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RE: Air Force Coach Troy Calhoun Floats G5 Playoff Idea
No matter what expansion happens, the power schools and CFP will say top 8 teams not conference champions. Thus ensuring they don't have to take a G5 champ and keeping the money. Just the reality of the situation.
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RE: Air Force Coach Troy Calhoun Floats G5 Playoff Idea
(07-15-2017 06:45 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:05 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  But "playoff creep" has never been a topic involving Group of Five teams. Air Force coach Troy Calhoun has an idea that would change that. In essence, he wants a four-team Group of Five playoff, the winner of which would then move on to an eight-team College Football Playoff featuring the five Power Five conference champs plus two wild card teams. The Colorado Springs Gazette explained Calhoun's theory ...

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...-overkill/

It would be a fun event...IF it didn't lead to any sort of situation, or a hypothetical possibility of a Boise run or Utah or TCU run of past dozen or so seasons allowing for those teams get into the current 4 team playoff. Non power teams who would likely have played in the 4 team playoff if it had existed:

2004 Utah team--12-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2008 Utah team--13-0 Sugar Bowl champs
2009 Boise team--14-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2010 TCU team--13-0 Rose Bowl champs
Those teams do don't belong in any 4 team G5 playoff, they belonged with the big boys in the Big Boy Playoff.

Couldn't disagree more. Only 2010 TCU team would have had any shot of beating top 4 team.

Then they would have lost. Lots of teams have fared poorly in the playoffs. The fact is, the G5's have pretty consistently done well in their bowl game vs teams they "had no chance" to beat. Let it play out on the field. If they are outclassed---they are outclassed. If the G5 wins---they advance.

That sounds nice in theory but it doesn't work.

We know these teams are outclassed. We don't need blowouts to prove it.



Your opinion pretty much dominates the selection committee (which is why I think no G5 will ever be selected for the CFP in the current system).

The reality is what you theoretically "know" and what has actually happened have been quite different when the games are really played out on the field. If the G5 champ is such a push over, then there will be a real incentive to finish first for a "bye week" against the G5. Take the push over and get ready for your next opponent. BTW---it seems to be the G5's have a winning record vs the P5 in NYD games.....so, its not really a one time thing. I think Hawaii was really the only blow out that comes to mind....
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RE: Air Force Coach Troy Calhoun Floats G5 Playoff Idea
The AAC will never agree to be apart on this nonsense
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RE: Air Force Coach Troy Calhoun Floats G5 Playoff Idea
Too many games. This proposal would give the P5 an opportunity to take back the CFP money and G5 teams would lose their most lucrative bowls. I don't see the networks ponying up $160 million for a G5 playoff.
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Too many games to be played especially for the G5 conferences under this plan. 04-cheers
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RE: Air Force Coach Troy Calhoun Floats G5 Playoff Idea
(07-15-2017 05:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  But "playoff creep" has never been a topic involving Group of Five teams. Air Force coach Troy Calhoun has an idea that would change that. In essence, he wants a four-team Group of Five playoff, the winner of which would then move on to an eight-team College Football Playoff featuring the five Power Five conference champs plus two wild card teams. The Colorado Springs Gazette explained Calhoun's theory ...

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...-overkill/

It would be a fun event...IF it didn't lead to any sort of situation, or a hypothetical possibility of a Boise run or Utah or TCU run of past dozen or so seasons allowing for those teams get into the current 4 team playoff. Non power teams who would likely have played in the 4 team playoff if it had existed:

2004 Utah team--12-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2008 Utah team--13-0 Sugar Bowl champs
2009 Boise team--14-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2010 TCU team--13-0 Rose Bowl champs
Those teams do don't belong in any 4 team G5 playoff, they belonged with the big boys in the Big Boy Playoff.

Two of those three programs just ended up being poached by a true power conference, which therein lies the biggest obstacle to a guaranteed spot for a G5 program under the CFP. If a team is truly on the level of competing against the Alabamas, the Florida States, the Clemsons, the Ohio States, etc., then they (the power conferences and networks) won't reward them (the G5) with a playoff spot - they will just poach that program for a power conference to ensure their division and separation.

I have a hard time seeing the G5 getting a guaranteed CFP spot long-term. That won't stop the push from the G5, however, and nor should it. They should be doing everything they can to try and get in before the next wave hits in a couple of years. After that, the separation may be final.

Long-term, the G5 playoff - I believe - actually has merit. If you are officially locked out of the Division 1/FBS playoff against the power conferences, why not hold your own postseason within your division and attempt to get a little extra money? There may not be a great alternative to that.
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(07-15-2017 05:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Just take the top G5 Champ like they do now for the access to a playoff.

NO NEED to have a separate G5 Playoff and get 1 or 2 games of getting beat up before playing in the 8 team playoff.

I don't see an 8-team G5 scenario working with an 8-team CFB playoff system. Too many games. Potentially, 6 games for the G5 winner who makes a Cinderella run?!?! I mean, it's improbable but that's possible with that set up.

I've been a big G5 playoff proponent (and vilified on this board by my G5 friends), but if they want to give the G5 an auto-bid to the Big Dance (8-team), then they need to have a G5 semi-final and final only. And they need to drop the G5 conference championship games too.

Does anyone know how much money is at stake for the G5 CCGs? Is it worth it for them to drop 5 meaningless CCGs to add 3 playoff games (which would then tie into the Big Dance elite 8) that would also crown a "champion" of the whole G5?
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RE: Air Force Coach Troy Calhoun Floats G5 Playoff Idea
(07-16-2017 09:59 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  But "playoff creep" has never been a topic involving Group of Five teams. Air Force coach Troy Calhoun has an idea that would change that. In essence, he wants a four-team Group of Five playoff, the winner of which would then move on to an eight-team College Football Playoff featuring the five Power Five conference champs plus two wild card teams. The Colorado Springs Gazette explained Calhoun's theory ...

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...-overkill/

It would be a fun event...IF it didn't lead to any sort of situation, or a hypothetical possibility of a Boise run or Utah or TCU run of past dozen or so seasons allowing for those teams get into the current 4 team playoff. Non power teams who would likely have played in the 4 team playoff if it had existed:

2004 Utah team--12-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2008 Utah team--13-0 Sugar Bowl champs
2009 Boise team--14-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2010 TCU team--13-0 Rose Bowl champs
Those teams do don't belong in any 4 team G5 playoff, they belonged with the big boys in the Big Boy Playoff.

Two of those three programs just ended up being poached by a true power conference, which therein lies the biggest obstacle to a guaranteed spot for a G5 program under the CFP. If a team is truly on the level of competing against the Alabamas, the Florida States, the Clemsons, the Ohio States, etc., then they (the power conferences and networks) won't reward them (the G5) with a playoff spot - they will just poach that program for a power conference to ensure their division and separation.

I have a hard time seeing the G5 getting a guaranteed CFP spot long-term. That won't stop the push from the G5, however, and nor should it. They should be doing everything they can to try and get in before the next wave hits in a couple of years. After that, the separation may be final.

Long-term, the G5 playoff - I believe - actually has merit. If you are officially locked out of the Division 1/FBS playoff against the power conferences, why not hold your own postseason within your division and attempt to get a little extra money? There may not be a great alternative to that.

As long as the G5 and P5 theoretically are chasing the same national championship trophy---a G5 championship has no merit and likely is of no significant monetary value. If they had significant value, those G5 playoff games could be held today as bowl games. But to date, no network has offered the cash necessary to make G5 champ vs G5 champ a "thing". It's unlikely the MW or AAC would be interested in a G5 champ vs G5 champ bowl game without some major financial incentive.

Where the G5 could improve thier post season is by investing a potion of thier CFP playoff money in developing a series of high paying bowls with payoffs high enough to attract high selections from the P5. These bowls would serve as post season destinations for G5 champs not on the access bowls.
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(07-15-2017 05:11 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The P5 has not intention of expanding the playoff in order to provide G5 guaranteed access

(07-15-2017 05:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Just take the top G5 Champ like they do now for the access to a playoff.

Sorry, but like vandiver said, I absolutely believe that the G5 will never get a guaranteed spot in the playoff, in our lifetimes. I think they'll have every opportunity to force the committee's hand, if a G5 team had such an incredible season that they could not refuse them. But I think that's about as good as you're ever going to get, with that much money and TV ratings on the line.


(07-16-2017 09:59 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Two of those three programs just ended up being poached by a true power conference, which therein lies the biggest obstacle to a guaranteed spot for a G5 program under the CFP. If a team is truly on the level of competing against the Alabamas, the Florida States, the Clemsons, the Ohio States, etc., then they (the power conferences and networks) won't reward them (the G5) with a playoff spot - they will just poach that program for a power conference to ensure their division and separation.

Except for Houston! You can thank the Big 8 schools for screwing that up, last year.

Same would go for USF, if it wins the AAC and beats a P5 in the Access Bowl. No room at the inn for a school like that ....
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Air Force Coach Troy Calhoun Floats G5 Playoff Idea
(07-16-2017 08:52 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  Too many games. This proposal would give the P5 an opportunity to take back the CFP money and G5 teams would lose their most lucrative bowls. I don't see the networks ponying up $160 million for a G5 playoff.

And this is the real conundrum. Games could be reduced by eliminating CCG and body bag games. But there isn't a way to compensate the P5 for the loss of revenue.
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