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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
How about this?

SEC adds Oklahoma and Oklahoma State

ACC adds West Virginia and Notre Dame

B1G adds Kansas and UConn

PAC adds Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, and Kansas State

American picks up Baylor, Iowa State, BYU, Colorado State, and Boise State

Doubtful the AAC attains Power status with a move like this, but they'll get more money out of it and ESPN will own the property outright.
08-07-2017 04:23 PM
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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
(08-07-2017 04:23 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  How about this?

SEC adds Oklahoma and Oklahoma State

ACC adds West Virginia and Notre Dame

B1G adds Kansas and UConn

PAC adds Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, and Kansas State

American picks up Baylor, Iowa State, BYU, Colorado State, and Boise State

Doubtful the AAC attains Power status with a move like this, but they'll get more money out of it and ESPN will own the property outright.

That's certainly possible, but the PAC may be interested in acquiring two AAU schools and setting up an annual Iowa State / Iowa game with the Big 10.
08-07-2017 04:46 PM
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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
(08-07-2017 04:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 04:23 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  How about this?

SEC adds Oklahoma and Oklahoma State

ACC adds West Virginia and Notre Dame

B1G adds Kansas and UConn

PAC adds Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, and Kansas State

American picks up Baylor, Iowa State, BYU, Colorado State, and Boise State

Doubtful the AAC attains Power status with a move like this, but they'll get more money out of it and ESPN will own the property outright.

That's certainly possible, but the PAC may be interested in acquiring two AAU schools and setting up an annual Iowa State / Iowa game with the Big 10.

SEC with OU & OSU. Makes sense as it acquires a football blue blood to boost Teir 1 inventory and overall content. Texas is the only other possible option, but A&M would go bizzerck and Texas is not the best partner to work with. The SEC would prefer a second school that added a new market, but OSU would be a solid athlete addition.

ACC adding WVU and Norte Dame: Unrealistic. ND is the moby dick of the modern era and WVU has some enemies on Tobacco Road that would prevent membership. I do think the ACC would bend on WVU if ESPN told them to take the mountaineers and paid the conference. I would be disappointed if ND gave up their independence. Now the ACC should be asking Texas if they wanted to join as a partial. If Texas said the ACC neede to take Texas Tech as a full member, then adding WVU makes complete sense in that case.

PAC with Texas, Tech, K State, TCU: Liberals adding conservatives? The PAC saw money with UT in a PAC16 format, but didn't want to alter their schools' access to California by adding the Bedlam schools. Not to mention the PAC Networks barely make money for their schools, only desperate schools would leave the B12 for the poorly capitalized third Teir rights these days. If I'm the PAC, I'd only extend an offer to Texas and Texas Tech.

P4 becomes P5 again? I could see the leftover B12 schools raiding the best of the MWC and American and Sun Belt to create a conference worthy of P4 inclusion. besides, there will still be bowl games that need teams and this will give the up and comers a real shot at the playoffs.
08-08-2017 01:19 AM
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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
Try this:
ACC : Texas (partial), Texas Tech, West Virginia
SEC: OU, OSU
B1G: Kansas, Iowa State

That's seven. So JR, if something is afoot, a plan somewhat similar to this might be what's needed to dissolve the B12. Reason? For networks to become intertwined with the last major sporting league that won't necessarily want to directly skip the broadcasters and deliver its product directly to the consumer.
08-08-2017 01:31 AM
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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
Call me crazy, but I have a feeling that if the dominoes fall, the B1G might just steal WVU.....
08-09-2017 01:34 PM
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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
(08-09-2017 01:34 PM)Otacon Wrote:  Call me crazy, but I have a feeling that if the dominoes fall, the B1G might just steal WVU.....

I think you would help their Eastern Division immensely. I'm just not sold they would do it. But that said, I don't think you will be left out of conference membership somewhere.

Today Disney stated that they would be increasing their inventory of fresh product for all of their viewing options which includes more live programming for ESPN. It looks like they are going to spend money on inventory in preparation for a streaming world. I think that is the glove being tossed for their full pursuit of product they currently split with FOX in the Big 12 and PAC. We'll see.
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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
(08-09-2017 01:34 PM)Otacon Wrote:  Call me crazy, but I have a feeling that if the dominoes fall, the B1G might just steal WVU.....

It would certainly make things easier if they were willing to make a move like that.
08-09-2017 02:39 PM
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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
(07-11-2017 06:16 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I haven't posted a crazy theory in a while and I've got the itch so I was thinking about this today...

I'm not trying to piggyback on the Dude here because I think he has no clue what he's talking about, but let's assume for a moment that the financial issues and distribution difficulties of the PAC do indeed lead to trouble on the West Coast.

I do NOT think the Big 12 is going to snag PAC schools. I think perhaps the geographical limitations will prevent the B1G or the SEC from doing so either. But let's think back to the last time 2 leagues with relative proximity were both having financial issues coupled with demographic shortfalls...the Big 8 and the SWC died off and the remnants reformed as the Big 12.

What if we see something akin to this happen again?

What if ESPN decides to go all in with the PAC once the contract is up in the early 2020s with this sort of scenario in mind?

PAC drops Washington State and Oregon State

Big 12 drops Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, and West Virginia

The remnants merge with an ESPN owned 3rd Tier network that combines the existing PACN with the LHN...

The Pacific Western Conference?

West: UCLA, USC, California, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Arizona State

East: Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State


Thoughts?

Bullet has mentioned this possibility and as time goes by I think the idea is gaining plausibility, being that the traditional method of poaching might lead to too many programs left in the lurch and schools like Texsa, OU and KU don't want to go to a conference outside their core region if they could help themselves.

Economics being what they are should the PAC and Big 12 merge then there will be no other moves by the other major conferences other than maybe the ACC looking at West Virginia or Notre Dame joining in football. At some point the values of the Big Ten, SEC and a merged PAC/B12 would be as such that no other school could add to their values. And the ACC would still be somewhat protected by the fact that they're more valuable stuck together than split off into individual pieces.

So the Big Ten and SEC would remain at 14 each, the PacXVI going to 16 and being the conference for the three most Westerly timezones would be a great outcome considering the alternatives and the ACC being the ACC.

My questions are:

- Would the PAC presidents forego their ego and pride if they realize this is the only way to end their conference's geographic isolation?

- Who would have the media contract?

The AAC would be a beneficiary by getting the leftovers from the programs the PACXVI can't afford to bring along. They'd finally have the pieces to create a national conference.

Say Wazzu, BYU, Colorado State, Oregon State and Boise represent the West.

KState, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Memphis

Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, Navy, East Carolina

UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Temple

West Virginia could slip to take Cincinnati's place, depending.
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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
(08-09-2017 01:34 PM)Otacon Wrote:  Call me crazy, but I have a feeling that if the dominoes fall, the B1G might just steal WVU.....


https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/b...aaf,227789

Bill Stewart's prediction (March 2010)
"It's exciting. It's disheartening as well. ... The Big Ten could [affect the Big East], they'll pick a couple of our teams. However, the SEC and the ACC will also do the same, so that's exciting. I don't know where we're going to land. We could land, whatever, in one of maybe three conferences, the ACC, the SEC, maybe the Big Ten.
"But right now, we're still Big East and we need to keep that focus. And that's the disheartening thing, when you break up a Big East contingency like we had. We had a lot of fun, a lot of rivals, and I hate to see that end. But there are exciting times on the horizon with new conferences. We'll be in one of them. Which one I don't know. I really don't. But that's down the road a couple of years, I do believe."
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RE: Big 12/PAC reorganization?
(08-16-2017 08:12 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 01:34 PM)Otacon Wrote:  Call me crazy, but I have a feeling that if the dominoes fall, the B1G might just steal WVU.....


https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/b...aaf,227789

Bill Stewart's prediction (March 2010)
"It's exciting. It's disheartening as well. ... The Big Ten could [affect the Big East], they'll pick a couple of our teams. However, the SEC and the ACC will also do the same, so that's exciting. I don't know where we're going to land. We could land, whatever, in one of maybe three conferences, the ACC, the SEC, maybe the Big Ten.
"But right now, we're still Big East and we need to keep that focus. And that's the disheartening thing, when you break up a Big East contingency like we had. We had a lot of fun, a lot of rivals, and I hate to see that end. But there are exciting times on the horizon with new conferences. We'll be in one of them. Which one I don't know. I really don't. But that's down the road a couple of years, I do believe."

Well, I tell you what...

If the Big Ten was willing to take West Virginia and Kansas then we could wrap this thing up easy peasy.

SEC takes Oklahoma and Oklahoma State

ACC takes Notre Dame and Cincinnati

B1G takes Kansas and West Virginia

PAC takes Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, and Iowa State
08-16-2017 08:29 AM
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