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RE: Bathroom Bills - Finally an example of a problem.
(07-15-2017 10:47 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Tom, simple question, and I ask for an honest answer from you.

You have voiced your support for a lifestyle, and believe strongly that this lifestyle is "appropriate". I have voiced my moral objections to this lifestyle, not ever asking nor demanding the arm of the law to take any action to minimize the rights of you or those that believe with you. As we both share First Amendment rights, why does your side demand my acceptance of your behavior that I find disagreeable when my side asks nothing more than to not be forced to participate in events or ceremonies demonstrating acceptance of your behavior that I find objectionable? Particularly when such challenges destroy private businesses. Why does your side insist that your rights trump mine? I'd respectfully request an honest answer

An "honest" answer?

Good luck!
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RE: Bathroom Bills - Finally an example of a problem.
(07-15-2017 04:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 04:04 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 03:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 03:57 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 03:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its your side's argument guys. That these crimes happen because Trans kids aren't insulted in schools and hounded from any participation in public life.

how many times do I have to remind you my first roomie was gay???

it's your problemo.....not mine amigo....

LOL. "I can't be a homophobe or transphobe....I've got (or had) one Gay friend".

you do love some wiffle ball....none of us really care until it gets tossed like salad in ze face......we'll just leave it there....if you're too dense to figure that one out, again, I can't help ya.....

Actually, the party you support cares plenty about abusing Gay people. And you think 'throwing it in our face' is simply demanding full equality. Because you think that you get to decide for us what is enough of fourth or fifth class treatment.

In order to be friends with someone, you have to see them as an equal. You don't see Gay people as equals. That's clear.

What "party" is that exactly?

I'll bet, and know, the friends I've had were about 40/60 on the political stuffs. They, too, wanted a good economy. protection from those that would wish them ill, and an equal shot at getting ahead or doing their thing, whatever it is.

Now. Who offers us that?!? The conformist left? Brighten up!
07-16-2017 01:28 AM
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RE: Bathroom Bills - Finally an example of a problem.
(07-15-2017 06:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:32 PM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The obvious answer is that these bathroom bills don't do anything but humiliate and insult Trans people, and encourage Gay people to be fired from their jobs.

I'm reminded of a situation that happened years ago in NYC. I think during the Mayor Giuliani years. A series of self-serve toilet kiosks were installed in and around Manhattan. The problem was that they were not accessible to anyone in a wheel chair. A spokesperson for the handicapped went on one of the talk shows and insisted that Giuliani had done this purely to humiliate the disabled. This wasn't about providing bathrooms for people in need but was just meant to make the disabled feel less human.

Since I can't get into the minds of the people that wrote the bills, I can't know their motivations. But somehow, I don't see humiliation as a likely motivation.

This is different. The self serve toilets weren't put there for the specific purpose of humiliating people. It was an oversight. The GOP bills are for the precise purpose of humiliating Trans people and especially Trans kids. They did also add into these bills the endorsement of firing Gay people from their jobs.

You don't have to get into their minds. Dan Patrick? Please. You don't need to have Dionne Warwick's psychic friends to figure out his motivation and the motivation of all who support him.

Apparently your ability to discern people's motivations is better than mine because I can not imagine, in any way, that humiliating kids could be the basis of legislation. You could use a number of other arguments that I might agree with, but this one just reeks of hyperbole.
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(07-15-2017 09:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If straight male cisgendered Christians can't keep it in their pants, how about punishing them?

Seems like I read a news story every week about some guy getting caught convicted in an abuse case. Most receive very severe punishments.
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I have no idea how what this pervert did relates to a bathroom bill. The stretch made here here would span space and time.
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He's arguing that straight males are a danger in girls restrooms but men with known psychological problems aren't and should be free to roam with the children behind closed doors and you're a hate filled bigot if you disagree.
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(07-15-2017 10:47 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Tom, simple question, and I ask for an honest answer from you.

You have voiced your support for a lifestyle, and believe strongly that this lifestyle is "appropriate". I have voiced my moral objections to this lifestyle, not ever asking nor demanding the arm of the law to take any action to minimize the rights of you or those that believe with you. As we both share First Amendment rights, why does your side demand my acceptance of your behavior that I find disagreeable when my side asks nothing more than to not be forced to participate in events or ceremonies demonstrating acceptance of your behavior that I find objectionable? Particularly when such challenges destroy private businesses. Why does your side insist that your rights trump mine? I'd respectfully request an honest answer

When LGBT persons enjoy the same protections as Christians, then you can ask me that question. It is illegal to deny public accommodations, housing, employment, or a multitude of other benefits because they are a Christian. It is LEGAL to discriminate against LGBT persons in most of the country.

My rights should EQUAL yours.
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(07-16-2017 07:02 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 09:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If straight male cisgendered Christians can't keep it in their pants, how about punishing them?

Seems like I read a news story every week about some guy getting caught convicted in an abuse case. Most receive very severe punishments.

And then your side elects to punish Trans kids and LGBT employees for those crimes, even though they did nothing.
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(07-16-2017 01:16 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 10:47 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Tom, simple question, and I ask for an honest answer from you.

You have voiced your support for a lifestyle, and believe strongly that this lifestyle is "appropriate". I have voiced my moral objections to this lifestyle, not ever asking nor demanding the arm of the law to take any action to minimize the rights of you or those that believe with you. As we both share First Amendment rights, why does your side demand my acceptance of your behavior that I find disagreeable when my side asks nothing more than to not be forced to participate in events or ceremonies demonstrating acceptance of your behavior that I find objectionable? Particularly when such challenges destroy private businesses. Why does your side insist that your rights trump mine? I'd respectfully request an honest answer

An "honest" answer?

Good luck!

LOL. Care to opine on the topic? I didn't think so.
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(07-16-2017 10:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 10:47 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Tom, simple question, and I ask for an honest answer from you.

You have voiced your support for a lifestyle, and believe strongly that this lifestyle is "appropriate". I have voiced my moral objections to this lifestyle, not ever asking nor demanding the arm of the law to take any action to minimize the rights of you or those that believe with you. As we both share First Amendment rights, why does your side demand my acceptance of your behavior that I find disagreeable when my side asks nothing more than to not be forced to participate in events or ceremonies demonstrating acceptance of your behavior that I find objectionable? Particularly when such challenges destroy private businesses. Why does your side insist that your rights trump mine? I'd respectfully request an honest answer

When LGBT persons enjoy the same protections as Christians, then you can ask me that question. It is illegal to deny public accommodations, housing, employment, or a multitude of other benefits because they are a Christian. It is LEGAL to discriminate against LGBT persons in most of the country.

My rights should EQUAL yours.

I must have missed that. When did Christians become a "protected group" under the law?
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