Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
Author Message
MplsBison Offline
Banned

Posts: 16,648
Joined: Dec 2014
I Root For: NDSU/Minnesota
Location:
Post: #121
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
(07-18-2017 11:09 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  But Arizona had a different history and population distribution. The Civil War, Jim Crow, shifting economy all play factors. It's not like someone sat down on day and said scatter 10 bachelor degree granting schools about.

University of Arkansas started as a land grant by the Reconstruction government in remote and little populated Fayetteville as a reward for Union sympathies. What is now UAPB was started as a branch campus (later independent then folded back in after financial problems) for blacks to avoid integration in Pine Bluff, southeast of Little Rock where king cotton met the timber industry.

Then nearly 40 years what became UCA was established west of Little Rock as a teacher's college in 1908.

A year later the four agriculture schools that would become jucos then four year schools in the state, AState, Arkansas Tech, UA Monticello, and Southern Arkansas.

All stays quiet for 20 years until the Arkansas Methodists choose to close their college in Arkadelphia and merge it with Hendrix in Conway. The locals and alums want to save the school so the local politicians lobby to turn the school over to the state and the Methodists agree if the state will take it they will donate the buildings and land to the state so it becomes Henderson State and operates as a public liberal arts college in 1929.

The state won't add another four year public for 40 years.

In 1927 the Little Rock School District created a juco called Little Rock Junior College. During the desegregation crisis in 1957 the district spun the school off as a private college to avoid state orders to shut down the District. The new board made it a four year school called Little Rock University. As the 60's drew to a close it was broke and on the verge of closing and the legislature was persuaded to accept donation of the school and add it to the UA System in 1969.

The latest bachelor degree institution was UA Fort Smith in 1997. At the time Fort Smith was the largest city in America without a campus awarding a four year degree. The school started as a juco run by the local school district in 1928, was spun off as private school in 1950. In 1965 it became tax supported by a county-wide property tax. 1989 it offered a degree center in partnership with 5 colleges before being able to award its own bachelor degrees. When it merged into UA in 2001 it had to be approved by both boards, the state and because of the tax, the county voters.

From statehood until the 1970's the population of Arkansas was mostly in Little Rock and south and east of Little Rock. Since it has shifted with population in Little Rock and north and west with Jonesboro being the only city growing in eastern Arkansas. Mechanization of farming and timber, automation of railroads, and the oil fields in south Arkansas mostly playing out has decimated East and south Arkansas. In 40 years Pine Bluff has gone from second largest city to 9th. In 1970 Jonesboro's rival was Blytheville with both having around 25,000. Today Blytheville has 9000 fewer residents and Jonesboro 40,000 more.

Great history, love it!

Would add that between the University and Wal Mart, the NW part of Arkansas is a very wealthy and high quality of life place to live, or so I have been told.
07-19-2017 10:55 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
dbackjon Online
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,009
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 657
I Root For: NAU/Illini
Location:
Post: #122
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
(07-19-2017 07:34 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 04:49 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 04:31 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 03:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  What is notable to me is Arkansas has less than half the population of Arizona, but more than triple the number of separate schools (counting each of the U of Ark 4-year schools)

Arkansas State - 13.5K Students, 130 miles from LR
Arkansas Tech - 11.3K Students. 90 miles from LR
Central Arkansas - 11.5K students, 32 miles from Little Rock
Henderson State - 3.5K Students, 90 miles from LR
Southern Arkansas 3.4K Students, 140 miles from LR
U of Arkansas - 25K Students, 190 miles from Little Rock
U of Arkansas - Ft. Smith - 7K students, 160 miles from Little Rock
U of Arkansas - Little Rock - 12.5K Students
U of Arkansas - Monticello - 4K Students, 90 miles from Little Rock
U of Arkansas - Pine Bluff - 2.6K Students, 44 Miles from Little Rock

65% of the population of Arizona is in the Phoenix metro which is home to 9 of the state's 10 largest cities. Tucson is the second largest city and only one of the 10 largest not in the Phoenix metro. Those two metro regions have roughly 80% of the population of Arizona and they are about 120 miles apart.

In Arkansas only 24% of the population is in the Little Rock metro, 16% in Fayetteville-Bentonville metro and they are 200 miles apart. 4% in Jonesboro metro which is 250 miles from Fayetteville and 130 from Little Rock.

Very different situations.

But you still have tiny schools - some located 45 min or less from other state schools. Phoenix metro has large population centers more distant from Tempe than that.


The fastest growing parts of Arizona is along the Colorado River.

Yuma, Bullhead City and Kingman have grown in population since the 1980s. With casinos being built on the Nevada side of the Colorado River opposite Bullhead City, and the Native Americans built a casino outside of Parker on the reservation draw employment where people will go to work at.

The only reason that Arizona outside of Phoenix, Tempe, Tucson and Flagstaff areas because of the desert where it is hard to established large cities like you do in Arkansas. The only population growth would be along the rivers.

No, the fastest increase in total population is not along the Colorado River. Percentage Growth is irrelevant, because if Phoenix adds 100,000 K people it is a small percentage, but if Mohave County adds 10K, it is a large percentage.

But even that is wrong - Mohave County only grew 1.6% from 2010-14, La Paz actually LOST population, while Yuma grew by 3.8%
Maricopa County grew by 7.1% in that time frame.

Growth is mainly among retirees - not a college demographic.

And Maricopa County is STILL the fastest growing county in the US.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loca.../99536596/
07-19-2017 11:45 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
dbackjon Online
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,009
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 657
I Root For: NAU/Illini
Location:
Post: #123
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
(07-18-2017 11:09 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 04:49 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 04:31 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 03:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  What is notable to me is Arkansas has less than half the population of Arizona, but more than triple the number of separate schools (counting each of the U of Ark 4-year schools)

Arkansas State - 13.5K Students, 130 miles from LR
Arkansas Tech - 11.3K Students. 90 miles from LR
Central Arkansas - 11.5K students, 32 miles from Little Rock
Henderson State - 3.5K Students, 90 miles from LR
Southern Arkansas 3.4K Students, 140 miles from LR
U of Arkansas - 25K Students, 190 miles from Little Rock
U of Arkansas - Ft. Smith - 7K students, 160 miles from Little Rock
U of Arkansas - Little Rock - 12.5K Students
U of Arkansas - Monticello - 4K Students, 90 miles from Little Rock
U of Arkansas - Pine Bluff - 2.6K Students, 44 Miles from Little Rock

65% of the population of Arizona is in the Phoenix metro which is home to 9 of the state's 10 largest cities. Tucson is the second largest city and only one of the 10 largest not in the Phoenix metro. Those two metro regions have roughly 80% of the population of Arizona and they are about 120 miles apart.

In Arkansas only 24% of the population is in the Little Rock metro, 16% in Fayetteville-Bentonville metro and they are 200 miles apart. 4% in Jonesboro metro which is 250 miles from Fayetteville and 130 from Little Rock.

Very different situations.

But you still have tiny schools - some located 45 min or less from other state schools. Phoenix metro has large population centers more distant from Tempe than that.

But Arizona had a different history and population distribution. The Civil War, Jim Crow, shifting economy all play factors. It's not like someone sat down on day and said scatter 10 bachelor degree granting schools about.

University of Arkansas started as a land grant by the Reconstruction government in remote and little populated Fayetteville as a reward for Union sympathies. What is now UAPB was started as a branch campus (later independent then folded back in after financial problems) for blacks to avoid integration in Pine Bluff, southeast of Little Rock where king cotton met the timber industry.

Then nearly 40 years what became UCA was established west of Little Rock as a teacher's college in 1908.

A year later the four agriculture schools that would become jucos then four year schools in the state, AState, Arkansas Tech, UA Monticello, and Southern Arkansas.

All stays quiet for 20 years until the Arkansas Methodists choose to close their college in Arkadelphia and merge it with Hendrix in Conway. The locals and alums want to save the school so the local politicians lobby to turn the school over to the state and the Methodists agree if the state will take it they will donate the buildings and land to the state so it becomes Henderson State and operates as a public liberal arts college in 1929.

The state won't add another four year public for 40 years.

In 1927 the Little Rock School District created a juco called Little Rock Junior College. During the desegregation crisis in 1957 the district spun the school off as a private college to avoid state orders to shut down the District. The new board made it a four year school called Little Rock University. As the 60's drew to a close it was broke and on the verge of closing and the legislature was persuaded to accept donation of the school and add it to the UA System in 1969.

The latest bachelor degree institution was UA Fort Smith in 1997. At the time Fort Smith was the largest city in America without a campus awarding a four year degree. The school started as a juco run by the local school district in 1928, was spun off as private school in 1950. In 1965 it became tax supported by a county-wide property tax. 1989 it offered a degree center in partnership with 5 colleges before being able to award its own bachelor degrees. When it merged into UA in 2001 it had to be approved by both boards, the state and because of the tax, the county voters.

From statehood until the 1970's the population of Arkansas was mostly in Little Rock and south and east of Little Rock. Since it has shifted with population in Little Rock and north and west with Jonesboro being the only city growing in eastern Arkansas. Mechanization of farming and timber, automation of railroads, and the oil fields in south Arkansas mostly playing out has decimated East and south Arkansas. In 40 years Pine Bluff has gone from second largest city to 9th. In 1970 Jonesboro's rival was Blytheville with both having around 25,000. Today Blytheville has 9000 fewer residents and Jonesboro 40,000 more.

Thanks for that - very informative.


But in 2017, are all those still necessary?
07-19-2017 11:50 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
MplsBison Offline
Banned

Posts: 16,648
Joined: Dec 2014
I Root For: NDSU/Minnesota
Location:
Post: #124
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
When you're done asking that about Arkansas, you can move one state south to Louisiana.

Population 4.6M, and off the top of my head has these public 4-year universities:

LSU
L Tech
UL Monroe
UL Lafayette
Grambling
Southern
UNO
NW St
SE St
McNeese
Nichols

and those are all DI !!
(This post was last modified: 07-19-2017 12:01 PM by MplsBison.)
07-19-2017 12:00 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
arkstfan Away
Sorry folks
*

Posts: 25,818
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 967
I Root For: Fresh Starts
Location:
Post: #125
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
(07-19-2017 10:55 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Great history, love it!

Would add that between the University and Wal Mart, the NW part of Arkansas is a very wealthy and high quality of life place to live, or so I have been told.

Bentonville-Fayetteville corridor is a good place to live, only downside is it is spread all over hell.
07-19-2017 02:06 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
MplsBison Offline
Banned

Posts: 16,648
Joined: Dec 2014
I Root For: NDSU/Minnesota
Location:
Post: #126
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
About ~30mi from Bentonville to Fayetteville? Don't know what traffic is like there, but that's not too bad .... about a half as wide as one side of Twin Cities metro to the other ...
07-19-2017 02:24 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
arkstfan Away
Sorry folks
*

Posts: 25,818
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 967
I Root For: Fresh Starts
Location:
Post: #127
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
(07-19-2017 11:50 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Thanks for that - very informative.


But in 2017, are all those still necessary?

Depends on what you want from your higher ed system.

Arkansas is really pushing greater availability. We converted our vocational technical schools into jucos. They still offer the same set of technical certifications while adding freshman and sophomore classes, some on their own and some via partnership with other colleges, most will offer distance education in at least some degree fields via other schools.

For example, Mountain Home, Arkansas is right at 120 miles from AState, UArk, and Central Arkansas and 110 from Missouri State. If you wanted a bachelor's degree you had to move two hours away. Now you can enroll at AState-Mountain Home and get an Associates from ASU-MH and get most bachelor's degrees AState offers and a diploma that is Arkansas State - Jonesboro and depending on the degree may never go to Jonesboro. You sit in a classroom that has the professor projected on the screen and voice activated microphone and camera setup permits you to ask questions and you are on the screen in the classroom in Jonesboro when you ask your question.

In a state with low numbers of degree holders, access has been given priority.

Lot of the power people in the state believe the long-term outcome will be a dual university system with every school having to make a decision, do they want to be in the UA System or AState System?

I will believe efficiency is coming when I freaking see it.

UALR offers a bachelor's degree in nursing. Less than two miles away, UA-Medical Sciences offers a bachelor's degree in nursing. Will be interesting to see what happens now that Pulaski Tech is in the UA system (joined July 1, they are 9 miles away, and their nursing program is a public/private partnership with Baptist Hospital, you do associates work on basics at PTC and nursing specific classes at Baptist Hospital's training facility).

If one university can't avoid obvious overlap two miles apart, hard to expect much improvement.
(This post was last modified: 07-19-2017 02:30 PM by arkstfan.)
07-19-2017 02:29 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
dbackjon Online
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,009
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 657
I Root For: NAU/Illini
Location:
Post: #128
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
(07-19-2017 02:29 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(07-19-2017 11:50 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Thanks for that - very informative.


But in 2017, are all those still necessary?

Depends on what you want from your higher ed system.

Arkansas is really pushing greater availability. We converted our vocational technical schools into jucos. They still offer the same set of technical certifications while adding freshman and sophomore classes, some on their own and some via partnership with other colleges, most will offer distance education in at least some degree fields via other schools.

For example, Mountain Home, Arkansas is right at 120 miles from AState, UArk, and Central Arkansas and 110 from Missouri State. If you wanted a bachelor's degree you had to move two hours away. Now you can enroll at AState-Mountain Home and get an Associates from ASU-MH and get most bachelor's degrees AState offers and a diploma that is Arkansas State - Jonesboro and depending on the degree may never go to Jonesboro. You sit in a classroom that has the professor projected on the screen and voice activated microphone and camera setup permits you to ask questions and you are on the screen in the classroom in Jonesboro when you ask your question.

In a state with low numbers of degree holders, access has been given priority.

Lot of the power people in the state believe the long-term outcome will be a dual university system with every school having to make a decision, do they want to be in the UA System or AState System?

I will believe efficiency is coming when I freaking see it.

UALR offers a bachelor's degree in nursing. Less than two miles away, UA-Medical Sciences offers a bachelor's degree in nursing. Will be interesting to see what happens now that Pulaski Tech is in the UA system (joined July 1, they are 9 miles away, and their nursing program is a public/private partnership with Baptist Hospital, you do associates work on basics at PTC and nursing specific classes at Baptist Hospital's training facility).

If one university can't avoid obvious overlap two miles apart, hard to expect much improvement.


Going to a two-tiered system would help - does UCA and Henderson State and SAU each have their own board?


Arizona has one Board of Regents for all three Universities. Works fairly well it is split:

3 members from Pima County (U of Arizona)
3 members from Maricopa County (ASU)
1 member from Coconino County (NAU)
1 member from other counties (which, given NAU's mission, usually is a NAU seat)
1 voting student member, serves one year, rotates among the three schools.

This balance keeps a good lid on duplications. For example, about 10 years ago U of Arizona wanted to start a Forestry Program. NAU already has a very good one. BOR voted that there wasn't enough demand for two programs in the state, so U of A was denied.
07-19-2017 02:44 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
arkstfan Away
Sorry folks
*

Posts: 25,818
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 967
I Root For: Fresh Starts
Location:
Post: #129
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
(07-19-2017 02:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-19-2017 02:29 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(07-19-2017 11:50 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Thanks for that - very informative.


But in 2017, are all those still necessary?

Depends on what you want from your higher ed system.

Arkansas is really pushing greater availability. We converted our vocational technical schools into jucos. They still offer the same set of technical certifications while adding freshman and sophomore classes, some on their own and some via partnership with other colleges, most will offer distance education in at least some degree fields via other schools.

For example, Mountain Home, Arkansas is right at 120 miles from AState, UArk, and Central Arkansas and 110 from Missouri State. If you wanted a bachelor's degree you had to move two hours away. Now you can enroll at AState-Mountain Home and get an Associates from ASU-MH and get most bachelor's degrees AState offers and a diploma that is Arkansas State - Jonesboro and depending on the degree may never go to Jonesboro. You sit in a classroom that has the professor projected on the screen and voice activated microphone and camera setup permits you to ask questions and you are on the screen in the classroom in Jonesboro when you ask your question.

In a state with low numbers of degree holders, access has been given priority.

Lot of the power people in the state believe the long-term outcome will be a dual university system with every school having to make a decision, do they want to be in the UA System or AState System?

I will believe efficiency is coming when I freaking see it.

UALR offers a bachelor's degree in nursing. Less than two miles away, UA-Medical Sciences offers a bachelor's degree in nursing. Will be interesting to see what happens now that Pulaski Tech is in the UA system (joined July 1, they are 9 miles away, and their nursing program is a public/private partnership with Baptist Hospital, you do associates work on basics at PTC and nursing specific classes at Baptist Hospital's training facility).

If one university can't avoid obvious overlap two miles apart, hard to expect much improvement.


Going to a two-tiered system would help - does UCA and Henderson State and SAU each have their own board?


Arizona has one Board of Regents for all three Universities. Works fairly well it is split:

3 members from Pima County (U of Arizona)
3 members from Maricopa County (ASU)
1 member from Coconino County (NAU)
1 member from other counties (which, given NAU's mission, usually is a NAU seat)
1 voting student member, serves one year, rotates among the three schools.

This balance keeps a good lid on duplications. For example, about 10 years ago U of Arizona wanted to start a Forestry Program. NAU already has a very good one. BOR voted that there wasn't enough demand for two programs in the state, so U of A was denied.

We have a Department of Higher Education that has a Board that is supposed to head off that stuff. The board is the presidents of the universities. 03-phew

Central Arkansas, Arkansas Tech, Southern Arkansas and Henderson State each have their own Board of Trustees in addition to boards for UA and AState.

There is considerable doubt over whether the Department of Higher Ed can actually prevent a school from offering a new program. Central Arkansas wanted to add a doctoral program (think it was physical therapy) and their board approved it. State blocked it. School ran to the courthouse and argued under Amendment 33 the state could not transfer any powers of a board (ie. their Board of Trustees) unless the institution is abolished or merged into another institution. Since UCA had not been merged or abolished the state couldn't abrogate the powers of the board of trustees. Circuit Court ruled in their favor and the Department of Higher Education withdrew their appeal before the Arkansas Supreme Court ruled.

The Amendment was adopted because Homer Adkins HATED J. William Fulbright who became president of the University of Arkansas at age 34 and when Adkins became governor two years later he fired Fulbright as president, even though the UA board was happy with Fulbright. So the constitution was amended to prevent that from happening again. Three years later Fulbright defeated him in a race for the US Senate. Karma is a *****. 04-cheers
07-19-2017 03:06 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
DavidSt Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 23,011
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 732
I Root For: ATU, P7
Location:
Post: #130
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
(07-19-2017 12:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  When you're done asking that about Arkansas, you can move one state south to Louisiana.

Population 4.6M, and off the top of my head has these public 4-year universities:

LSU
L Tech
UL Monroe
UL Lafayette
Grambling
Southern
UNO
NW St
SE St
McNeese
Nichols

and those are all DI !!

LSU-Alexandria NAIA
LSU-Shreveport NAIA
Southern U.-New Orleans NAIA

Those are 4 year publics in NAIA. That is 14. The rest are privates.
07-19-2017 08:52 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CitrusUCF Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,693
Joined: Jan 2008
Reputation: 314
I Root For: UCF/Tulsa
Location:
Post: #131
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
(07-19-2017 12:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  When you're done asking that about Arkansas, you can move one state south to Louisiana.

Population 4.6M, and off the top of my head has these public 4-year universities:

LSU
L Tech
UL Monroe
UL Lafayette
Grambling
Southern
UNO
NW St
SE St
McNeese
Nichols

and those are all DI !!

And they are running bad budget deficits in Louisiana higher education. They need to fold several of those into other institutions like Georgia has done.

LSU (LSU-Alexandria merged back in as just an extension campus)
Louisiana Tech (merged with LSU-Shreveport, Northwestern St., UL-Monroe)
ULouisiana (former UL-Lafayette) (merged with Nicholls St. and McNeese St.)
New Orleans (merged with SE Louisiana, Southern U-New Orleans)
Grambling (merged with Southern-Shreveport)
Southern

That gives you 3 major universities, a less-selective large university in your major city with a new mission of also serving the African American community, and two HBCUs.

You eliminate a great deal of spending on multiple administrations, athletics, etc. And the increased tuition going into one spot will enable the universities to offer more programs without duplication.
07-20-2017 12:34 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
MplsBison Offline
Banned

Posts: 16,648
Joined: Dec 2014
I Root For: NDSU/Minnesota
Location:
Post: #132
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
I kid you not -- McNeese alumni/fans will burn the campus to the ground before they allow it to merge with ULL. And calling the resulting system U of Louisiana is a bucket of mud in their eyes, to boot.
07-20-2017 12:38 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
DavidSt Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 23,011
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 732
I Root For: ATU, P7
Location:
Post: #133
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
(07-20-2017 12:34 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(07-19-2017 12:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  When you're done asking that about Arkansas, you can move one state south to Louisiana.

Population 4.6M, and off the top of my head has these public 4-year universities:

LSU
L Tech
UL Monroe
UL Lafayette
Grambling
Southern
UNO
NW St
SE St
McNeese
Nichols

and those are all DI !!

And they are running bad budget deficits in Louisiana higher education. They need to fold several of those into other institutions like Georgia has done.

LSU (LSU-Alexandria merged back in as just an extension campus)
Louisiana Tech (merged with LSU-Shreveport, Northwestern St., UL-Monroe)
ULouisiana (former UL-Lafayette) (merged with Nicholls St. and McNeese St.)
New Orleans (merged with SE Louisiana, Southern U-New Orleans)
Grambling (merged with Southern-Shreveport)
Southern

That gives you 3 major universities, a less-selective large university in your major city with a new mission of also serving the African American community, and two HBCUs.

You eliminate a great deal of spending on multiple administrations, athletics, etc. And the increased tuition going into one spot will enable the universities to offer more programs without duplication.


The plans were to keep McNeese State as is.
Grambling State they wanted to merged as part of La. Tech.
NW State, LA. would merge with LSU-Shreveport.

The main campus ideas would be this.
LSU
La. Tech
La.-Monroe
La.-Lafayette
McNeese State
NW State La.

The rest would be merged into those schools and eliminate all the HBCU publics. That was their plan a few years ago.
07-20-2017 12:43 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CitrusUCF Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,693
Joined: Jan 2008
Reputation: 314
I Root For: UCF/Tulsa
Location:
Post: #134
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
(07-20-2017 12:43 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(07-20-2017 12:34 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(07-19-2017 12:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  When you're done asking that about Arkansas, you can move one state south to Louisiana.

Population 4.6M, and off the top of my head has these public 4-year universities:

LSU
L Tech
UL Monroe
UL Lafayette
Grambling
Southern
UNO
NW St
SE St
McNeese
Nichols

and those are all DI !!

And they are running bad budget deficits in Louisiana higher education. They need to fold several of those into other institutions like Georgia has done.

LSU (LSU-Alexandria merged back in as just an extension campus)
Louisiana Tech (merged with LSU-Shreveport, Northwestern St., UL-Monroe)
ULouisiana (former UL-Lafayette) (merged with Nicholls St. and McNeese St.)
New Orleans (merged with SE Louisiana, Southern U-New Orleans)
Grambling (merged with Southern-Shreveport)
Southern

That gives you 3 major universities, a less-selective large university in your major city with a new mission of also serving the African American community, and two HBCUs.

You eliminate a great deal of spending on multiple administrations, athletics, etc. And the increased tuition going into one spot will enable the universities to offer more programs without duplication.


The plans were to keep McNeese State as is.
Grambling State they wanted to merged as part of La. Tech.
NW State, LA. would merge with LSU-Shreveport.

The main campus ideas would be this.
LSU
La. Tech
La.-Monroe
La.-Lafayette
McNeese State
NW State La.

The rest would be merged into those schools and eliminate all the HBCU publics. That was their plan a few years ago.

The HBCUs will never be eliminated because of civil rights laws on the issue. And honestly, for as poor as some of the HBCUs are, they offer a lot of opportunity to the black community.

And yeah, I can see that plan. McNeese and NW St are far enough geographically from other campuses that it would work alright.
07-20-2017 01:29 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
quo vadis Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 50,012
Joined: Aug 2008
Reputation: 2372
I Root For: USF/Georgetown
Location: New Orleans
Post: #135
RE: Arkansas Little Rock Football / Marching Band Study
(07-20-2017 12:34 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(07-19-2017 12:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  When you're done asking that about Arkansas, you can move one state south to Louisiana.

Population 4.6M, and off the top of my head has these public 4-year universities:

LSU
L Tech
UL Monroe
UL Lafayette
Grambling
Southern
UNO
NW St
SE St
McNeese
Nichols

and those are all DI !!

And they are running bad budget deficits in Louisiana higher education. They need to fold several of those into other institutions like Georgia has done.

LSU (LSU-Alexandria merged back in as just an extension campus)
Louisiana Tech (merged with LSU-Shreveport, Northwestern St., UL-Monroe)
ULouisiana (former UL-Lafayette) (merged with Nicholls St. and McNeese St.)
New Orleans (merged with SE Louisiana, Southern U-New Orleans)
Grambling (merged with Southern-Shreveport)
Southern

That gives you 3 major universities, a less-selective large university in your major city with a new mission of also serving the African American community, and two HBCUs.

You eliminate a great deal of spending on multiple administrations, athletics, etc. And the increased tuition going into one spot will enable the universities to offer more programs without duplication.

As someone who lives in Louisiana, I think I can help with some political realities that would impede your proposal:

(1) No way in hell will LSU ever allow any other school to be officially named the "University of Louisiana" without some kind of hyphen-modifier tacked on at the end. That would threaten their flagship status.

(2) Good luck trying to fold Grambling in to any other institution other than possibly a merger with Southern. Anything else would be poking a racial hornet's nest.

(3) It's important to know that Louisiana only has a "higher education budget deficit" in the context of the massive Jindal tax cuts of 2008. Since those tax cuts, basically every aspect of Louisiana government has been starved for funding. Before then, higher-ed funding, while never great, was more than adequate and the schools were doing fine.
(This post was last modified: 07-20-2017 02:30 PM by quo vadis.)
07-20-2017 02:27 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.