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RE: OT:Official Soccer Sucks Thread
(07-16-2017 10:36 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
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(07-16-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Soccer is the #1 sport in the world and I appreciate the endurance and skill of the players and marvel at fan's dedication, but I do not like it because it is boring and predictive. Scoring is rare (0-0 games are common) and when it occurs the game is substantially over when a team is up 2 goals.

That's the biggest misconception of the sport. Only about 8% of matches across all professional leagues in the world ended in 0-0 draws over the last 10 years according to a SkySports study from last summer. I guess I just find it ironic how the vast majority of people who think soccer is boring tend to be baseball fans. Also, far too many fans seem to forget that college football ended in ties until the late 90's, which for those who have a hard time with history is roughly a century of the sport. Carry on.

I stand corrected, thank you. However, a 0-0 score is still a particularly salient example of the futility of ties that occur in soccer that, like college football, should be fixed by soccer organizations.

Oh I completely agree, I think they should go to the hockey format. That has worked very well for them, and the sports are incredibly similar in many ways already.
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RE: OT:Official Soccer Sucks Thread
(07-16-2017 01:00 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 10:36 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 09:58 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Soccer is the #1 sport in the world and I appreciate the endurance and skill of the players and marvel at fan's dedication, but I do not like it because it is boring and predictive. Scoring is rare (0-0 games are common) and when it occurs the game is substantially over when a team is up 2 goals.

That's the biggest misconception of the sport. Only about 8% of matches across all professional leagues in the world ended in 0-0 draws over the last 10 years according to a SkySports study from last summer. I guess I just find it ironic how the vast majority of people who think soccer is boring tend to be baseball fans. Also, far too many fans seem to forget that college football ended in ties until the late 90's, which for those who have a hard time with history is roughly a century of the sport. Carry on.

I stand corrected, thank you. However, a 0-0 score is still a particularly salient example of the futility of ties that occur in soccer that, like college football, should be fixed by soccer organizations.

Oh I completely agree, I think they should go to the hockey format. That has worked very well for them, and the sports are incredibly similar in many ways already.

The Predators' run to the Stanley Cup turned me into a hockey fan. It is a fast paced and unpredictable sport with masterful and tough athletes. Who would have thought hockey would be the toast of a southern town and the capital of country music?
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RE: OT:Official Soccer Sucks Thread
(07-16-2017 01:14 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
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(07-16-2017 10:36 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 09:58 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Soccer is the #1 sport in the world and I appreciate the endurance and skill of the players and marvel at fan's dedication, but I do not like it because it is boring and predictive. Scoring is rare (0-0 games are common) and when it occurs the game is substantially over when a team is up 2 goals.

That's the biggest misconception of the sport. Only about 8% of matches across all professional leagues in the world ended in 0-0 draws over the last 10 years according to a SkySports study from last summer. I guess I just find it ironic how the vast majority of people who think soccer is boring tend to be baseball fans. Also, far too many fans seem to forget that college football ended in ties until the late 90's, which for those who have a hard time with history is roughly a century of the sport. Carry on.

I stand corrected, thank you. However, a 0-0 score is still a particularly salient example of the futility of ties that occur in soccer that, like college football, should be fixed by soccer organizations.

Oh I completely agree, I think they should go to the hockey format. That has worked very well for them, and the sports are incredibly similar in many ways already.

The Predators' run to the Stanley Cup turned me into a hockey fan. It is a fast paced and unpredictable sport with masterful and tough athletes. Who would have thought hockey would be the toast of a southern town and the capital of country music?

I'm a Michgander, so I've always been keen to hockey, but I was really excited to see a town like Nashville adopt the sport the way it has. Definitely something, much like soccer and lacross, that I think will start growing exponentially in the age of instantaneous everything. Football and baseball being especially long games with a ton of stoppages make them difficult to view in short bursts. Hockey, Lacross, and Soccer are done in two hours and don't have commercial breaks randomly interspersed in the action.
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RE: OT:Official Soccer Sucks Thread
(07-16-2017 10:36 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 09:58 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Soccer is the #1 sport in the world and I appreciate the endurance and skill of the players and marvel at fan's dedication, but I do not like it because it is boring and predictive. Scoring is rare (0-0 games are common) and when it occurs the game is substantially over when a team is up 2 goals.

That's the biggest misconception of the sport. Only about 8% of matches across all professional leagues in the world ended in 0-0 draws over the last 10 years according to a SkySports study from last summer. I guess I just find it ironic how the vast majority of people who think soccer is boring tend to be baseball fans. Also, far too many fans seem to forget that college football ended in ties until the late 90's, which for those who have a hard time with history is roughly a century of the sport. Carry on.

I stand corrected, thank you. However, a 0-0 score is still a particularly salient example of the futility of ties that occur in soccer that, like college football, should be fixed by soccer organizations.

Ultimately a Draw has become a gigantic part of the game, and has been for as long as its played. You'll never see it changed. At one point MLS tried to get rid of it when they first were created, but it hurt attendance.

I think the biggest mistake you see is the belief that ties hurt soccer. I think you'll find a large percentage of Soccer fans are fine with ties. There are situations in which a tie is not an acceptable result, and situations where it is a perfectly acceptable result.

Lets do keep in mind that overall only between 15-20 percent of games end in ties. Most Soccer Teams play at least 50 games a season, and they'll probably tie between 8-12 of those games. About half of those ties are going to be considered a "good result" by the fan base.

You guys have to understand that the idea of overtime and extra innings/whatever is really foreign to most non Americans. They think the idea that we have to have a winner, and teams could continue playing for hours, in theory, until it happened is absurd.
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RE: OT:Official Soccer Sucks Thread
I think that making soccer into a full-contact sport would greatly enhance the game.
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RE: OT:Official Soccer Sucks Thread
(07-16-2017 02:44 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 10:36 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 09:58 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Soccer is the #1 sport in the world and I appreciate the endurance and skill of the players and marvel at fan's dedication, but I do not like it because it is boring and predictive. Scoring is rare (0-0 games are common) and when it occurs the game is substantially over when a team is up 2 goals.

That's the biggest misconception of the sport. Only about 8% of matches across all professional leagues in the world ended in 0-0 draws over the last 10 years according to a SkySports study from last summer. I guess I just find it ironic how the vast majority of people who think soccer is boring tend to be baseball fans. Also, far too many fans seem to forget that college football ended in ties until the late 90's, which for those who have a hard time with history is roughly a century of the sport. Carry on.

I stand corrected, thank you. However, a 0-0 score is still a particularly salient example of the futility of ties that occur in soccer that, like college football, should be fixed by soccer organizations.

Ultimately a Draw has become a gigantic part of the game, and has been for as long as its played. You'll never see it changed. At one point MLS tried to get rid of it when they first were created, but it hurt attendance.

I think the biggest mistake you see is the belief that ties hurt soccer. I think you'll find a large percentage of Soccer fans are fine with ties. There are situations in which a tie is not an acceptable result, and situations where it is a perfectly acceptable result.

Lets do keep in mind that overall only between 15-20 percent of games end in ties. Most Soccer Teams play at least 50 games a season, and they'll probably tie between 8-12 of those games. About half of those ties are going to be considered a "good result" by the fan base.

You guys have to understand that the idea of overtime and extra innings/whatever is really foreign to most non Americans. They think the idea that we have to have a winner, and teams could continue playing for hours, in theory, until it happened is absurd.

I believe ties and scarce scoring hurt the game of soccer in America. I think it is the primary reason soccer as a spectator sport has not made more conversions despite the evangelical zeal - tinged with patronization - of soccer enthusiasts.

I readily admit I have no hard evidence backing my opinion, but there has to be reasons - whatever they are - keeping Americans from adopting soccer in greater numbers.
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RE: OT:Official Soccer Sucks Thread
if goals were worth more than 1 point, like 6 or 3, would that change your thoughts.?

final score of 18-12, 9-6...not much difference from American football
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Here's why there's an offsides rule in soccer. Without it, strikers would simply lounge in the area near the opponent's goal, as would defenders, and we'd see games that amount to little more than a defender getting the ball and booting it down the field to create what basically amounts to variations of 1 v. 1 scoring opportunities. There would be very little teamwork or flow to the game, and far less action in the middle of the field. The game would be very sterile and devoid of real movement.

The offsides rule adds sophistication and creativity to the game. Yes, it makes it more difficult to score, but goalkeepers and defenders are forced to work on their coordination, as are midfielders, wingers, and strikers. It makes the game more dynamic in the sense that it adds complexity to the game, forcing teams to carefully coordinate their use of spacing and time, and building your way up the field through passes, as opposed to just booting it up the field and hoping for the best in a 1 v 1 or 2 v 2. The offsides rule puts more value on teamwork, formations, and even specialized positions within the framework of a given formation.

For those who may be interested, here's an excerpt on the history of the rule...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offside_%2...29#History

The Two Most Common Criticisms of the Game

Flopping
Believe me, as a soccer fan, it annoys me also, and it actually does most fans of the sport. What's equally annoying though is that it's allowed to go on. There are rules in place against it, most notably within the keeper's box, but they're almost never enforced. It's like the signs we see in Texas everywhere that slower drivers are to keep to the right, but there are people all over the state who will move over for no one, and will ride for hours in the passing lane, forcing others to pass them on the right. That's because it's rarely enforced here. Soccer is the same with regard to flopping.

Flopping puts a black eye on the sport, and an easy way to deal with it is to actually start carding players for it. If a player recklessly challenges other, they're carded. Well if a player is found guilty of flopping they could be given a yellow card in that game as well. They wouldn't even need to card them for every instance. If they're carded just once per game for what's considered flops, and it happens again in the next game, they'd then have to miss the third game for accumulated yellows. When players know they could miss one of every 3 games if they're deemed by officials to be flopping, I guarantee you they'll stop doing it.

As it stands, players are supposed to be carded for flopping inside the keeper's box anyway, but they rarely are. FIFA's lazy Presidents have, over the years, allowed this crap to go on for too long, and that's why we're in the situation we're in right now.

Low Scoring
I love the game because of the action. Some equate excitement with scoring. Some equate excitement with action. Some need both to be entertained. After all, people are different, right? So there's nothing wrong with that.

To me, when I'm watching my teams play, the anticipation of a buildup offensively and its potential for scoring, or the looming threat of an opponent's buildup offensively and their potential for scoring, is where the excitement is built in. I liken it to the phrase, "It's not the destination, but the journey". A 1-1 game can actually be quite entertaining if there are enough buildups and enough scoring opportunities, but the respective defenses were just good enough in the back third to be able to stop them.

That said, the scoring is generally still low. The top scoring leagues in Europe are averaging just over 3 goals per game (so 2-1 might be a typical score). What I've wanted them to do for years is to make the mouth of the goal bigger. The standard professional goal, as regulated by FIFA, is 2.44 meters (8 feet) high, and 7.32 meters (24 feet) wide. Now, think of all the shots which hit the goal posts at either side, or the crossbar. If the goal were made one foot higher and three feet wider, thereby maintaining the 1:3 ratio between height and width, it would be 9 feet by 27 feet, and we'd see a jump in scoring. Purists would have a problem with that, and that's understandable. But at some point, the game has to change with the times. Balls have changed over the years, and there's no definitive standard for the size of the pitch either, just as there isn't in baseball. So considering that keepers today are taller and more agile than they were 40 or 50 years ago, it's an option I feel no one has considered, that probably should be.
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RE: OT:Official Soccer Sucks Thread
(07-16-2017 09:58 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Soccer is the #1 sport in the world and I appreciate the endurance and skill of the players and marvel at fan's dedication, but I do not like it because it is boring and predictive. Scoring is rare (0-0 games are common) and when it occurs the game is substantially over when a team is up 2 goals.

That's the biggest misconception of the sport. Only about 8% of matches across all professional leagues in the world ended in 0-0 draws over the last 10 years according to a SkySports study from last summer. I guess I just find it ironic how the vast majority of people who think soccer is boring tend to be baseball fans. Also, far too many fans seem to forget that college football ended in ties until the late 90's, which for those who have a hard time with history is roughly a century of the sport. Carry on.

A 1-0 or 1-1 isn't much better and combined with 0-0, it makes up a distortionate amount of results.

Ease offsides or eliminate. Punish anyone that tries to poach. Problem solved.
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RE: OT:Official Soccer Sucks Thread
(07-16-2017 03:04 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  I think that making soccer into a full-contact sport would greatly enhance the game.

Soccer is a full contact sport. Like many team sports, contact is not the point of the game, as it is with football. It's more like basketball in that sense. Baseball on the other hand is virtually a non contact sport, the exception being a play at the plate. But I would defy you to watch a live soccer game and not be impressed with the physicality and athleticism. As for ties, in a tournament setting ties are acceptable in the Group Stage, where a team is looking to advance to the next round and needs points. In the second, knockout round, there are no ties as it is single elimination.
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