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Big 12/PAC reorganization?
I haven't posted a crazy theory in a while and I've got the itch so I was thinking about this today...

I'm not trying to piggyback on the Dude here because I think he has no clue what he's talking about, but let's assume for a moment that the financial issues and distribution difficulties of the PAC do indeed lead to trouble on the West Coast.

I do NOT think the Big 12 is going to snag PAC schools. I think perhaps the geographical limitations will prevent the B1G or the SEC from doing so either. But let's think back to the last time 2 leagues with relative proximity were both having financial issues coupled with demographic shortfalls...the Big 8 and the SWC died off and the remnants reformed as the Big 12.

What if we see something akin to this happen again?

What if ESPN decides to go all in with the PAC once the contract is up in the early 2020s with this sort of scenario in mind?

PAC drops Washington State and Oregon State

Big 12 drops Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, and West Virginia

The remnants merge with an ESPN owned 3rd Tier network that combines the existing PACN with the LHN...

The Pacific Western Conference?

West: UCLA, USC, California, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Arizona State

East: Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State

Let's also say...

SEC adds TCU and West Virginia

ACC adds Notre Dame and Cincinnati

B1G adds UConn and Colorado State

You've got 4 separate 16 team Power conferences. For ESPN, they now exclusively own 3/4 of the Power product and virtually every growth market in the nation.

Thoughts?
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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
(07-11-2017 06:16 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I haven't posted a crazy theory in a while and I've got the itch so I was thinking about this today...

I'm not trying to piggyback on the Dude here because I think he has no clue what he's talking about, but let's assume for a moment that the financial issues and distribution difficulties of the PAC do indeed lead to trouble on the West Coast.

I do NOT think the Big 12 is going to snag PAC schools. I think perhaps the geographical limitations will prevent the B1G or the SEC from doing so either. But let's think back to the last time 2 leagues with relative proximity were both having financial issues coupled with demographic shortfalls...the Big 8 and the SWC died off and the remnants reformed as the Big 12.

What if we see something akin to this happen again?

What if ESPN decides to go all in with the PAC once the contract is up in the early 2020s with this sort of scenario in mind?

PAC drops Washington State and Oregon State

Big 12 drops Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, and West Virginia

The remnants merge with an ESPN owned 3rd Tier network that combines the existing PACN with the LHN...

The Pacific Western Conference?

West: UCLA, USC, California, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Arizona State

East: Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State

Let's also say...

SEC adds TCU and West Virginia

ACC adds Notre Dame and Cincinnati

B1G adds UConn and Colorado State

You've got 4 separate 16 team Power conferences. For ESPN, they now exclusively own 3/4 of the Power product and virtually every growth market in the nation.

Thoughts?

Ahhhh
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(07-11-2017 06:21 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 06:16 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I haven't posted a crazy theory in a while and I've got the itch so I was thinking about this today...

I'm not trying to piggyback on the Dude here because I think he has no clue what he's talking about, but let's assume for a moment that the financial issues and distribution difficulties of the PAC do indeed lead to trouble on the West Coast.

I do NOT think the Big 12 is going to snag PAC schools. I think perhaps the geographical limitations will prevent the B1G or the SEC from doing so either. But let's think back to the last time 2 leagues with relative proximity were both having financial issues coupled with demographic shortfalls...the Big 8 and the SWC died off and the remnants reformed as the Big 12.

What if we see something akin to this happen again?

What if ESPN decides to go all in with the PAC once the contract is up in the early 2020s with this sort of scenario in mind?

PAC drops Washington State and Oregon State

Big 12 drops Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, and West Virginia

The remnants merge with an ESPN owned 3rd Tier network that combines the existing PACN with the LHN...

The Pacific Western Conference?

West: UCLA, USC, California, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Arizona State

East: Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State

Let's also say...

SEC adds TCU and West Virginia

ACC adds Notre Dame and Cincinnati

B1G adds UConn and Colorado State

You've got 4 separate 16 team Power conferences. For ESPN, they now exclusively own 3/4 of the Power product and virtually every growth market in the nation.

Thoughts?

Ahhhh

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I don't see the B1G adding UCONN & Colorado State.

The only way the Big12 can snag some PAC schools is if the B1G picks some up first.

I could see Texas & Oklahoma going to the PAC & possibly bringing a few more if the other powers expanded. TCU & WV to the SEC. Kansas & UCONN to the B1G. ND & Cincinnati to the ACC. Then the PAC adding TT, Oklahoma State, Iowa State & Houston.
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(07-14-2017 05:41 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 05:40 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  BYU to the PAC breaks the readers suspension of disbelief

I was worried about that. But even as a football-only affiliate to balance out the addition of Colorado?

There is no hold your nose comprise with BYU for the PAC. This is one of those situations where the academic side of the house would trump any athletic value the Cougars would bring.
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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
(07-11-2017 06:16 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I haven't posted a crazy theory in a while and I've got the itch so I was thinking about this today...

I'm not trying to piggyback on the Dude here because I think he has no clue what he's talking about, but let's assume for a moment that the financial issues and distribution difficulties of the PAC do indeed lead to trouble on the West Coast.

I do NOT think the Big 12 is going to snag PAC schools. I think perhaps the geographical limitations will prevent the B1G or the SEC from doing so either. But let's think back to the last time 2 leagues with relative proximity were both having financial issues coupled with demographic shortfalls...the Big 8 and the SWC died off and the remnants reformed as the Big 12.

What if we see something akin to this happen again?

What if ESPN decides to go all in with the PAC once the contract is up in the early 2020s with this sort of scenario in mind?

PAC drops Washington State and Oregon State

Big 12 drops Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, and West Virginia

The remnants merge with an ESPN owned 3rd Tier network that combines the existing PACN with the LHN...

The Pacific Western Conference?

West: UCLA, USC, California, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Arizona State

East: Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State

Let's also say...

SEC adds TCU and West Virginia

ACC adds Notre Dame and Cincinnati

B1G adds UConn and Colorado State

You've got 4 separate 16 team Power conferences. For ESPN, they now exclusively own 3/4 of the Power product and virtually every growth market in the nation.

Thoughts?

AllTideUp... When does the PAC 12's GOR expire? I tried a quick search online, but couldn’t find an answer.
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(08-05-2017 08:38 PM)Underdog Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 06:16 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I haven't posted a crazy theory in a while and I've got the itch so I was thinking about this today...

I'm not trying to piggyback on the Dude here because I think he has no clue what he's talking about, but let's assume for a moment that the financial issues and distribution difficulties of the PAC do indeed lead to trouble on the West Coast.

I do NOT think the Big 12 is going to snag PAC schools. I think perhaps the geographical limitations will prevent the B1G or the SEC from doing so either. But let's think back to the last time 2 leagues with relative proximity were both having financial issues coupled with demographic shortfalls...the Big 8 and the SWC died off and the remnants reformed as the Big 12.

What if we see something akin to this happen again?

What if ESPN decides to go all in with the PAC once the contract is up in the early 2020s with this sort of scenario in mind?

PAC drops Washington State and Oregon State

Big 12 drops Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, and West Virginia

The remnants merge with an ESPN owned 3rd Tier network that combines the existing PACN with the LHN...

The Pacific Western Conference?

West: UCLA, USC, California, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Arizona State

East: Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State

Let's also say...

SEC adds TCU and West Virginia

ACC adds Notre Dame and Cincinnati

B1G adds UConn and Colorado State

You've got 4 separate 16 team Power conferences. For ESPN, they now exclusively own 3/4 of the Power product and virtually every growth market in the nation.

Thoughts?

AllTideUp... When does the PAC 12's GOR expire? I tried a quick search online, but couldn’t find an answer.

I can't remember the exact year, but it's right around the time the Big 12's deal expires.
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Big 12/PAC reorganization?
Crazy theory. Say the B1G raids the PAC first & grabs USC, UCLA, Oregon & Washington. The B12 could make a run at Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado & Utah.

How would/could the SEC &/or the ACC respond? ND & Cincinnati to the ACC? WV & TCU to the SEC which would then open up spots for Washington State & Oregon State in the B12?


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(08-06-2017 10:08 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Crazy theory. Say the B1G raids the PAC first & grabs USC, UCLA, Oregon & Washington. The B12 could make a run at Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado & Utah.

How would/could the SEC &/or the ACC respond? ND & Cincinnati to the ACC? WV & TCU to the SEC which would then open up spots for Washington State & Oregon State in the B12?


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I have a strong feeling the Cali-4 are a package deal. Id think those 4 + Oregon and Washington could get poached by the B1g with maybe Arizona and Colorado along with Kansas and perhaps Texas.
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(08-06-2017 02:08 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(08-06-2017 10:08 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Crazy theory. Say the B1G raids the PAC first & grabs USC, UCLA, Oregon & Washington. The B12 could make a run at Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado & Utah.

How would/could the SEC &/or the ACC respond? ND & Cincinnati to the ACC? WV & TCU to the SEC which would then open up spots for Washington State & Oregon State in the B12?


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I have a strong feeling the Cali-4 are a package deal. Id think those 4 + Oregon and Washington could get poached by the B1g with maybe Arizona and Colorado along with Kansas and perhaps Texas.

Are you implying something like this:

B1G:
West: California, Stanford, U.C.L.A., U.S.C., Washington
Midwest: Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Great Lakes: Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Indiana
East: Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

Big 12:
Northwest: Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State
Southwest: Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Texas Tech
South Prairie: Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas
North Prairie: Colorado State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State

SEC:
East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
North: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia
South: Alabama, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State
West: Arkansas, Missouri, Texas A&M, T.C.U.

ACC:
North: B.C., Cincinnati, Notre Dame, Syracuse
N Atlantic: Louisville, Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech,
S Atlantic: Duke, N.Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami
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