CMU + Ohio have are 4-0 in their last 4 B12 games (3 of those were Kansas)
NIU is 6-4 in their last 10 against the B10 (granted they lost the previous 20+)
UT is 3-1 in their last 4 against the B12

Quote:Who cares what conference they are in? Go by most vegas underdog wins or something like that?

Because that's a different story. That's just how well you beat (or don't beat) Vegas odds. The closest to that would be W/L vs teams Outside the conference in which you were the underdog (representing the MAC against others in general who are supposedly better).

But in the end, MAC teams vs Power teams (at that time) -- would be the best measuring stick. Even if said team (NIU, vs Purdue) was not the underdog -- it's a measuring stick of "how often", really. But, beating up on Kansas just inflates the numbers though. Poor Kansas.

(09-27-2017 06:58 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Who cares what conference they are in? Go by most vegas underdog wins or something like that?

Because that's a different story. That's just how well you beat (or don't beat) Vegas odds. The closest to that would be W/L vs teams Outside the conference in which you were the underdog (representing the MAC against others in general who are supposedly better).

But in the end, MAC teams vs Power teams (at that time) -- would be the best measuring stick. Even if said team (NIU, vs Purdue) was not the underdog -- it's a measuring stick of "how often", really. But, beating up on Kansas just inflates the numbers though. Poor Kansas.

If its talent you want then go by wins vs. Top 25 regardless of conference... Or better yet, wins vs. Teams who ended in the top 25.

Well, it's not raw talent -- although teams vs Top 35 or 40 (or any teams with more than 2 votes) would be a good stat.

It's more like "Teams in our conference VS 'better' ones".

I updated the records to include the Independents as P5: Florida State, Syracuse, Notre Dame, South Carolina, VaTech, West Virginia were included. I did not include teams like Boston College and Louisville because I could not tell if they were P5 or not.

Also added Big East

From Wiki:

Quote:The American's legal predecessor, the original Big East Conference, was considered one of the six collegiate power conferences of the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) era in college football, and The American inherited that status in the BCS's final season.[3] With the advent of the College Football Playoff in 2014, The American became a "Group of Five" conference, which shares one automatic spot in the New Year's Six bowl games.[note 3][4]

So basically, anyone in the ACC prior to 2014 was in a power conference.

(10-02-2017 03:45 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  From Wiki:

Quote:The American's legal predecessor, the original Big East Conference, was considered one of the six collegiate power conferences of the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) era in college football, and The American inherited that status in the BCS's final season.[3] With the advent of the College Football Playoff in 2014, The American became a "Group of Five" conference, which shares one automatic spot in the New Year's Six bowl games.[note 3][4]

So basically, anyone in the ACC prior to 2014 was in a power conference.

What confused me was their schedule. For example, in 1976 they played 11 games with the likes of UMass, Tulane, Army, Navy, Villanoa, Holy Cross. That didn't sound like a P5 team to me.

Yeah, that's where Google comes in.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sch...edule.html

I see BC's opponents seemed Independent, and I think there were a lot. Going to Wiki:

Quote: 1892–1972: Independent
1973–1977: Division I Independent
1978–1990: Division I-A Independent
1991–2004: Big East Conference
2005–present: Atlantic Coast Conference

So they never dealt in the AAC/Big East juggling of G5/P5 thing. So that part's easy. However, in the 70s and 80s, were they considered "power"? I see your complication. There was no "Power". Holy Cross wasn't a "non-major" D1 school though when they played them in your 1976 example apparently (but UMass was).

HOWEVER: Look at the bowl history. That tells the tale. Bowls starting Popping up for them -- and some good ones, too, starting in 1982: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bo...bowl_games

And looking at their schedule in 1982, it was P5-worthy: Texas A&M, Clemson, Navy, Temple, West Virginia, Rutgers, Army, Penn State, UMass (D1AA), Syracuse, Holy Cross (D1AA), Auburn [BOWL]). My guess would be to count 1978+ as P5-level for BC.

Updated list right before the season!

Plenty of opportunity to add to these numbers!

MAC vs P5 2019

Week 1
Kent St. @ Arizona St. (PAC-12)
Toledo @ Kentucky (SEC)
Akron @ Illinois (BIG-10)
Indiana @ Ball St. (BIG-10)
Miami @ Iowa (BIG-10)

Week 2
Ohio @ Pittsburgh (ACC)
BGSU @ Kansas St. (BIG-12)
NIU @ Utah (PAC-12)
CMU @ Wisconsin (BIG-10)
Buffalo @ Penn St. (BIG-10)
WMU @ Michigan St. (BIG-10)
EMU @ Kentucky (SEC)

Week 3
EMU @ Illinois (BIG-10)
Kent St. @ Auburn (SEC)
NIU @ Nebraska (BIG-10)

Week 4
Miami @ Ohio St. (BIG-10)
WMU @ Syracuse (ACC)
CMU @ Miami-FL (ACC)
Ball St. @ NC State (ACC)

Week 5
NIU @ Vanderbilt (SEC)
BYU @ Toledo (Indy)

Week 6
Kent St. @ Wisconsin (BIG-10)
BGSU @ Notre Dame (Indy)

Looks like everyone gets a shot at playing a P5 school within the first two weeks. Kent State and Northern Illinois are tied for playing the most P5 teams, with 3 each. Ohio, Akron and Buffalo tied for the least at 1.

If my math is correct, there are 23 games listed. Only 2 are MAC team home games. Ball State has 1 and Toledo has 1.

(08-28-2019 11:03 AM)Rocket75 Wrote:  If my math is correct, there are 23 games listed. Only 2 are MAC team home games. Ball State has 1 and Toledo has 1.

Ball States is in Indianapolis. BYU isn't considered P5 by most. Although their schedule is P5 like with Tennessee, Utah, Washington, USC, Boise State, Toledo, USF, and USU.

Eastern Michigan should beat Illinois. Will probably snag 1 or 2 more. Lot of tough ones. Maybe Ohio over Pittsburgh.

(08-28-2019 11:03 AM)Rocket75 Wrote:  If my math is correct, there are 23 games listed. Only 2 are MAC team home games. Ball State has 1 and Toledo has 1.

Maybe this is why? Just too much money to turn down by not going on the road.

UMass and Kent will each receive almost $2M to play at Auburn in 2020 and 2022.

https://www.gazettenet.com/UMass-footbal...0-11789352

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...126476001/

(08-29-2019 04:39 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:03 AM)Rocket75 Wrote:  If my math is correct, there are 23 games listed. Only 2 are MAC team home games. Ball State has 1 and Toledo has 1.

Maybe this is why? Just too much money to turn down by not going on the road.

UMass and Kent will each receive almost $2M to play at Auburn in 2020 and 2022.

https://www.gazettenet.com/UMass-footbal...0-11789352

I believe Kent leads the country in pay game revenue this year, $4.5 million from Auburn, Wisconsin,, and Arizona State IIRC. Miami is fifth with $2.5 from Iowa and OSU as well.