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It's terrible what has happened to the GOP. It's a mental disease at this point. The ends justify the means. Claw invents scenarios in his head to excuse lies and possibly treason.
07-15-2017 08:34 AM
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Seems they have gone full retard.
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(07-14-2017 08:41 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  To believe the witch hunt narrative.

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Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/44...rd-believe

I'll go ahead and debunk that article. They make the mistake of assuming "you have to believe X, to believe Y." That's not the case. I'll go through their list.

1. I believe the meeting was improper, but only because the information allegedly came from a foreign government. It's not illegal or impeachable. It's just improper, a political sin, or bad judgment. If it was merely a meeting with a third party, I'd have no problem with it and call it due diligence. Hillary getting help from Ukraine is on par with what Trump Jr. did.

2. I have more concern about his contacts to Ukraine than Russia. Ukraine is a cesspool.

3. A back channel is not unusual or alarming especially considering Russia and US involvement in the Syrian civil war. Not to mention other global hotspots.

4. This one is just false, he has criticized Putin and Russia. He also pressed Putin about "election meddling."

5. I believe Flynn was fired because Trump doubted his ability to trust him/loyalty.

6. He went "soft" on Flynn because of Flynn's record of service and he felt that his termination was punishment enough.

7. Comey was fired because of he wouldn't clear Trump's name despite assurances to Trump that he wasn't under investigation and just all around crappy job performance.

8. Out of context statement, but yeah it is irrelevant that he thinks Comey was a "nut job."

9. Nothing wrong with his speech. Generally agree with his view on US foreign policy.

10. I don't even know where they got this one. The objection is not procedural. It's more that sanctions are counter-productive to us mending our relationship with Russia. It would be a positive for both countries to have a good working relationship.

11. Um, if they knew Assange, they would likely know what wikileaks would be rolling out. Nothing nefarious about it.

12. I don't believe him, but it doesn't really matter. There's nothing wrong with having investments in Russia.

13. No clue, doesn't matter though. There's not going to be a smoking gun in his tax returns that says "payments from Putin."

14. Basic diplomacy.

15. Hell yes, this is overdue and good for the US.

16. More like the MSM has shown themselves to be fake news, destroyed their credibility, and he's calling them out on it.

Basically, it's a bunch of nothing that's been strung together. If you're for a good working relationship with Russia, recognize that Russia has legitimate national interests, and that NATO make Russia feel threatened, then you're a heretic and a Russia-phile according to the MSM. I do generally agree that it's a witch hunt and has been one for over a year. That said, I find the Trump Jr. meeting improper and the only thing of substance in the entire case. And that's only come out in the last two weeks.
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(07-15-2017 08:12 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 10:16 PM)Claw Wrote:  I can't speak for anyone else.

I have thought all along there were Trump-Russia talks specifically designed to avoid interception by the White House. I still do.

However, they weren't about the election. They were about fighting ISIS. Anything Obama knew would go straight to ISIS. It was and still is vital to keep the military plans out of the hands of the deep state Muslims. All of this happened because Trump and a lot of his supporters believe Obama is a traitorous Musllim.

You find that birth certificate yet?

This is real stuff.

The Trump team turned our guns on ISIS first as evidenced by what has happened this year. The Obama strategy was different and focused on attacking the Russian-backed Syrian regime first. It is perfectly understandable that Trump would have wanted to discuss this policy with the Russians without Obama's knowledge.

Obama was using ISIS to force regime change in Syria - bumps into Russia
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A year in....still nothing. BTW--every intelligence agency, and even every Democrat and all the anti-Trump forces---all agree that the effort to change votes failed. Thye "Big NOTHING BURGER" continues. At some point, Mach is going to have to face facts---its all political. There was never really anything there, but as long as it continues to be relatively effective at derailing the Trump agenda, it will continue.
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Libturds still can not disavow the Steele dossier. Sad.
07-15-2017 05:01 PM
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(07-15-2017 09:54 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 08:41 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  To believe the witch hunt narrative.

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Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/44...rd-believe

I'll go ahead and debunk that article. They make the mistake of assuming "you have to believe X, to believe Y." That's not the case. I'll go through their list.

1. I believe the meeting was improper, but only because the information allegedly came from a foreign government. It's not illegal or impeachable. It's just improper, a political sin, or bad judgment. If it was merely a meeting with a third party, I'd have no problem with it and call it due diligence. Hillary getting help from Ukraine is on par with what Trump Jr. did.

2. I have more concern about his contacts to Ukraine than Russia. Ukraine is a cesspool.

3. A back channel is not unusual or alarming especially considering Russia and US involvement in the Syrian civil war. Not to mention other global hotspots.

4. This one is just false, he has criticized Putin and Russia. He also pressed Putin about "election meddling."

5. I believe Flynn was fired because Trump doubted his ability to trust him/loyalty.

6. He went "soft" on Flynn because of Flynn's record of service and he felt that his termination was punishment enough.

7. Comey was fired because of he wouldn't clear Trump's name despite assurances to Trump that he wasn't under investigation and just all around crappy job performance.

8. Out of context statement, but yeah it is irrelevant that he thinks Comey was a "nut job."

9. Nothing wrong with his speech. Generally agree with his view on US foreign policy.

10. I don't even know where they got this one. The objection is not procedural. It's more that sanctions are counter-productive to us mending our relationship with Russia. It would be a positive for both countries to have a good working relationship.

11. Um, if they knew Assange, they would likely know what wikileaks would be rolling out. Nothing nefarious about it.

12. I don't believe him, but it doesn't really matter. There's nothing wrong with having investments in Russia.

13. No clue, doesn't matter though. There's not going to be a smoking gun in his tax returns that says "payments from Putin."

14. Basic diplomacy.

15. Hell yes, this is overdue and good for the US.

16. More like the MSM has shown themselves to be fake news, destroyed their credibility, and he's calling them out on it.

Basically, it's a bunch of nothing that's been strung together. If you're for a good working relationship with Russia, recognize that Russia has legitimate national interests, and that NATO make Russia feel threatened, then you're a heretic and a Russia-phile according to the MSM. I do generally agree that it's a witch hunt and has been one for over a year. That said, I find the Trump Jr. meeting improper and the only thing of substance in the entire case. And that's only come out in the last two weeks.

I'm not sure Machiavelli even reads what he posts. There's nothing in there but that some things might (or might not) have happened. And this is an article from March 30th. There is so much stuff that has been debunked since then its not worth going over. About the only thing in there is that someone Steele mentioned might have been a diplomat (assuming Steele was referring to someone with a slightly different spelling) and that person according to anonymous intelligence agency sources was a person of interest as a possible spy (so why are they disclosing that?). And there still doesn't appear to be anything other than Steele connecting this guy to Trump's campaign (after a while I started skimming, but saw nothing).
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What has been debunked in the Steele Dossier? Credible and reputable news sources please.
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(07-15-2017 08:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It's terrible what has happened to the GOP. It's a mental disease at this point. The ends justify the means. Claw invents scenarios in his head to excuse lies and possibly treason.

Same thing can be said about the Dem party after Bill C left office if not earlier. FDR, HST and JFK would not recognize the Democratic Party of today.
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