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RE: OT: Does App St miss FCS?
With all that being said, App is also the top of the recent FCS move-ups competitively (yes, even more than ODU). They are poised to have a good season this year, are on-paper favorites in 11 of their 12 games and have a winnable P5 game against Georgia (dawgs are only 3 pt favorites according to massey). If they beat UGA, they could be considered one of the better G5 programs in 2017 and probably end up ranked later on.
They'll be able to beat a crappy Wake Forest team at home this year. The SBC won't challenge them.
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RE: OT: Does App St miss FCS?
Ask them again in 10 years and see if they have the same answer.

Potomac gets to the heart of the matter: Does hosting games in Boone against Miami, UNC, Wake Forest and East Carolina make a difference if most of them will be losses?

Will the shine eventually wear off playing the likes of Arkansas State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, UA-Little Rock, UL-L, UL-M, South Alabama, Texas State and Troy every year?
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RE: OT: Does App St miss FCS?
round and round we go. there are 3 categories of JMU football fans

1. FBS at any cost
2. FBS for the right conference / when they get G5 figured out
3. Stay FCS

i would suspect 80% of our fans are in 2.

FBS was always going to work for App, they won 3 NCs in a row, were averaging 30k, have a conference that works and are willing to sacrifice their other sports
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RE: OT: Does App St miss FCS?
Or...

1 Clearly stated goal and plan for FBS
2 See ya in 2023, maybe
3 Apologists, BFLPs, and luddites
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RE: OT: Does App St miss FCS?
(07-12-2017 03:14 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  round and round we go. there are 3 categories of JMU football fans

1. FBS at any cost
2. FBS for the right conference / when they get G5 figured out
3. Stay FCS

i would suspect 80% of our fans are in 2.

FBS was always going to work for App, they won 3 NCs in a row, were averaging 30k, have a conference that works and are willing to sacrifice their other sports

Pretty much agree with everything you said. Just to point out, App averaging 30k is a bit of a stretch. App State's attendance avg last 9 years in I-AA:
2005: 17,917 (won NC)
2006: 20,546 (won NC, think was 1st season ever over 20k avg attendance)
2007: 24,218 (beat Michigan, won NC)
2008: 25,161
2009: 24,004
2010: 25,715
2011: 26,211
2012: 26,358
2013: 24,894
http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statis...attendance
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RE: OT: Does App St miss FCS?
(07-12-2017 03:31 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 03:14 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  round and round we go. there are 3 categories of JMU football fans

1. FBS at any cost
2. FBS for the right conference / when they get G5 figured out
3. Stay FCS

i would suspect 80% of our fans are in 2.

FBS was always going to work for App, they won 3 NCs in a row, were averaging 30k, have a conference that works and are willing to sacrifice their other sports

Pretty much agree with everything you said. Just to point out, App averaging 30k is a bit of a stretch. App State's attendance avg last 9 years in I-AA:
2005: 17,917 (won NC)
2006: 20,546 (won NC, think was 1st season ever over 20k avg attendance)
2007: 24,218 (beat Michigan, won NC)
2008: 25,161
2009: 24,004
2010: 25,715
2011: 26,211
2012: 26,358
2013: 24,894
http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statis...attendance

I knew that to be the case, I will also add they slipped a little during their transition seasons. When you aren't playing for hardware, it's tough on fans and players alike.
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RE: OT: Does App St miss FCS?
(07-12-2017 03:05 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  Ask them again in 10 years and see if they have the same answer.

Potomac gets to the heart of the matter: Does hosting games in Boone against Miami, UNC, Wake Forest and East Carolina make a difference if most of them will be losses?

Why will most of their home games against P5 teams be losses? Have they already forfeited?

Playing these teams is good.
Hosting these teams is better.
Beating these teams is the best.

This is a good 10 year bet for me. I will wager that App wins the majority of their home games against P5 teams in the next 10 years. Let me know if you have a juicy bet to offer.
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RE: OT: Does App St miss FCS?
Your list needed some clarifications so I took a stab at it...

1. FBS at any cost (Who wants FBS at "any cost"? Literally at any cost? Not sure I've seen many in this category but I'd be interested in seeing some examples. Perhaps this is your category for the fans that have wanted JMU to move up for years because they recognize the SB and CUSA are simply a step forward vs a final destination? I'd say these are the fans that expect nothing less than leadership that fulfills the potential JMU has demonstrated for decades.)


2. FBS for the right conference / when they get G5 figured out (Red herring by the bubble people. If this was the strategy of an administration that was upfront, clear and committed from the get-go I might have believed it (and even have been all for it). I'm not sure how fans that have been burned by the last 10+ years still have faith in the same 'ol modus operandi of this leadership but if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...)


3. Stay FCS (Bubble people. Fans that either live nearby and get to see all the games and local media coverage they want, or those who don't realize what JMU is capable of if left unimpeded. Maybe if I lived in the valley and didn't have the experiences I had at JMU, and seen the things I've seen this would be me. But it's not.)
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RE: OT: Does App St miss FCS?
(07-12-2017 03:05 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  Ask them again in 10 years and see if they have the same answer.

Potomac gets to the heart of the matter: Does hosting games in Boone against Miami, UNC, Wake Forest and East Carolina make a difference if most of them will be losses?

Will the shine eventually wear off playing the likes of Arkansas State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, UA-Little Rock, UL-L, UL-M, South Alabama, Texas State and Troy every year?

How many teams with even half of JMU's potential have dropped back down to FCS? There are a ton P5 schools we can beat at home now. We will always have undesirable games at home, we have several every single year in FCS. I'd take Georgia Southern over an FCS team like Coastal any day. Oh wait, they're FBS now. Well I'd take Georgia Southern over an FCS team like Liberty any day. Shat, them too? How about Bridgewater? Is Bridgewater FBS now?
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RE: OT: Does App St miss FCS?
I was picking up SCD Jr from football camp today at Furman Univ.

Interesting conversation took place between myself and the entire coaching staff , except HC and OC ( Cronik) former JMU staff guy.

They all asked me, "when are y'all (JMU) moving to FBS? Even fellow FCS opponents are scratching their heads at our "leadership."
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