(07-16-2017 11:05 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 10:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 10:47 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Tom, simple question, and I ask for an honest answer from you.

You have voiced your support for a lifestyle, and believe strongly that this lifestyle is "appropriate". I have voiced my moral objections to this lifestyle, not ever asking nor demanding the arm of the law to take any action to minimize the rights of you or those that believe with you. As we both share First Amendment rights, why does your side demand my acceptance of your behavior that I find disagreeable when my side asks nothing more than to not be forced to participate in events or ceremonies demonstrating acceptance of your behavior that I find objectionable? Particularly when such challenges destroy private businesses. Why does your side insist that your rights trump mine? I'd respectfully request an honest answer

When LGBT persons enjoy the same protections as Christians, then you can ask me that question. It is illegal to deny public accommodations, housing, employment, or a multitude of other benefits because they are a Christian. It is LEGAL to discriminate against LGBT persons in most of the country.

My rights should EQUAL yours.

I must have missed that. When did Christians become a "protected group" under the law?

Federal Law prohibits discrimination in public accommodations, housing, employment and a multitude of other areas on the basis of RELIGION. If you feel that you've been discriminated against because you are Christian, you have a legal mechanism to sue, and even can go to the EEOC.

The more you know.

Gays cannot sue because the discrimination is LEGAL.

(07-16-2017 09:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  He's arguing that straight males are a danger in girls restrooms but men with known psychological problems aren't and should be free to roam with the children behind closed doors and you're a hate filled bigot if you disagree.

I'm going to state clearly what this issue is really about for Tom, my fellow Houstonian. Tom, I'm not concerned about transgendered people who have either fully transitioned or have transitioned enough to the point they actually look like the gender they identify with. They're not the reason why I'm opposed to Bathroom Bills. I'm opposed to it because of those individuals who will take advantage of them to do harm to women, children, and actual transgendered people when all they'd have to say is "I'm transgendered" when there's no evidence up to that point that they had any plan to transition, and they may never plan to. In other words, rapists, pedophiles, child molesters, and other sexual molesters are MY targets, not actual transgendered people.

Look past the sensationalism the "mainstream" media has brought to this issue, Tom. I know you can do it.

(07-16-2017 11:11 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 09:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  He's arguing that straight males are a danger in girls restrooms but men with known psychological problems aren't and should be free to roam with the children behind closed doors and you're a hate filled bigot if you disagree.

I'm going to state clearly what this issue is really about for Tom, my fellow Houstonian. Tom, I'm not concerned about transgendered people who have either fully transitioned or have transitioned enough to the point they actually look like the gender they identify with. They're not the reason why I'm opposed to Bathroom Bills. I'm opposed to it because of those individuals who will take advantage of them to do harm to women, children, and actual transgendered people when all they'd have to say is "I'm transgendered" when there's no evidence up to that point that they had any plan to transition, and they may never plan to. In other words, rapists, pedophiles, child molesters, and other sexual molesters are MY targets, not actual transgendered people.

Look past the sensationalism the "mainstream" media has brought to this issue, Tom. I know you can do it.

You might not be 'concerned' with the Trans people, but your advocacy has significant and direct impacts on their ability to function in society.

There's no evidence that any person in the USA has avoided prosecution by saying "I'm trans". There's also no evidence that a Trans person has ever committed any crime whatsoever in a restroom either. RESTROOM ACCESS BILLS DO NOT PROVIDE ANY PROTECTION FOR THOSE WHO COMMIT CRIMES IN RESTROOMS. Period.

I'm sure that a doctors note requirement would be okay to the Trans persons for public school restroom access.

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These bathroom bills don't protect anyone. All it does is prevent those that need to use the restroom from doing so.

Exactly how would Dan Patrick's bathroom bill do anything to protect a perv from peeping on little girls.

BTW, just as an aside....the GOP supports Donald Trump who admitted to spying on girls/women in changing rooms on national radio.

Anyone one can use a bathroom at anytime. And the doors are clearly labeled for those confused about which one to use.

Hint: the one labeled girls... not for men. Even if they put on a dress.

(07-16-2017 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 11:11 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 09:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  He's arguing that straight males are a danger in girls restrooms but men with known psychological problems aren't and should be free to roam with the children behind closed doors and you're a hate filled bigot if you disagree.

I'm going to state clearly what this issue is really about for Tom, my fellow Houstonian. Tom, I'm not concerned about transgendered people who have either fully transitioned or have transitioned enough to the point they actually look like the gender they identify with. They're not the reason why I'm opposed to Bathroom Bills. I'm opposed to it because of those individuals who will take advantage of them to do harm to women, children, and actual transgendered people when all they'd have to say is "I'm transgendered" when there's no evidence up to that point that they had any plan to transition, and they may never plan to. In other words, rapists, pedophiles, child molesters, and other sexual molesters are MY targets, not actual transgendered people.

Look past the sensationalism the "mainstream" media has brought to this issue, Tom. I know you can do it.

You might not be 'concerned' with the Trans people, but your advocacy has significant and direct impacts on their ability to function in society.

Please explain. I would love to know how my advocacy of the Texas Bathroom Bill will have any impact on a transgendered person's ability to function.

There's no evidence that any person in the USA has avoided prosecution by saying "I'm trans". There's also no evidence that a Trans person has ever committed any crime whatsoever in a restroom either. RESTROOM ACCESS BILLS DO NOT PROVIDE ANY PROTECTION FOR THOSE WHO COMMIT CRIMES IN RESTROOMS. Period.

No, not yet. Also, no, they haven't because I'm sure those who are truly transgendered wouldn't commit a crime in the bathroom.

I'm sure that a doctors note requirement would be okay to the Trans persons for public school restroom access.

In fairness, I had to bring a doctor's note whenever I missed school. I also had to have a note for when I had to miss work because of my dad's death. Of course, I didn't mention a doctor's note being needed. I have no idea how in the world you got "doctor's note" from what I said. Please don't put words in my mouth again.
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These bathroom bills don't protect anyone. All it does is prevent those that need to use the restroom from doing so.

You don't know that because we haven't had bills or laws enacted long enough to say one way or another. It's pure speculation.

Exactly how would Dan Patrick's bathroom bill do anything to protect a perv from peeping on little girls.

If I said magic, would it appease you? No? Well, crap. I don't know. The average citizen being attentive and alerting the police when they see someone who shouldn't be in the ladies' restroom entering said restroom, maybe?

BTW, just as an aside....the GOP supports Donald Trump who admitted to spying on girls/women in changing rooms on national radio.

Well, good news, Sparky! I didn't vote for Trump. (Seriously. I'm a Libertarian. A right-leaning Libertarian, but a Libertarian nonetheless. I'm not a member of the Republican Party. Haven't been since Romney ran in '12.)

My responses to your points are in italics. Please enjoy. Or pull your hair out. Whichever you feel apt to do, mi amigo.

Thanks for stopping by.

(07-16-2017 11:08 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 11:05 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 10:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 10:47 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Tom, simple question, and I ask for an honest answer from you.

You have voiced your support for a lifestyle, and believe strongly that this lifestyle is "appropriate". I have voiced my moral objections to this lifestyle, not ever asking nor demanding the arm of the law to take any action to minimize the rights of you or those that believe with you. As we both share First Amendment rights, why does your side demand my acceptance of your behavior that I find disagreeable when my side asks nothing more than to not be forced to participate in events or ceremonies demonstrating acceptance of your behavior that I find objectionable? Particularly when such challenges destroy private businesses. Why does your side insist that your rights trump mine? I'd respectfully request an honest answer

When LGBT persons enjoy the same protections as Christians, then you can ask me that question. It is illegal to deny public accommodations, housing, employment, or a multitude of other benefits because they are a Christian. It is LEGAL to discriminate against LGBT persons in most of the country.

My rights should EQUAL yours.

I must have missed that. When did Christians become a "protected group" under the law?

Federal Law prohibits discrimination in public accommodations, housing, employment and a multitude of other areas on the basis of RELIGION. If you feel that you've been discriminated against because you are Christian, you have a legal mechanism to sue, and even can go to the EEOC.

The more you know.

Gays cannot sue because the discrimination is LEGAL.

And yet people can and do get fired without warning for expressing their Christian beliefs, whether on Facebook or in the workplace. Especially if those views are not politically correct.

(07-16-2017 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 11:11 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 09:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  He's arguing that straight males are a danger in girls restrooms but men with known psychological problems aren't and should be free to roam with the children behind closed doors and you're a hate filled bigot if you disagree.

I'm going to state clearly what this issue is really about for Tom, my fellow Houstonian. Tom, I'm not concerned about transgendered people who have either fully transitioned or have transitioned enough to the point they actually look like the gender they identify with. They're not the reason why I'm opposed to Bathroom Bills. I'm opposed to it because of those individuals who will take advantage of them to do harm to women, children, and actual transgendered people when all they'd have to say is "I'm transgendered" when there's no evidence up to that point that they had any plan to transition, and they may never plan to. In other words, rapists, pedophiles, child molesters, and other sexual molesters are MY targets, not actual transgendered people.

Look past the sensationalism the "mainstream" media has brought to this issue, Tom. I know you can do it.

You might not be 'concerned' with the Trans people, but your advocacy has significant and direct impacts on their ability to function in society.

There's no evidence that any person in the USA has avoided prosecution by saying "I'm trans". There's also no evidence that a Trans person has ever committed any crime whatsoever in a restroom either. RESTROOM ACCESS BILLS DO NOT PROVIDE ANY PROTECTION FOR THOSE WHO COMMIT CRIMES IN RESTROOMS. Period.

I'm sure that a doctors note requirement would be okay to the Trans persons for public school restroom access.

----

These bathroom bills don't protect anyone. All it does is prevent those that need to use the restroom from doing so.

Exactly how would Dan Patrick's bathroom bill do anything to protect a perv from peeping on little girls.

BTW, just as an aside....the GOP supports Donald Trump who admitted to spying on girls/women in changing rooms on national radio.

They make it illegal. That's like saying crimes against murder do nothing to protect people from being murdered. The bills the gays want give a green light to predators, just like Obama's immigration executive actions gave a green light to illegal immigrants and people wanting to send children illegally.

(07-16-2017 12:05 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 11:11 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 09:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  He's arguing that straight males are a danger in girls restrooms but men with known psychological problems aren't and should be free to roam with the children behind closed doors and you're a hate filled bigot if you disagree.

I'm going to state clearly what this issue is really about for Tom, my fellow Houstonian. Tom, I'm not concerned about transgendered people who have either fully transitioned or have transitioned enough to the point they actually look like the gender they identify with. They're not the reason why I'm opposed to Bathroom Bills. I'm opposed to it because of those individuals who will take advantage of them to do harm to women, children, and actual transgendered people when all they'd have to say is "I'm transgendered" when there's no evidence up to that point that they had any plan to transition, and they may never plan to. In other words, rapists, pedophiles, child molesters, and other sexual molesters are MY targets, not actual transgendered people.

Look past the sensationalism the "mainstream" media has brought to this issue, Tom. I know you can do it.

You might not be 'concerned' with the Trans people, but your advocacy has significant and direct impacts on their ability to function in society.

Please explain. I would love to know how my advocacy of the Texas Bathroom Bill will have any impact on a transgendered person's ability to function.

There's no evidence that any person in the USA has avoided prosecution by saying "I'm trans". There's also no evidence that a Trans person has ever committed any crime whatsoever in a restroom either. RESTROOM ACCESS BILLS DO NOT PROVIDE ANY PROTECTION FOR THOSE WHO COMMIT CRIMES IN RESTROOMS. Period.

No, not yet. Also, no, they haven't because I'm sure those who are truly transgendered wouldn't commit a crime in the bathroom.

I'm sure that a doctors note requirement would be okay to the Trans persons for public school restroom access.

In fairness, I had to bring a doctor's note whenever I missed school. I also had to have a note for when I had to miss work because of my dad's death. Of course, I didn't mention a doctor's note being needed. I have no idea how in the world you got "doctor's note" from what I said. Please don't put words in my mouth again.
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These bathroom bills don't protect anyone. All it does is prevent those that need to use the restroom from doing so.

You don't know that because we haven't had bills or laws enacted long enough to say one way or another. It's pure speculation.

Exactly how would Dan Patrick's bathroom bill do anything to protect a perv from peeping on little girls.

If I said magic, would it appease you? No? Well, crap. I don't know. The average citizen being attentive and alerting the police when they see someone who shouldn't be in the ladies' restroom entering said restroom, maybe?

BTW, just as an aside....the GOP supports Donald Trump who admitted to spying on girls/women in changing rooms on national radio.

Well, good news, Sparky! I didn't vote for Trump. (Seriously. I'm a Libertarian. A right-leaning Libertarian, but a Libertarian nonetheless. I'm not a member of the Republican Party. Haven't been since Romney ran in '12.)

My responses to your points are in italics. Please enjoy. Or pull your hair out. Whichever you feel apt to do, mi amigo.

Thanks for stopping by.

The various Texas bathroom bills expose Trans kids to ridicule and hate by their peers, and do not mandate that any restroom be provided by business owners. If you cannot be sure that you'll be able to use the restroom at work or while participating in commerce, you are less likely to do either.

Trans persons have been protected in some municipalities for decades. There's never been a case of a problem in the USA.

Again, how does Dan Patrick's bill stop, slow, or even prevent pervs? It doesn't. All it does is insult Trans people. And why do these bills mandate that municipalities that protect Gay people from employment discrimination have their laws invalidated so that they can be fired for simply being Gay? These bills are simply "I hate GLBT people" bills. Full stop.

If a straight cisgendered man wants to put on a dress and perv out in a restroom, that is illegal everywhere, even in places with restroom access for Trans persons. Patrick's bill does nothing to make that more difficult for them to do so, and only serves the purpose of insulting, humiliating, and discriminating against LGBT persons.

(07-16-2017 12:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 11:11 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 09:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  He's arguing that straight males are a danger in girls restrooms but men with known psychological problems aren't and should be free to roam with the children behind closed doors and you're a hate filled bigot if you disagree.

I'm going to state clearly what this issue is really about for Tom, my fellow Houstonian. Tom, I'm not concerned about transgendered people who have either fully transitioned or have transitioned enough to the point they actually look like the gender they identify with. They're not the reason why I'm opposed to Bathroom Bills. I'm opposed to it because of those individuals who will take advantage of them to do harm to women, children, and actual transgendered people when all they'd have to say is "I'm transgendered" when there's no evidence up to that point that they had any plan to transition, and they may never plan to. In other words, rapists, pedophiles, child molesters, and other sexual molesters are MY targets, not actual transgendered people.

Look past the sensationalism the "mainstream" media has brought to this issue, Tom. I know you can do it.

You might not be 'concerned' with the Trans people, but your advocacy has significant and direct impacts on their ability to function in society.

There's no evidence that any person in the USA has avoided prosecution by saying "I'm trans". There's also no evidence that a Trans person has ever committed any crime whatsoever in a restroom either. RESTROOM ACCESS BILLS DO NOT PROVIDE ANY PROTECTION FOR THOSE WHO COMMIT CRIMES IN RESTROOMS. Period.

I'm sure that a doctors note requirement would be okay to the Trans persons for public school restroom access.

----

These bathroom bills don't protect anyone. All it does is prevent those that need to use the restroom from doing so.

Exactly how would Dan Patrick's bathroom bill do anything to protect a perv from peeping on little girls.

BTW, just as an aside....the GOP supports Donald Trump who admitted to spying on girls/women in changing rooms on national radio.

They make it illegal. That's like saying crimes against murder do nothing to protect people from being murdered. The bills the gays want give a green light to predators, just like Obama's immigration executive actions gave a green light to illegal immigrants and people wanting to send children illegally.

These bills do NOTHING to stop a straight cisgendered man from putting on a wig and perving out in a ladies room. Nothing. Illegal before, illegal after. All these bills do is greenlight wholesale discrimination of LGBT persons. Which is their point. In Houston, the net impact of HERO repeal is a lawsuit to remove equal pay for the married partners of city employees. That is what this is about. Pure hate.

In NC, HB2 was primarily concerned with greenlighting employment discrimination against LGBT persons.

In North Carolina, HB2 actually MANDATES that some men use the women's restroom. It does that in Texas too. You see, if you cannot get your birth certificate changed AFTER transition, neither Texas, nor Mississippi, nor North Carolina recognize that. So what that means is that a fully operational male, with male genitalia, is required by law to use the WOMENS room. Where some loon will probably kill them (and be let off with no jail by a homophobic/transphobic jury).

These bills don't keep MEN out of womens restrooms. They actually MANDATE it.

And that's all you need to know about how much the GOP's anti-Trans/Gay bills will do to protect people.

Maybe it's hard to change a birth cert because body mutilation doesn't change what you are, as your birth certificate correctly states.

(07-16-2017 02:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  In North Carolina, HB2 actually MANDATES that some men use the women's restroom. It does that in Texas too. You see, if you cannot get your birth certificate changed AFTER transition, neither Texas, nor Mississippi, nor North Carolina recognize that. So what that means is that a fully operational male, with male genitalia, is required by law to use the WOMENS room. Where some loon will probably kill them (and be let off with no jail by a homophobic/transphobic jury).

These bills don't keep MEN out of womens restrooms. They actually MANDATE it.

And that's all you need to know about how much the GOP's anti-Trans/Gay bills will do to protect people.

my daughter is 18 now....it would've been knock-out fonzies when she was a tyke...

there's no way I would've flinched....straight to the crotch to the weirdos....

(07-16-2017 11:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 07:02 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 09:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If straight male cisgendered Christians can't keep it in their pants, how about punishing them?

Seems like I read a news story every week about some guy getting caught convicted in an abuse case. Most receive very severe punishments.

And then your side elects to punish Trans kids and LGBT employees for those crimes, even though they did nothing.

First, what is "my side"? Damn man, you really know how to screw things up. Apparently you can't understand that some of us may be on your side when it comes to work place discrimination and general rights.

But you insist on elevating everything to the extreme. Your whole "they're doing this to humiliate trans kids" is nothing but hysterical hyperbole. Or in other words, it's BS. And it drives away those of us who pretty much want to take the "you live your life but don't expect me to celebrate it" approach. I realize from your posts that you won't accept that level of support, since it is not unconditional and lacks the acceptance component. So be it.

You'll forever see yourself as a martyr.

(07-16-2017 04:31 PM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 11:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 07:02 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 09:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If straight male cisgendered Christians can't keep it in their pants, how about punishing them?

Seems like I read a news story every week about some guy getting caught convicted in an abuse case. Most receive very severe punishments.

And then your side elects to punish Trans kids and LGBT employees for those crimes, even though they did nothing.

First, what is "my side"? Damn man, you really know how to screw things up. Apparently you can't understand that some of us may be on your side when it comes to work place discrimination and general rights.

But you insist on elevating everything to the extreme. Your whole "their doing this to humiliate trans kids" is nothing but hysterical hyperbole. Or in other words, it's BS. And it drives away those of us who pretty much want to take the "you live your life but don't expect me to celebrate it" approach. I realize from your posts that you won't accept that level of support, since it is not unconditional and lacks the acceptance component. So be it.

You'll forever see yourself as a martyr.

you'll end up tossing in the towel too...........he's a miserable person that doesn't understand his own psyche.....

none of that is a macro issue....

(07-15-2017 06:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 03:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 03:14 PM)miko33 Wrote:  This has nothing to do with your bathroom deals. It's a sick degenerate preying on young girls by using his position of authority. Of course no law can provide 100% protection. When has anyone stated that human nature can be thwarted by any laws let alone bathroom laws.

These anti-Trans bills won't stop any crimes from happening. Because we don't commit those crimes.

LOL.

You are a tranny? What's your real name, Tonya?

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(07-16-2017 04:00 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 02:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  In North Carolina, HB2 actually MANDATES that some men use the women's restroom. It does that in Texas too. You see, if you cannot get your birth certificate changed AFTER transition, neither Texas, nor Mississippi, nor North Carolina recognize that. So what that means is that a fully operational male, with male genitalia, is required by law to use the WOMENS room. Where some loon will probably kill them (and be let off with no jail by a homophobic/transphobic jury).

These bills don't keep MEN out of womens restrooms. They actually MANDATE it.

And that's all you need to know about how much the GOP's anti-Trans/Gay bills will do to protect people.

my daughter is 18 now....it would've been knock-out fonzies when she was a tyke...

there's no way I would've flinched....straight to the crotch to the weirdos....

Exactly, you want to beat up a Trans person simply complying with Mississippi's current law, which mandates that a post op F to M with a ***** use the ladies room?

What should be the penalty for you doing that? No worries, even if you killed him, a Mississippi jury would probably give you a medal.

And that's the other problem with these bills. They expose Transpersons to extreme violence.

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If you beat up a man in the ladies room, who is legally required to use that restroom, then what should be your criminal penalty? Should you get jail?

Should they get arrested and hauled down to jail while people sort it out? Simply for the crime of being Trans in Mississippi?

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BTW, Mississippi's law is really, really hateful. They do recognize gender changes in some cases, but then say that gender reassignment is not valid for using the restroom consistent with the gender they present. So you have a MAN, with a *****, and a Drivers License saying Male, legally required by Mississippi law to use the LADIES room.

The treat of humiliation is a given. The threat of false arrest is a given. The threat of violence is real. The concept of protection for those complying with the law and conviction at the appropriate level (which should entail severe and long prison sentences and it should be murder 1 for killing someone) for those assaulting or killing those complying with the law is ..... pretty much non-existant.

(07-16-2017 02:31 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe it's hard to change a birth cert because body mutilation doesn't change what you are, as your birth certificate correctly states.

If I choose to castrate myself and cut my dick off...It does not change my DNA. Im am still male.

(07-17-2017 11:27 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 02:31 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe it's hard to change a birth cert because body mutilation doesn't change what you are, as your birth certificate correctly states.

If I choose to castrate myself and cut my dick off...It does not change my DNA. Im am still male.

OK. so where should a F to M Transman use the restroom? Under the GOP plan, its the LADIES room.

Where do you think he should use the restroom?

And if he is complying with the law, what should be the penalty for those that humiliate, assault, and murder them for doing so?

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You simply cannot credibly claim that these bills aren't hateful towards LGBT persons and defend these laws. You're certainly welcome to try.

(07-17-2017 11:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:27 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 02:31 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe it's hard to change a birth cert because body mutilation doesn't change what you are, as your birth certificate correctly states.

If I choose to castrate myself and cut my dick off...It does not change my DNA. Im am still male.

OK. so where should a F to M Transman use the restroom? Under the GOP plan, its the LADIES room.

Where do you think he should use the restroom?

And if he is complying with the law, what should be the penalty for those that humiliate, assault, and murder them for doing so?

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You simply cannot credibly claim that these bills aren't hateful towards LGBT persons and defend these laws. You're certainly welcome to try.

First of all it's not a "he". They all need to use the restroom at home.

(07-17-2017 11:49 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-17-2017 11:27 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 02:31 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe it's hard to change a birth cert because body mutilation doesn't change what you are, as your birth certificate correctly states.

If I choose to castrate myself and cut my dick off...It does not change my DNA. Im am still male.

OK. so where should a F to M Transman use the restroom? Under the GOP plan, its the LADIES room.

Where do you think he should use the restroom?

And if he is complying with the law, what should be the penalty for those that humiliate, assault, and murder them for doing so?

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You simply cannot credibly claim that these bills aren't hateful towards LGBT persons and defend these laws. You're certainly welcome to try.

First of all it's not a "he". They all need to use the restroom at home.

Which is EXACTLY the point of the GOP laws. To prevent Trans people from engaging in commerce, going to school, having a job.

Thank you for proving my point that these bills are hateful towards Trans people.