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RE: CAA tourney format changing, new TV deal
(07-14-2017 01:03 AM)geewizNU Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 12:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 12:10 PM)Dash Rip Rock Jr Wrote:  Nothing says crappy conference more than playing conference tournament games on home courts

I disagree

Nothing says crappy conference like 1000 people or less in a 14K seat arena, which is what may happen.

Let's be honest, in D1 hoops you can count the number of sold out or near capacity crowds for conference tournaments on one hand.

No one is watching Milwaukee vs Northern Kentucky in Joe Louis Arena on a Monday night. Who cares.

If its NU vs. Hofstra in Charleston so be it. Luck of the draw. Why obsess about TV look. No one is watching anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like a sellout too, but it can't happen all the time.

of course I agree with you 100%

BUT

you have to put yourself in the best position.

Charleston was a good location for the fan bases that would travel. A Monday night made sense because that allowed the traveling fan bases to make a weekend of the tournament. Monday night was always going to be a crap shoot depending on where it was and who was playing. Its still a crap shoot on Tuesday, but the reward is much less. Charleston UNCW (the best money matchup the CAA can get in Charleston) will draw less on a Tuesday than it will on a Monday. If your best money matchup will draw less than it is safe to assume that all matchups will draw less. Now some schools like Hofstra and NE will draw flies in Charleston no matter when and where you play, but others like JMU and the Tribe will also draw less on a Tuesday than on a Monday in Charleston simply due to logistics.

So not only has the CAA decreased the potential championship payoff by moving the championship game from Monday to Tuesday, they have absolutely massacred Semifinal Sunday. Best case scenario on Semifinal Sunday would have been JMU, W&M, UNCW, and CoC in whatever combination. That would have drawn a pretty good crowd on a Sunday. However, that crowd on a Monday will draw much much less. Again, due to logistics.

Even QF Saturday being on Sunday is a negative as who wants to go to Charleston on a Sunday knowing your team might lose? If your team loses on a Saturday you can still enjoy the part of Saturday you are not in the coliseum as well as a relaxing Sunday with plenty of time to get home for work on Monday. That is gone.

Now the CAA tournament will be only for the hardest, and financially welloff, of hardcores, and whatever casual crowd the city of Charleston can muster, which to be honest, was underwhelming last year.

And they are doing this for what??? Money? No. ESPN exposure? No.
They are doing this to get on an upper level cable sports channel no one watches.

In VA/MD is the casual fan more likely to watch Comcast Sports, the channel with the Wizards and Capitals, or CBS Sports Network. Same question in NY, Boston, and Philly/DE, SNY (the channel with the Mets), Comcast New England (the channel with the Celtics), Comcast Philly (the channel with all Philly pro sports teams) or CBS Sports Network.

Now throw in the southern schools. Are people in Charleston, Wilmington, and Greensboro more likely to watch a local channel on basic cable available over the air for free to anyone or CBS Sports Network.

There is just nothing positive about this decision and that is coming from a guy mullet has described as a CAA homer.
07-14-2017 10:07 AM
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RE: CAA tourney format changing, new TV deal
(07-14-2017 10:07 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 01:03 AM)geewizNU Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 12:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 12:10 PM)Dash Rip Rock Jr Wrote:  Nothing says crappy conference more than playing conference tournament games on home courts

I disagree

Nothing says crappy conference like 1000 people or less in a 14K seat arena, which is what may happen.

Let's be honest, in D1 hoops you can count the number of sold out or near capacity crowds for conference tournaments on one hand.

No one is watching Milwaukee vs Northern Kentucky in Joe Louis Arena on a Monday night. Who cares.

If its NU vs. Hofstra in Charleston so be it. Luck of the draw. Why obsess about TV look. No one is watching anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like a sellout too, but it can't happen all the time.

of course I agree with you 100%

BUT

you have to put yourself in the best position.

Charleston was a good location for the fan bases that would travel. A Monday night made sense because that allowed the traveling fan bases to make a weekend of the tournament. Monday night was always going to be a crap shoot depending on where it was and who was playing. Its still a crap shoot on Tuesday, but the reward is much less. Charleston UNCW (the best money matchup the CAA can get in Charleston) will draw less on a Tuesday than it will on a Monday. If your best money matchup will draw less than it is safe to assume that all matchups will draw less. Now some schools like Hofstra and NE will draw flies in Charleston no matter when and where you play, but others like JMU and the Tribe will also draw less on a Tuesday than on a Monday in Charleston simply due to logistics.

So not only has the CAA decreased the potential championship payoff by moving the championship game from Monday to Tuesday, they have absolutely massacred Semifinal Sunday. Best case scenario on Semifinal Sunday would have been JMU, W&M, UNCW, and CoC in whatever combination. That would have drawn a pretty good crowd on a Sunday. However, that crowd on a Monday will draw much much less. Again, due to logistics.

Even QF Saturday being on Sunday is a negative as who wants to go to Charleston on a Sunday knowing your team might lose? If your team loses on a Saturday you can still enjoy the part of Saturday you are not in the coliseum as well as a relaxing Sunday with plenty of time to get home for work on Monday. That is gone.

Now the CAA tournament will be only for the hardest, and financially welloff, of hardcores, and whatever casual crowd the city of Charleston can muster, which to be honest, was underwhelming last year.

And they are doing this for what??? Money? No. ESPN exposure? No.
They are doing this to get on an upper level cable sports channel no one watches.

In VA/MD is the casual fan more likely to watch Comcast Sports, the channel with the Wizards and Capitals, or CBS Sports Network. Same question in NY, Boston, and Philly/DE, SNY (the channel with the Mets), Comcast New England (the channel with the Celtics), Comcast Philly (the channel with all Philly pro sports teams) or CBS Sports Network.

Now throw in the southern schools. Are people in Charleston, Wilmington, and Greensboro more likely to watch a local channel on basic cable available over the air for free to anyone or CBS Sports Network.

There is just nothing positive about this decision and that is coming from a guy mullet has described as a CAA homer.

Oh I don't like this new format one bit.

I posted it on Dieharddogs and every alum said there's no way they could miss three work days to see a championship.
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RE: CAA tourney format changing, new TV deal
Another lesser reason why they are doing this is perhaps for the students that are on spring break during this week. UNCW, W&M, JMU, and Northeastern have spring break during CAA tournament week next year, while CofC is still in school for another week.

I guess they think people will travel from up north, make a couple of days of it on their way to/from Florida, and go that way. CofC would probably set up shuttles from downtown Charleston to take students to the Coliseum.

Last year, since it was spring break, there were few CofC students for the first game, maybe 50 or so for game 2, and the section was filled for the finals, while UNCW filled their section for at least the semis and the finals, and probably the first game too.

The semifinals last year drew 4,708 fans. And that was with CofC playing in a good slot, 4:30 on a Sunday. UNCW and William & Mary brought as many fans as CofC did. The championship drew 6,342.

You can't expect families to stay till 11 or 11:30pm on a weeknight to watch semifinal games of a non-major league. The ACC and other major leagues can do that because of all the boosters that usually buy these tickets for these tourneys, while the CAA and other leagues at our level don't have as much of that.

Also, most of CofC's fan base is to the south of the Coliseum. Mostly West Ashley, downtown Charleston, Mount Pleasant, and James Island, so they would have to drive 15-20 minutes or more to get home. You saw this last year during the finals. Many of our fans were late-arriving, because they were either headed there straight from work downtown or Mount Pleasant.

I could understand doing this for FS1/2 or a ESPN net, but not for a network that even sports fans don't often know exists. NBCSN was basically out of the question because of their expansion of their hockey package, which draws more younger viewers than mid-major basketball.
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RE: CAA tourney format changing, new TV deal
(07-14-2017 12:19 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Another lesser reason why they are doing this is perhaps for the students that are on spring break during this week. UNCW, W&M, JMU, and Northeastern have spring break during CAA tournament week next year, while CofC is still in school for another week.

I guess they think people will travel from up north, make a couple of days of it on their way to/from Florida, and go that way. CofC would probably set up shuttles from downtown Charleston to take students to the Coliseum.

Last year, since it was spring break, there were few CofC students for the first game, maybe 50 or so for game 2, and the section was filled for the finals, while UNCW filled their section for at least the semis and the finals, and probably the first game too.

The semifinals last year drew 4,708 fans. And that was with CofC playing in a good slot, 4:30 on a Sunday. UNCW and William & Mary brought as many fans as CofC did. The championship drew 6,342.

You can't expect families to stay till 11 or 11:30pm on a weeknight to watch semifinal games of a non-major league. The ACC and other major leagues can do that because of all the boosters that usually buy these tickets for these tourneys, while the CAA and other leagues at our level don't have as much of that.

Also, most of CofC's fan base is to the south of the Coliseum. Mostly West Ashley, downtown Charleston, Mount Pleasant, and James Island, so they would have to drive 15-20 minutes or more to get home. You saw this last year during the finals. Many of our fans were late-arriving, because they were either headed there straight from work downtown or Mount Pleasant.

I could understand doing this for FS1/2 or a ESPN net, but not for a network that even sports fans don't often know exists. NBCSN was basically out of the question because of their expansion of their hockey package, which draws more younger viewers than mid-major basketball.

And I thought we couldn't do any worse than Tom Yeager. Boy was I naive....
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RE: CAA tourney format changing, new TV deal
What is this new guys plan?

Seriously. What are his goals?

Last year at this time ESPN had our football media day on espn3. However that never amounted to anything and now the conference is 1 month away from football season and 4 months from basketball season with nothing except a terrible in many regards basketball championship deal.

The only thing I can think of is that we are going all in with the new Stadium Network, which is just the American Sports Network with a new name and better internet distribution, and CAA.TV
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