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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
(08-09-2017 01:34 PM)Otacon Wrote:  Call me crazy, but I have a feeling that if the dominoes fall, the B1G might just steal WVU.....

WV wouldn't add $50+ mil to the B1G... not to mention the academic reasons. Moreover, if the B12 could click on the undo option, Louisville would be in the conference instead of WV....
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(08-16-2017 10:18 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 01:34 PM)Otacon Wrote:  Call me crazy, but I have a feeling that if the dominoes fall, the B1G might just steal WVU.....

WV wouldn't add $50+ mil to the B1G... not to mention the academic reasons. Moreover, if the B12 could click on the undo option, Louisville would be in the conference instead of WV....

WVU might not add $50M, but they would add quality matchups in football and basketball. Let's face it, the Big Ten east with Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue and say UConn football on your schedule is way too much filler for the TV broadcasters to stomach let alone season ticket holders.
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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
(08-16-2017 05:00 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(08-16-2017 10:18 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 01:34 PM)Otacon Wrote:  Call me crazy, but I have a feeling that if the dominoes fall, the B1G might just steal WVU.....

WV wouldn't add $50+ mil to the B1G... not to mention the academic reasons. Moreover, if the B12 could click on the undo option, Louisville would be in the conference instead of WV....

WVU might not add $50M, but they would add quality matchups in football and basketball. Let's face it, the Big Ten east with Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue and say UConn football on your schedule is way too much filler for the TV broadcasters to stomach let alone season ticket holders.

And adding Kansas is any circumstance is really not going to solve their problem at that.
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Big 12/PAC reorganization?
(08-16-2017 10:18 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 01:34 PM)Otacon Wrote:  Call me crazy, but I have a feeling that if the dominoes fall, the B1G might just steal WVU.....

WV wouldn't add $50+ mil to the B1G... not to mention the academic reasons. Moreover, if the B12 could click on the undo option, Louisville would be in the conference instead of WV....


If the B12 could hit the redo button it should be to take Louisville & Cincinnati after taking TCU & WV. Then hopefully gone to 14-16 with FSU, Clemson & maybe a pair of friends.

(But I prefer how things actually turned out.)


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(08-19-2017 09:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(08-16-2017 10:18 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 01:34 PM)Otacon Wrote:  Call me crazy, but I have a feeling that if the dominoes fall, the B1G might just steal WVU.....

WV wouldn't add $50+ mil to the B1G... not to mention the academic reasons. Moreover, if the B12 could click on the undo option, Louisville would be in the conference instead of WV....


If the B12 could hit the redo button it should be to take Louisville & Cincinnati after taking TCU & WV. Then hopefully gone to 14-16 with FSU, Clemson & maybe a pair of friends.

(But I prefer how things actually turned out.)


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If the B12 had added BYU with TCU, do you think the ACC still takes Louisville?
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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
(08-21-2017 08:42 PM)Underdog Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 09:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(08-16-2017 10:18 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 01:34 PM)Otacon Wrote:  Call me crazy, but I have a feeling that if the dominoes fall, the B1G might just steal WVU.....

WV wouldn't add $50+ mil to the B1G... not to mention the academic reasons. Moreover, if the B12 could click on the undo option, Louisville would be in the conference instead of WV....


If the B12 could hit the redo button it should be to take Louisville & Cincinnati after taking TCU & WV. Then hopefully gone to 14-16 with FSU, Clemson & maybe a pair of friends.

(But I prefer how things actually turned out.)


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If the B12 had added BYU with TCU, do you think the ACC still takes Louisville?

I agree they would have been in a much stronger position had they taken Cincinnati, Louisville, West Virginia, T.C.U., B.Y.U. and possibly South Florida.

But whether they would have expanded to 12 or 14 or 16 isn't relevant. Oklahoma, Texas, and Kansas never really wanted to tie themselves down with expansion. They wanted open ended options from the time of the initial defections. Moving to 10 was just a way to maintain their status quo financially and buy time to figure out their best moves. Hence no expansion beyond the 10 required to keep the TV contract viable.

So I feel sorry for T.C.U. and W.V.U. because if they are demoted it will be very painful. Sometimes it is better to have never had than to have had and lost.

I think they both have a decent chance of still landing in a P conference but they certainly aren't guaranteed a spot. Louisville is the one who got the golden ticket. But then I've always thought that Jurich was sharper than Luck.

Really the only reason they didn't take Louisville initially was because they weren't willing to pay the extra penalty money for early departure. T.C.U. was an easy choice because they were in between conference homes and merely redirected their move. West Virginia paid the early fees to get out immediately. The door closed then because the Big 12 had all they ever wanted, two warm bodies to cover the TV contract. It really didn't matter which two.
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(08-21-2017 08:42 PM)Underdog Wrote:  If the B12 had added BYU with TCU, do you think the ACC still takes Louisville?

That is an excellent question. I'm sure the ACC would've taken a LONG look at WVU (which it may still add someday).
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(08-21-2017 09:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 08:42 PM)Underdog Wrote:  If the B12 had added BYU with TCU, do you think the ACC still takes Louisville?

That is an excellent question. I'm sure the ACC would've taken a LONG look at WVU (which it may still add someday).

I lean toward WV because it put up 70 on Clemson in a bowl game; thus, it was probably perceived as the better football program at the time—which the ACC was looking for….
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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
(08-21-2017 09:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 08:42 PM)Underdog Wrote:  If the B12 had added BYU with TCU, do you think the ACC still takes Louisville?

That is an excellent question. I'm sure the ACC would've taken a LONG look at WVU (which it may still add someday).

The resurgence of Pitt and Virginia Tech coupled with the addition of W.V.U. is exactly what the ACC needs to be able to split into truer North / South divisions which will make Clemson, Georgia Tech and F.S.U. happier. Better football in the North and the two division champs meeting would be like what the SEC once had with the East and West divisions when Florida and Tennessee were peaking.

I think the SEC will recycle into that but will probably make the transition more permanently if we add two good schools to the West and shift Alabama and Auburn to the East.

But we'll see.
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(08-21-2017 10:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 09:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 08:42 PM)Underdog Wrote:  If the B12 had added BYU with TCU, do you think the ACC still takes Louisville?

That is an excellent question. I'm sure the ACC would've taken a LONG look at WVU (which it may still add someday).

The resurgence of Pitt and Virginia Tech coupled with the addition of W.V.U. is exactly what the ACC needs to be able to split into truer North / South divisions which will make Clemson, Georgia Tech and F.S.U. happier. Better football in the North and the two division champs meeting would be like what the SEC once had with the East and West divisions when Florida and Tennessee were peaking.

I think the SEC will recycle into that but will probably make the transition more permanently if we add two good schools to the West and shift Alabama and Auburn to the East.

But we'll see.

I think the SEC will ultimately set another standard and have 4 divisions of four with 2 semifinal games.
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