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RE: AAC will never measure up to Power 5
I don't buy the whole premise.. it says UCF and UH 'fumbled the ball' in reguards to national relevancy.. This might be the case if UCF had lost to baylor and UH had lost to FSU, but the fact that both teams won demonstrated that the aac teams deserved their top 15/top 10 rankings that season. And UH's " mediocre 9-4 " season last year included two top 5 wins and at one point a top 5 ranking. You can argue we fumbled down the stretch but you can't argue we didn't demonstrate competing with the p5.. I also wouldn't limit the teams to UH UCF and South Florida. There are a few teams in this league that haven't had a pulse in football, but it's out of the norm, not the other way around. The American has surpassed expectations.
07-12-2017 11:05 AM
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RE: AAC will never measure up to Power 5
(07-12-2017 11:05 AM)vcoog Wrote:  I don't buy the whole premise.. it says UCF and UH 'fumbled the ball' in reguards to national relevancy.. This might be the case if UCF had lost to baylor and UH had lost to FSU, but the fact that both teams won demonstrated that the aac teams deserved their top 15/top 10 rankings that season. And UH's " mediocre 9-4 " season last year included two top 5 wins and at one point a top 5 ranking. You can argue we fumbled down the stretch but you can't argue we didn't demonstrate competing with the p5.. I also wouldn't limit the teams to UH UCF and South Florida. There are a few teams in this league that haven't had a pulse in football, but it's out of the norm, not the other way around. The American has surpassed expectations.

He called it "fumbling the ball". I'd argue that the losses during conference play indicate that the AAC is a pretty solid top to bottom league. Lots of dangerous teams capable of beating P5's.

That said--I have major reservations about a non-P5 team ever being in the playoff. The selection committee composition, stacked from top to bottom with virtually ALL P5 representatives, is essnetially an echo chamber and the belief that a G5 is deserving of the playoff is non-existent in that room. No G5 has ever reached the top 10 in a single CFP ranking. The first CFP ranking waitd weeks before even ranking an undefeated Marshall. In year 3 of the CFP, an undefeated G5 with wins over 2 P5's was not even top 10 worthy per the committee. In fact, the committee saw fit to place an undefeated W Michigan, with 2 P5 wins, behind every single 3 loss P5 (plus WMU was even ranked behind one FOUR-loss P5). Based on that, it would appear almost impossible for a G5 to get into the top 10---much less the top 4.

I dont think the guys on the selection committee even see themselves as unethical. The issue is the guys on the committee are all the same guy, cut from the same cloth, possessing the exact the same point of view. They all are P5 guys who truly believe it really isnt possible for a G5 team to be a legit top 10 team. Until the selection committee is made up of one representative from every FBS conference, the chance of a G5 crashing the playoff party is essentially zero.
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RE: AAC will never measure up to Power 5
(07-12-2017 10:40 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  We beat P5s more regularly than anyone outside of Houston. It's our only claim to fame at the moment.

Wins by a non-BCS AQ/ P5 over BCS AQ/P5 since 2003:
T1. Navy 23
T1. BYU 23
3. Boise State 15
T4. Fresno State 14
T4. Houston 14
6. East Carolina 13
7. Hawai'i 10
T8. NIU 9
T8. Toledo 9

Navy's 23 wins came with 33 losses - a .410 winning percentage. That is in line with historic record against current P5 - 193-219-16 for a .451 winning percentage
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RE: AAC will never measure up to Power 5
(07-12-2017 11:12 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 11:05 AM)vcoog Wrote:  I don't buy the whole premise.. it says UCF and UH 'fumbled the ball' in reguards to national relevancy.. This might be the case if UCF had lost to baylor and UH had lost to FSU, but the fact that both teams won demonstrated that the aac teams deserved their top 15/top 10 rankings that season. And UH's " mediocre 9-4 " season last year included two top 5 wins and at one point a top 5 ranking. You can argue we fumbled down the stretch but you can't argue we didn't demonstrate competing with the p5.. I also wouldn't limit the teams to UH UCF and South Florida. There are a few teams in this league that haven't had a pulse in football, but it's out of the norm, not the other way around. The American has surpassed expectations.

He called it "fumbling the ball". I'd argue that the losses during conference play indicate that the AAC is a pretty solid top to bottom league. Lots of dangerous teams capable of beating P5's.

That said--I have major reservations about a non-P5 team ever being in the playoff. The selection committee composition, stacked from top to bottom with virtually ALL P5 representatives, is essnetially an echo chamber and the belief that a G5 is deserving of the playoff is non-existent in that room. No G5 has ever reached the top 10 in a single CFP ranking. The first CFP ranking waitd weeks before even ranking an undefeated Marshall. In year 3 of the CFP, an undefeated G5 with wins over 2 P5's was not even top 10 worthy per the committee. In fact, the committee saw fit to place an undefeated W Michigan, with 2 P5 wins, behind every single 3 loss P5 (plus WMU was even ranked behind one FOUR-loss P5). Based on that, it would appear almost impossible for a G5 to get into the top 10---much less the top 4.

We aren't in the same boat as WMU (Lol boat), this isn't a problem for an AAC team who schedules tough. See 2015 memphis when they were ranked 13 mid season, would have been hard to leave them out at 13-0. Same with UH last season. If we win out we CAN get a team in. Can't say the same for cusa or mac teams. Have to schedule tough and win.
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RE: AAC will never measure up to Power 5
(07-12-2017 11:15 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:40 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  We beat P5s more regularly than anyone outside of Houston. It's our only claim to fame at the moment.

Wins by a non-BCS AQ/ P5 over BCS AQ/P5 since 2003:
T1. Navy 23
T1. BYU 23
3. Boise State 15
T4. Fresno State 14
T4. Houston 14
6. East Carolina 13
7. Hawai'i 10
T8. NIU 9
T8. Toledo 9

Navy's 23 wins came with 33 losses - a .410 winning percentage. That is in line with historic record against current P5 - 193-219-16 for a .451 winning percentage

You're going back 14 years why? This is an AAC conversation so should only incorporate years since AAC was founded/membership.
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RE: AAC will never measure up to Power 5
(07-12-2017 11:30 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 11:15 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:40 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  We beat P5s more regularly than anyone outside of Houston. It's our only claim to fame at the moment.

Wins by a non-BCS AQ/ P5 over BCS AQ/P5 since 2003:
T1. Navy 23
T1. BYU 23
3. Boise State 15
T4. Fresno State 14
T4. Houston 14
6. East Carolina 13
7. Hawai'i 10
T8. NIU 9
T8. Toledo 9

Navy's 23 wins came with 33 losses - a .410 winning percentage. That is in line with historic record against current P5 - 193-219-16 for a .451 winning percentage

You're going back 14 years why? This is an AAC conversation so should only incorporate years since AAC was founded/membership.

homers gonna homer?
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AAC will never measure up to Power 5
The p5 selection committee means to never select a G5 team under any circumstances
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RE: AAC will never measure up to Power 5
(07-12-2017 11:30 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 11:15 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:40 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  We beat P5s more regularly than anyone outside of Houston. It's our only claim to fame at the moment.

Wins by a non-BCS AQ/ P5 over BCS AQ/P5 since 2003:
T1. Navy 23
T1. BYU 23
3. Boise State 15
T4. Fresno State 14
T4. Houston 14
6. East Carolina 13
7. Hawai'i 10
T8. NIU 9
T8. Toledo 9

Navy's 23 wins came with 33 losses - a .410 winning percentage. That is in line with historic record against current P5 - 193-219-16 for a .451 winning percentage

You're going back 14 years why? This is an AAC conversation so should only incorporate years since AAC was founded/membership.

Because that is the stat in our game day media guide.

That is probably because 2003 was when we started winning - only one losing season 2003-2016. That is legitimate and not just cherry-picking, though, because the Johnson-Niumatalolo era IS the state of the program today (yes, that left off Johnson's 2-10 2002 season).
It speaks to consistently winning (the discussion in the original article); it speaks to a program that has a sustained record, including bowls and post-bowl top 25 rankings (check 2004) across the whole timeframe; and it speaks to relevance and national brand.
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RE: AAC will never measure up to Power 5
By nature independents like BYU and Navy will have more P5 wins, you played more P5 teams.
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(07-12-2017 11:45 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  By nature independents like BYU and Navy will have more P5 wins, you played more P5 teams.

Ya...It'd be like including UC, USF, and UCONN on this list.

But then Navy probably wouldn't be #1, which would screw up his slant.
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