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RE: Baseball de-commitment
(07-24-2017 09:34 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 06:51 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Don't say "furor"

Why not?
I thought he was making a pun on "Fuehrer".
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(07-17-2017 09:36 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Probably mad about hero

(07-24-2017 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Reading today about the Kaepernick situation, I was struck by the similarity to the Berkman discussion.

An employee speaks out his mind. It causes controversy that his employer doesn't want or need. Other employers choose not to hire him as they don't need the controversy, either.

Isn't that what we were talking about?

Except that Kaepernick was already employed and chose to make his "statements" in uniform during employer events. Berkman hasn't even been offered a job, to our knowledge.

I suspect if Kaepernick was still at the top of his game and leading the 49ers to deep playoff runs, his employer wouldn't have cared so much about his "statements".
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Post: #183
RE: Baseball de-commitment
(07-24-2017 11:01 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  I suspect if Kaepernick was still at the top of his game and leading the 49ers to deep playoff runs, his employer wouldn't have cared so much about his "statements".

Kneeling for the anthem did not hurt the careers of Brandon Marshall, Devin McCourty, or Martellus Bennett.
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Post: #184
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I think I have stated my position pretty clearly (that I don't think controversial statements made by a prospective coaching hire should be subject to a litmus test, but should at least be a factor and something the AD discusses with any potential hire). I feel the same way whether the potential hire is a liberal or conservative. I doubt Berkman's past statements should be a problem in hiring him at Rice, as long as the expectation was that he would avoid politically controversial issues while employed at Rice.

Some of you clearly don't see Berkman's statements, made while a private citizen, should really affect how Rice looks at him as a potential baseball coach. Would you feel the same way if Berkman was a flaming liberal? Just curious. That would give me pause as well, but certainly would not be disqualifying.
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Post: #185
RE: Baseball de-commitment
(07-24-2017 11:01 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 09:36 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Probably mad about hero

(07-24-2017 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Reading today about the Kaepernick situation, I was struck by the similarity to the Berkman discussion.

An employee speaks out his mind. It causes controversy that his employer doesn't want or need. Other employers choose not to hire him as they don't need the controversy, either.

Isn't that what we were talking about?

Except that Kaepernick was already employed and chose to make his "statements" in uniform during employer events. Berkman hasn't even been offered a job, to our knowledge.

I suspect if Kaepernick was still at the top of his game and leading the 49ers to deep playoff runs, his employer wouldn't have cared so much about his "statements".

t think if his utility to the team made the controversy worth it, somebody would hire him.

His skills are a plus in his column. The problems he brings are a minus. If the net is positive enough to overcome other player's net, he would have a job.

The parallel to Berkman would be if what he could bring to the Owls as coach outweighed whatever negatives his politics would bring. Positive expected value versus negative expected value. Even if he had positive EV, somebody without political baggage might have more positive EV.

Putting numbers on it, if his coaching is seen as a +15 and his politics as a -10, his net would be +5. Another candidate whose coach is seen as a +10 and politics 0, net +10, might get the nod over him.

Just seeing the parallel to another person whose politics might be costing him a job.
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Post: #186
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(07-24-2017 10:18 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 09:34 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 06:51 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Don't say "furor"

Why not?
I thought he was making a pun on "Fuehrer".

Yeah, bad joke, but ya got it :/
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The volunteer coach spot has been filled. The assistant coach spot is still open.
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(07-27-2017 04:29 PM)kinderowl Wrote:  The volunteer coach spot has been filled. The assistant coach spot is still open.

And who is the volunteer??
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(07-27-2017 04:37 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(07-27-2017 04:29 PM)kinderowl Wrote:  The volunteer coach spot has been filled. The assistant coach spot is still open.

And who is the volunteer??

Eat More Vole
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Jordan K leaving Blinn for Rice.
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Pretty strong hire for the volunteer assistant IMO.
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Post: #193
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(07-24-2017 11:32 AM)Baconator Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 11:01 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  I suspect if Kaepernick was still at the top of his game and leading the 49ers to deep playoff runs, his employer wouldn't have cared so much about his "statements".

Kneeling for the anthem did not hurt the careers of Brandon Marshall, Devin McCourty, or Martellus Bennett.

Nor, apparently, Duane Brown of the Texans. Although I bet the Texans let the daily fine for missing training camp stand.
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(07-28-2017 10:07 AM)davidw Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 11:32 AM)Baconator Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 11:01 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  I suspect if Kaepernick was still at the top of his game and leading the 49ers to deep playoff runs, his employer wouldn't have cared so much about his "statements".

Kneeling for the anthem did not hurt the careers of Brandon Marshall, Devin McCourty, or Martellus Bennett.

Nor, apparently, Duane Brown of the Texans. Although I bet the Texans let the daily fine for missing training camp stand.

When what he brings to the table footballwise outweighs the trouble he brings publicitywise, he will get a job. Same as any other industry. So injuries will get him a job. Somewhere. Sooner or later.

personally, it think it would diminish my team to have a QB who not only thinks this country is oppressive, but flaunts it at every game. However, if it makes the difference between playoff or no playoff...

Same for the other names mentioned. when their utility falls below the cost of having them, out they go. Joe Blow without baggage > Joe Blow with baggage.
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Post: #195
RE: Baseball de-commitment
(07-28-2017 11:16 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-28-2017 10:07 AM)davidw Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 11:32 AM)Baconator Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 11:01 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  I suspect if Kaepernick was still at the top of his game and leading the 49ers to deep playoff runs, his employer wouldn't have cared so much about his "statements".

Kneeling for the anthem did not hurt the careers of Brandon Marshall, Devin McCourty, or Martellus Bennett.

Nor, apparently, Duane Brown of the Texans. Although I bet the Texans let the daily fine for missing training camp stand.

When what he brings to the table footballwise outweighs the trouble he brings publicitywise, he will get a job. Same as any other industry. So injuries will get him a job. Somewhere. Sooner or later.

personally, it think it would diminish my team to have a QB who not only thinks this country is oppressive, but flaunts it at every game. However, if it makes the difference between playoff or no playoff...

Same for the other names mentioned. when their utility falls below the cost of having them, out they go. Joe Blow without baggage > Joe Blow with baggage.

"Flaunts it"? Really? It's a pretty peaceful protest, no?
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(07-28-2017 11:16 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-28-2017 10:07 AM)davidw Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 11:32 AM)Baconator Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 11:01 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  I suspect if Kaepernick was still at the top of his game and leading the 49ers to deep playoff runs, his employer wouldn't have cared so much about his "statements".

Kneeling for the anthem did not hurt the careers of Brandon Marshall, Devin McCourty, or Martellus Bennett.

Nor, apparently, Duane Brown of the Texans. Although I bet the Texans let the daily fine for missing training camp stand.

When what he brings to the table footballwise outweighs the trouble he brings publicitywise, he will get a job. Same as any other industry. So injuries will get him a job. Somewhere. Sooner or later.

personally, it think it would diminish my team to have a QB who not only thinks this country is oppressive, but flaunts it at every game. However, if it makes the difference between playoff or no playoff...

Same for the other names mentioned. when their utility falls below the cost of having them, out they go. Joe Blow without baggage > Joe Blow with baggage.

"Flaunts it"? Really? It's a pretty peaceful protest, no?
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(07-28-2017 01:02 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(07-28-2017 11:16 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  personally, it think it would diminish my team to have a QB who not only thinks this country is oppressive, but flaunts it at every game.

"Flaunts it"? Really? It's a pretty peaceful protest, no?
What does peacefulness have to do with it? Calling attention to oneself is flaunting, even without violence. In fact, most flaunting is nonviolent.
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It's official. Shepperd is now the Assistant Baseball Coach at the University of Incarnate Word.
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