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RE: Bathroom Bills - Finally an example of a problem.
Maybe it's hard to change a birth cert because body mutilation doesn't change what you are, as your birth certificate correctly states.
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(07-16-2017 02:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  In North Carolina, HB2 actually MANDATES that some men use the women's restroom. It does that in Texas too. You see, if you cannot get your birth certificate changed AFTER transition, neither Texas, nor Mississippi, nor North Carolina recognize that. So what that means is that a fully operational male, with male genitalia, is required by law to use the WOMENS room. Where some loon will probably kill them (and be let off with no jail by a homophobic/transphobic jury).

These bills don't keep MEN out of womens restrooms. They actually MANDATE it.

And that's all you need to know about how much the GOP's anti-Trans/Gay bills will do to protect people.

my daughter is 18 now....it would've been knock-out fonzies when she was a tyke...

there's no way I would've flinched....straight to the crotch to the weirdos....
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RE: Bathroom Bills - Finally an example of a problem.
(07-16-2017 11:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 07:02 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 09:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If straight male cisgendered Christians can't keep it in their pants, how about punishing them?

Seems like I read a news story every week about some guy getting caught convicted in an abuse case. Most receive very severe punishments.

And then your side elects to punish Trans kids and LGBT employees for those crimes, even though they did nothing.

First, what is "my side"? Damn man, you really know how to screw things up. Apparently you can't understand that some of us may be on your side when it comes to work place discrimination and general rights.

But you insist on elevating everything to the extreme. Your whole "they're doing this to humiliate trans kids" is nothing but hysterical hyperbole. Or in other words, it's BS. And it drives away those of us who pretty much want to take the "you live your life but don't expect me to celebrate it" approach. I realize from your posts that you won't accept that level of support, since it is not unconditional and lacks the acceptance component. So be it.

You'll forever see yourself as a martyr.
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(07-16-2017 04:31 PM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 11:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 07:02 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 09:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If straight male cisgendered Christians can't keep it in their pants, how about punishing them?

Seems like I read a news story every week about some guy getting caught convicted in an abuse case. Most receive very severe punishments.

And then your side elects to punish Trans kids and LGBT employees for those crimes, even though they did nothing.

First, what is "my side"? Damn man, you really know how to screw things up. Apparently you can't understand that some of us may be on your side when it comes to work place discrimination and general rights.

But you insist on elevating everything to the extreme. Your whole "their doing this to humiliate trans kids" is nothing but hysterical hyperbole. Or in other words, it's BS. And it drives away those of us who pretty much want to take the "you live your life but don't expect me to celebrate it" approach. I realize from your posts that you won't accept that level of support, since it is not unconditional and lacks the acceptance component. So be it.

You'll forever see yourself as a martyr.

you'll end up tossing in the towel too...........he's a miserable person that doesn't understand his own psyche.....

none of that is a macro issue....
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(07-15-2017 06:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 03:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 03:14 PM)miko33 Wrote:  This has nothing to do with your bathroom deals. It's a sick degenerate preying on young girls by using his position of authority. Of course no law can provide 100% protection. When has anyone stated that human nature can be thwarted by any laws let alone bathroom laws.

These anti-Trans bills won't stop any crimes from happening. Because we don't commit those crimes.

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RE: Bathroom Bills - Finally an example of a problem.
(07-16-2017 04:00 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  In North Carolina, HB2 actually MANDATES that some men use the women's restroom. It does that in Texas too. You see, if you cannot get your birth certificate changed AFTER transition, neither Texas, nor Mississippi, nor North Carolina recognize that. So what that means is that a fully operational male, with male genitalia, is required by law to use the WOMENS room. Where some loon will probably kill them (and be let off with no jail by a homophobic/transphobic jury).

These bills don't keep MEN out of womens restrooms. They actually MANDATE it.

And that's all you need to know about how much the GOP's anti-Trans/Gay bills will do to protect people.

my daughter is 18 now....it would've been knock-out fonzies when she was a tyke...

there's no way I would've flinched....straight to the crotch to the weirdos....

Exactly, you want to beat up a Trans person simply complying with Mississippi's current law, which mandates that a post op F to M with a ***** use the ladies room?

What should be the penalty for you doing that? No worries, even if you killed him, a Mississippi jury would probably give you a medal.

And that's the other problem with these bills. They expose Transpersons to extreme violence.

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If you beat up a man in the ladies room, who is legally required to use that restroom, then what should be your criminal penalty? Should you get jail?

Should they get arrested and hauled down to jail while people sort it out? Simply for the crime of being Trans in Mississippi?

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BTW, Mississippi's law is really, really hateful. They do recognize gender changes in some cases, but then say that gender reassignment is not valid for using the restroom consistent with the gender they present. So you have a MAN, with a *****, and a Drivers License saying Male, legally required by Mississippi law to use the LADIES room.

The treat of humiliation is a given. The threat of false arrest is a given. The threat of violence is real. The concept of protection for those complying with the law and conviction at the appropriate level (which should entail severe and long prison sentences and it should be murder 1 for killing someone) for those assaulting or killing those complying with the law is ..... pretty much non-existant.
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(07-16-2017 02:31 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe it's hard to change a birth cert because body mutilation doesn't change what you are, as your birth certificate correctly states.

If I choose to castrate myself and cut my dick off...It does not change my DNA. Im am still male.
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(07-17-2017 11:27 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:31 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe it's hard to change a birth cert because body mutilation doesn't change what you are, as your birth certificate correctly states.

If I choose to castrate myself and cut my dick off...It does not change my DNA. Im am still male.

OK. so where should a F to M Transman use the restroom? Under the GOP plan, its the LADIES room.

Where do you think he should use the restroom?

And if he is complying with the law, what should be the penalty for those that humiliate, assault, and murder them for doing so?

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You simply cannot credibly claim that these bills aren't hateful towards LGBT persons and defend these laws. You're certainly welcome to try.
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RE: Bathroom Bills - Finally an example of a problem.
(07-17-2017 11:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 11:27 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:31 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe it's hard to change a birth cert because body mutilation doesn't change what you are, as your birth certificate correctly states.

If I choose to castrate myself and cut my dick off...It does not change my DNA. Im am still male.

OK. so where should a F to M Transman use the restroom? Under the GOP plan, its the LADIES room.

Where do you think he should use the restroom?

And if he is complying with the law, what should be the penalty for those that humiliate, assault, and murder them for doing so?

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You simply cannot credibly claim that these bills aren't hateful towards LGBT persons and defend these laws. You're certainly welcome to try.

First of all it's not a "he". They all need to use the restroom at home.
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(07-17-2017 11:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 11:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 11:27 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 02:31 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe it's hard to change a birth cert because body mutilation doesn't change what you are, as your birth certificate correctly states.

If I choose to castrate myself and cut my dick off...It does not change my DNA. Im am still male.

OK. so where should a F to M Transman use the restroom? Under the GOP plan, its the LADIES room.

Where do you think he should use the restroom?

And if he is complying with the law, what should be the penalty for those that humiliate, assault, and murder them for doing so?

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You simply cannot credibly claim that these bills aren't hateful towards LGBT persons and defend these laws. You're certainly welcome to try.

First of all it's not a "he". They all need to use the restroom at home.

Which is EXACTLY the point of the GOP laws. To prevent Trans people from engaging in commerce, going to school, having a job.

Thank you for proving my point that these bills are hateful towards Trans people.
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