29 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It continues to seem odd that the AAC remains in Providence (where the Old Big East offices are located) and not in a more centralized city for teams to be able to travel to. One would think that Memphis, Dallas or Orlando would be more logical (and geographical) fits.

And why even spend money on a billboard in Rhode Island? Their target market isn't even there. Heck, not even a portion of their audience is there. Get more advertisements in the South, where college football is king (and where UCF, USF, ECU, Tulane, Houston and SMU are all located. Very puzzling.

They are just waiting on some leases to expire. A very poorly kept secret is that they will be eventually moving conference HQ to Dallas.

Dallas isn't very centralized for the AAC. In fact planting the AAC flag in Dallas only continues the idiocy that is geographic HQ outliers.

It's an airline hub, the location of a league member, the home of 2 other FBS HQ's, and the location of numerous major sporting events (including 3 bowls--two of which offer G5 vs P5 match ups). There are worse places to have a headquarters.

I know the reasons why they're moving there. My point of contention is, we heard from schools in the AAC pointing out how stupid it was to have it (HQ) in a geographic outlier like Providence but have no problem putting it in another geographic outlier like Dallas.