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NCAA selection process
Just saw this....
There still will be four separate columns, with the first column consisting of home games against teams ranked 1-30, neutral-site games against teams ranked in the top 50 and road games against opponents ranked in the top 75. The second column will include home games against teams ranked 31-75, neutral-site games versus teams ranked 51-100 and road games against teams ranked 76-135.

The third column will consist of home games played against competition ranked 76-160, games played on a neutral court versus teams ranked 101-200 and games on the road against teams ranked 136-240. The fourth column will include home games against teams ranked 161-351, neutral-site games played against teams ranked 201-351 and road games versus opponents ranked 241-351.


So for instance- last year a team like #1 Villanova(by RPI going into tourney)

old way-
12-2 vs top 50
5-1 vs 51-100
9-0 vs 101-200
5-0 vs 201-351

new way-
11-2 vs tier 1(2-1 home top 30, 4-0 neutral top 50, 5-2 vs away top 75)
7-1 vs tier 2(5-1 vs h 31-75, 1-0 vs N 51-100, 1-0 a 76-135)
9-0 vs tier 3(3-0 vs h 76-160, 1-0 vs N 101-200, 5-0 vs a 136-240)
4-0 vs tier 4(4-0 vs h 161+)

Seems pretty reasonable.
07-14-2017 01:04 PM
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RE: NCAA selection process
Briefly ... why is this new method more fair than just based off opponent ranking regardless where the game was played?
07-14-2017 01:24 PM
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RE: NCAA selection process
because beating #50 team on the road is statistically tougher than beating the 31st team at home.
07-14-2017 01:28 PM
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RE: NCAA selection process
Still arbitrary cutoffs. There's no special significance about the 30th best team compared to the 31st, but a home win over #30 is worth a lot more.

A mid major who beats #5, 31, and 32 is a lot more impressive than one who beats 26, 30, and 74, etc.
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RE: NCAA selection process
did a bit of quick looking:

last team in:
57 Kansas St
1-3 vs h t30
1-2 vs n t50
4-3 vs a t75
6-8 vs tier 1 (4-9)

0-2 vs h 31-75
0-2 vs a 76-135
0-4 vs tier 2(2-2)

4-0 vs h 76-160
2-1 vs a 161-240
6-1 vs tier 3(8-2)

8-0 vs h 161-351 (6-0)

1st team out:
Syracuse
3-1 vs h t30
0-2 vs n t50
1-6 vs a t75
4-9 vs tier 1 (6-8)

4-0 vs h 31-75
0-1 vs a 76-135
4-1 vs tier 2 (2-1)

1-2 vs h 76-160
0-1 vs n 101-200
1-1 vs a 136-240
2-4 vs tier 3 (4-4)

8-0 vs h 161-351(6-1)

Illinois St
0-0 vs h t30
0-1 vs n t50
0-2 vs a t75
0-3 tier 1(1-2)

1-0 vs h 31-75
0-1 vs n 51-100
0-1 vs a 76-135
1-2 tier 2(1-2)

2-0 vs h 76-160
3-0 vs n 101-200
7-1 vs a 136-240
12-1 tier 3(13-1)

11-0 vs h 161-351
2-0 vs a 241-351
13-0 tier 4(11-1)
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I am glad they are finally giving some consideration to road wins as mids have to do their work on the road.


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(07-14-2017 01:53 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  I am glad they are finally giving some consideration to road wins as mids have to do their work on the road.


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I don't think it's going to help anywhere near as much as you think. I mean look at Illinois St. They lose their tier 1 home game vs Wichita as a result of the change. Going to be very rare when you see them with a home game that's categorized in tier 1.
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RE: NCAA selection process
Sorry if this is a dumb question .... but it's the opponent ranking during the game, not at the end of the season, right?
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(07-14-2017 02:06 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Sorry if this is a dumb question .... but it's the opponent ranking during the game, not at the end of the season, right?

no, end of the season. kind of tough to do a rating for game 2 of the year.....
07-14-2017 02:09 PM
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I don't like that. You beat a team easily early in the year, then get extra credit when they rise. Conversely, you pull off a really tough game on the road against a top team only to see them tank the rest of the season and lose credit for the win.
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