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(07-14-2017 07:17 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Apparently a group that has won 7 SCOTUS decisions in the last 7 years is now a "hate group" because the SPLC says so. This is precisely why Trump won, and why the people despise the media.

Shame on you, ABC.

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Quote:A prominent Christian legal group is demanding ABC News retract a story that labeled them a “hate group,” calling the article “journalistic malpractice.”

The Alliance Defending Freedom, a non-profit legal organization that specializes in First Amendment cases, is a respected legal organization that recently represented Trinity Lutheran Church before the Supreme Court — winning a 7-2 victory just last month.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/13/media-...ium=Social

They advocate for the legality of throwing all Gay people into jailcamps for the 'crime' of being LGBT. They work with the World Congress of Families at the UN. Yea, they qualify.
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What should be the limit for criminal penalties for being Gay? Execution? 50 years of torture in jail? Where does the ADF draw the line? I don't see any line drawn.
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(07-15-2017 10:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 07:17 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Apparently a group that has won 7 SCOTUS decisions in the last 7 years is now a "hate group" because the SPLC says so. This is precisely why Trump won, and why the people despise the media.

Shame on you, ABC.

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Quote:A prominent Christian legal group is demanding ABC News retract a story that labeled them a “hate group,” calling the article “journalistic malpractice.”

The Alliance Defending Freedom, a non-profit legal organization that specializes in First Amendment cases, is a respected legal organization that recently represented Trinity Lutheran Church before the Supreme Court — winning a 7-2 victory just last month.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/13/media-...ium=Social

They advocate for the legality of throwing all Gay people into jailcamps for the 'crime' of being LGBT. They work with the World Congress of Families at the UN. Yea, they qualify.

Source?
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(07-15-2017 10:28 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 10:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 07:17 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Apparently a group that has won 7 SCOTUS decisions in the last 7 years is now a "hate group" because the SPLC says so. This is precisely why Trump won, and why the people despise the media.

Shame on you, ABC.

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Quote:A prominent Christian legal group is demanding ABC News retract a story that labeled them a “hate group,” calling the article “journalistic malpractice.”

The Alliance Defending Freedom, a non-profit legal organization that specializes in First Amendment cases, is a respected legal organization that recently represented Trinity Lutheran Church before the Supreme Court — winning a 7-2 victory just last month.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/13/media-...ium=Social

They advocate for the legality of throwing all Gay people into jailcamps for the 'crime' of being LGBT. They work with the World Congress of Families at the UN. Yea, they qualify.

Source?

How many do you want?

How about the ADF cheering an INdian Ruling criminalizing being LGBT and has been used to throw hundreds of Indians into Prison.

"When given the same choice the Supreme Court of the United States had in Lawrence vs. Texas, the Indian Court did the right thing. India chose to protect society at large rather than give in to a vocal minority of homosexual advocates. … America needs to take note that a country of 1.2 billion people has rejected the road towards same-sex marriage, and understood that these kinds of bad decisions in the long run will harm society."

—Benjamin Bull, executive director of ADF Global, on the recriminalization of homosexuality in India, 2013

“The issue under rational-basis review is not whether Texas should be concerned about opposite-sex sodomy, but whether it is reasonable to believe that same-sex sodomy is a distinct public health problem. It clearly is.”

—ADF attorney Glen Lavy, counsel of record, amicus brief, Lawrence v. Texas, 2003

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Let me know if you'd like to read their amicus briefs.

They have extensive links to Russia, where at least 27 LGBT men have been executed this year in Southern Russia's Gay Concentration Camp. The detentions have restarted btw. I suppose Trump gave the green light for it.
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By the way, the ADF has a bunch of lawyers working for them. They are welcome to sue ABC and the SPLC for libel.

But they won't, because they'll lose.

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But of course, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, a man who clearly hates LGBT persons would meet with them. His career.

1) Advocated for the denial of any and all free speech by Alabama LGBT college students on their own public college campuses
2) Tried to use Bowers to deny basic constitutional rights to LGBT Alabamians
3) Openly and consistently advocated for the illegality of being LGBT, including criminal penalties.

I'm from Mobile. I've never heard anyone defend Sessions at any point against charges that he's a homophobe. No one will even attempt to try to do it. Even people who probably voted for him. He's been either a prosecutor, a State Attorney General, a Senator, or an US AG with jurisdiction over us for 30+ years. We know him, and what he is.
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(07-15-2017 10:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 10:28 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 10:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They advocate for the legality of throwing all Gay people into jailcamps for the 'crime' of being LGBT. They work with the World Congress of Families at the UN. Yea, they qualify.

Source?

How many do you want?

How about the ADF cheering an INdian Ruling criminalizing being LGBT and has been used to throw hundreds of Indians into Prison.

"When given the same choice the Supreme Court of the United States had in Lawrence vs. Texas, the Indian Court did the right thing. India chose to protect society at large rather than give in to a vocal minority of homosexual advocates. … America needs to take note that a country of 1.2 billion people has rejected the road towards same-sex marriage, and understood that these kinds of bad decisions in the long run will harm society."

—Benjamin Bull, executive director of ADF Global, on the recriminalization of homosexuality in India, 2013

“The issue under rational-basis review is not whether Texas should be concerned about opposite-sex sodomy, but whether it is reasonable to believe that same-sex sodomy is a distinct public health problem. It clearly is.”

—ADF attorney Glen Lavy, counsel of record, amicus brief, Lawrence v. Texas, 2003

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Let me know if you'd like to read their amicus briefs.

They have extensive links to Russia, where at least 27 LGBT men have been executed this year in Southern Russia's Gay Concentration Camp. The detentions have restarted btw. I suppose Trump gave the green light for it.

You post a typical inflammatory statement about a Christian based group supporting jail camps for homosexuals. I'm calling you out to give me a source or quote that matches your ridiculous statement. You give examples of their supposed positions but make the leap across the Grand Canyon that they advocate for jail camps.
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Is Tommy still crying about homos? I have him on ignore, quoting him doesn't help.
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(07-15-2017 11:12 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 10:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 10:28 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 10:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They advocate for the legality of throwing all Gay people into jailcamps for the 'crime' of being LGBT. They work with the World Congress of Families at the UN. Yea, they qualify.

Source?

How many do you want?

How about the ADF cheering an INdian Ruling criminalizing being LGBT and has been used to throw hundreds of Indians into Prison.

"When given the same choice the Supreme Court of the United States had in Lawrence vs. Texas, the Indian Court did the right thing. India chose to protect society at large rather than give in to a vocal minority of homosexual advocates. … America needs to take note that a country of 1.2 billion people has rejected the road towards same-sex marriage, and understood that these kinds of bad decisions in the long run will harm society."

—Benjamin Bull, executive director of ADF Global, on the recriminalization of homosexuality in India, 2013

“The issue under rational-basis review is not whether Texas should be concerned about opposite-sex sodomy, but whether it is reasonable to believe that same-sex sodomy is a distinct public health problem. It clearly is.”

—ADF attorney Glen Lavy, counsel of record, amicus brief, Lawrence v. Texas, 2003

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Let me know if you'd like to read their amicus briefs.

They have extensive links to Russia, where at least 27 LGBT men have been executed this year in Southern Russia's Gay Concentration Camp. The detentions have restarted btw. I suppose Trump gave the green light for it.

You post a typical inflammatory statement about a Christian based group supporting jail camps for homosexuals. I'm calling you out to give me a source or quote that matches your ridiculous statement. You give examples of their supposed positions but make the leap across the Grand Canyon that they advocate for jail camps.

No, actually, the quote by the leader of the ADF, appears to be a full throated endorsement of the criminalization of being Gay. That means jail. And it has meant jail.

In the Lawrence v Texas case, the case did involve around a CRIMINAL arrest for the crime of non-commercial, consensual sex between unrelated adults in the privacy of their own bedroom. And yet the ADF wanted that to remain illegal. Laws like it were used to enhance penalties for LGBT persons as well. 2 years for crime x if straight, 20 if LGBT.

Beyond that, the ADF or its leaders, appear to pal around with the World Congress of Families as they seek to defend jail for LGBT persons around the world, the denial of even basic human rights for LGBT persons, and even palling around with Putin's genocidally anti-LGBT regime in Russia.

By the way, they have lawyers. Lots of lawyers. They can sue ABC or even me if they'd like to have a court decide whether calling the ADF a 'hate group' is libelous. They won't because they'd lose and the only impact of a lawsuit would be to highlight their advocacy. As well as so much discovery that might expose their activities to further scrutiny.

These aren't supposed positions, but direct quotes. Again, why not go to the website and look up their amicus briefs. You asked for sources, I provided sources. Its up to you to either accept them, ignore them, or discredit them.

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At best the ADF appears to work directly to defend the legality of throwing all Gay people into jail for the 'crime' of being Gay.

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So no, it isn't fake news to describe the ADF as a 'hate group', unless you think that jailing people for the 'crime' of existing isn't hateful
It isn't libelous either to call them a 'hate group' either

And unless you wish to define "religious liberty" as the right to throw people who don't follow your religious dictates into prison for the 'crime' of not allowing them to tell you what kind of sex you can have, I'd challenge the title calling them a "religious liberty org".
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Straight from the horse's mouth (web site):

Quote:Who We Are
We've Defended Your Freedom Since 1994


The morning Alliance Defending Freedom was launched, Dr. Bill Bright told a story about a little boy who was lost in a wheat field. The townspeople frantically searched for the boy, but they couldn’t find him. Finally, one of the searchers suggested that they all hold hands and walk together across the field. They found the boy, but sadly, not in time to save his life. One of the searchers lamented, "If we had only linked arms sooner..."

Dr. Bright compared the town’s story to the Christian community.

The gathered Christian leaders—more than 30 founders of ADF—recognized that Christians, like the town, needed to unite in order to defend religious freedom before it was too late.

And so, Alliance Defending Freedom was launched on January 31, 1994 to ensure that religious freedom did not share the same fate as the boy in the field.

Building an Alliance for Victory

With that launch, the Christian community gained growing awareness that the threats to its freedom were multiplying. The legal system, which was built on a moral and Christian foundation, had been steadily moving against religious freedom, the sanctity of life, and marriage and family. And very few Christians were showing up in court to put up a fight.

By funding cases, training attorneys, and successfully advocating for freedom in court, Alliance Defending Freedom changed that.

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Transforming Law & Culture

It is not enough to just win cases; we must change the culture, and the strategy of Alliance Defending Freedom ensures lasting victory.

What is Alliance Defending Freedom?
Alliance Defending Freedom is an alliance-building legal organization that advocates for the right of people to freely live out their faith.

Why were you formed?
For decades, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and its allies used the courts to drive out public expressions of faith and to radically change America into something the Founding Fathers never intended.

Despite outstanding efforts by many Christians, our Founders saw that there was limited unity and no common strategy. There was also no organized method to recruit and train attorneys to defend our God-given constitutionally protected rights in modern legal challenges. And inadequate funding allowed much territory to be lost by default.

What does Alliance Defending Freedom do?

Alliance Defending Freedom advocates for the right of people to freely live out their faith. As an alliance-building legal organization, we unite attorneys, ministry leaders, pastors, and like-minded organizations in a common purpose, a shared commitment to defending religious liberty, the sanctity of life, and marriage and family.

What is your mission statement?
To keep the doors open for the Gospel by advocating for religious liberty, the sanctity of life, and marriage and family.
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(07-15-2017 03:57 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 12:21 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 11:10 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  johnnyzero, you are so utterly clueless and hypocritical that you don't even realize how much this also applies to you and others on the left with the "17 intelligence agencies" lie and other baseless Manchurian candidate conspiracy theories. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you tried to spin it as "4/17 is the same as 17/17" and never even addressed that the spokesmen and spokeswomen of those agencies were proven liars who produced zero evidence to support their claims, even though you continue to criticize conservative's sources on here for prior lies or distortions.

(07-14-2017 07:29 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the entire left-wing media pushed a false story that was disproven by a basic google search. there was never any evidence to support it, but they were dealing with a story detrimental to the liberal cause so something needed to be done to give liberals the moral high ground on said story. so a completely BS story was presented as factual and believed by conservatives simply because the liberals needed it to be true.

59% of Democrats believe Russia tampered with vote totals

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cum...Report.pdf

what are you talking about? who are the dems that have advocated the notion that Russia directly hacked the election vote results? in the months after the election that was never stated by a notable dem nor did a major media source ever make that claim. the only time such a notion was ever brought up in the MSM was when REPUBLICANS said it. They figured they could discredit the libs if they (falsely) accused the libs of claiming it was about hacking vote totals because that is a ridiculous notion that is clearly false.

it wasn't even until June that anything even closely resembling the possibility of impacting votes directly was brought up in the russian scandal. and that was over reports of russia might have tried to hack/remove voters from the voter rolls. but that postdates all the time from after the election to last month when this story was covered on an almost daily basis and your own poll.

speaking of which your poll is pretty crap. The only places it has been published are reddit, twitter, some no-name websites, and dailycaller. not fox news let alone abc, cbs, etc. why? because it's not newsworthy at all nor is it being taken seriously.

I guess you fell for the republicans BS hook, line, and sinker.

^^Another great example. You don't like the poll results because it makes Dems look like idiots, so it's crap. I guess The Economist and YouGov are part of the giant Russian conspiracy in your mind. So you think the mainstream outlets would focus on a poll that highlights how their ridiculous coverage has caused people to believe something that isn't real? Just Google "Russia election hacking" and see the results. Time, NYT, and CNN were the first three media outlets that showed up, using "election hacking" or a similar phrase. The NYT even has an entire section dedicated to it. I'm sure you'll just try to discredit the source like you always do, but here is a good article on media manipulation.

https://extranewsfeed.com/poll-mass-medi...cd0e7e9d17

more like I see a glaring red flag when your poll results are only be taken seriously by dailycaller and some no name website. I see that same line of questioning also showing republicans polling far higher than dems on anti-vaxers, shows an even higher percentage of republicans believe millions of illegals voted in the election* than the 59%** of dems who believe in hacked election vote totals. not to mention your argument falls to **** when you see how many cons believe in pizzagate. seriously: a republican trying to claim the dems are more vulnerable to conspiracy theories is like starting a landwar with Russia in winter.

*there are multiple spin room conservatives who believe this very conspiracy theory so you can't deny it's popularity.

**from what I can tell that poll asks the same question at multiple intervals since the election with the results being far lower than that 59% figure. It appears Daily Caller was selective and took the highest result which is prime example #1 of why I am not taking this seriously.

prime example #2 is that republicans believe conspiracy theories and push that towards actual policy. is there not a major voting commission whose existence republicans support that is based entirely on a debunked conspiracy theory that illegals are responsible for trump losing the PV? did we not see a pizzashop get shot up over pizzagate and had controversy in the cabinet confirmation process when the son of a nominee tweeted out pizzagate?

any notion of the dems promote this conspiracy theory as policy is unfounded. as I said the only time I have ever seen it brought up has been by a REPUBLICAN which is ironic as I would love to see you explain why you were the only to mention it rather than myself, tom, red, or mach.

and I have the basic news literacy to understand that "russian election hacking" does not automatically mean hacked vote totals in a headline. you read a headline and come up with a completely different conclusion.

and non of this refutes my original point. The OP calls CNN/ABC "fake news" while promoting debunked news stories and you don't have a response to that. you have nothing but a sidetrack because it is such a killer point that you and kronke wouldn't be working so hard to not address it. so let's go back to the very point I made in the OP that you never addressed (because you can't).

how can someone who got burned twice in one week by false right-wing media stories argue in good faith or good conscience that CNN/ABC is fake news?
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