(07-27-2017 01:26 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 10:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 10:31 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 10:12 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2018

Of note:

#88 Tyler Harris
#122 Alex Lomax
#128 Ryan Boyce

I will admit I do not know what all goes into ranking these players, that said I sat right near half court and saw Lomax dismantle Harris. He chewed him up as if Harris was a fifth grader. It wasn't even close. I went to the game to see two great guards battle each other and it wasn't close. If left alone (un-guarded) I'm sure he would score plenty, but obviously Penny told Lomax face guard the heck out of him and be physical and shut him down, and that's what happened. I believe Lomax is better than his ranking.
Please understand and know this Saluki, I am not at all trying to argue with you or the rankings that you've posted or just how good Lomax is. Just wanted to add first hand what I saw and that I think Lomax is better than the ranking he's been given.

I have not seen Boyce play but have been hearing great things about him. I plan on checking him out this upcoming season.

Nobody is saying that Lomax is bad and let's assume that we agree that he is better than his ranking. Everything in the history of recruiting, first year players, first year point guards and first year point guards that aren't tall, point to them taking a long time to adjust to the game and excel, if they ever do.

I also understand that Joe Jackson wasn't a pure point guard, but he still took a long time to become a good player, and Willie Kemp was much more highly regarded than Lomax and he never really put it together.

We all get that Lomax is a good recruit, all we are saying is that it is extremely unreasonable and unfair of our own fans to expect him to come in and be an above average D1 point guard his first two seasons.

Jackson could have matured and transitioned in 2 years had he been working with a coaching staff that could actually help transition him. Pastner was a great "face" for the program when we got him, unfortunately player development was far from his strong suite. I wish him nothing the best though.

Damon Stoudamire and Jason Gardner send their regards for this well thought out and reasoned post.

(07-27-2017 01:45 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 01:26 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 10:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 10:31 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 10:12 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2018

Of note:

#88 Tyler Harris
#122 Alex Lomax
#128 Ryan Boyce

I will admit I do not know what all goes into ranking these players, that said I sat right near half court and saw Lomax dismantle Harris. He chewed him up as if Harris was a fifth grader. It wasn't even close. I went to the game to see two great guards battle each other and it wasn't close. If left alone (un-guarded) I'm sure he would score plenty, but obviously Penny told Lomax face guard the heck out of him and be physical and shut him down, and that's what happened. I believe Lomax is better than his ranking.
Please understand and know this Saluki, I am not at all trying to argue with you or the rankings that you've posted or just how good Lomax is. Just wanted to add first hand what I saw and that I think Lomax is better than the ranking he's been given.

I have not seen Boyce play but have been hearing great things about him. I plan on checking him out this upcoming season.

Nobody is saying that Lomax is bad and let's assume that we agree that he is better than his ranking. Everything in the history of recruiting, first year players, first year point guards and first year point guards that aren't tall, point to them taking a long time to adjust to the game and excel, if they ever do.

I also understand that Joe Jackson wasn't a pure point guard, but he still took a long time to become a good player, and Willie Kemp was much more highly regarded than Lomax and he never really put it together.

We all get that Lomax is a good recruit, all we are saying is that it is extremely unreasonable and unfair of our own fans to expect him to come in and be an above average D1 point guard his first two seasons.

Jackson could have matured and transitioned in 2 years had he been working with a coaching staff that could actually help transition him. Pastner was a great "face" for the program when we got him, unfortunately player development was far from his strong suite. I wish him nothing the best though.

Damon Stoudamire and Jason Gardner send their regards for this well thought out and reasoned post.

Wouldn't you say it was interesting how well Joe was playing when Damon was around? He was knocking down 3s and playing hard defense. Damon left, and Joe was back to shooting 3's off the dribble and playing ole defense.

(07-28-2017 01:20 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 01:45 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 01:26 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 10:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 10:31 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  I will admit I do not know what all goes into ranking these players, that said I sat right near half court and saw Lomax dismantle Harris. He chewed him up as if Harris was a fifth grader. It wasn't even close. I went to the game to see two great guards battle each other and it wasn't close. If left alone (un-guarded) I'm sure he would score plenty, but obviously Penny told Lomax face guard the heck out of him and be physical and shut him down, and that's what happened. I believe Lomax is better than his ranking.
Please understand and know this Saluki, I am not at all trying to argue with you or the rankings that you've posted or just how good Lomax is. Just wanted to add first hand what I saw and that I think Lomax is better than the ranking he's been given.

I have not seen Boyce play but have been hearing great things about him. I plan on checking him out this upcoming season.

Nobody is saying that Lomax is bad and let's assume that we agree that he is better than his ranking. Everything in the history of recruiting, first year players, first year point guards and first year point guards that aren't tall, point to them taking a long time to adjust to the game and excel, if they ever do.

I also understand that Joe Jackson wasn't a pure point guard, but he still took a long time to become a good player, and Willie Kemp was much more highly regarded than Lomax and he never really put it together.

We all get that Lomax is a good recruit, all we are saying is that it is extremely unreasonable and unfair of our own fans to expect him to come in and be an above average D1 point guard his first two seasons.

Jackson could have matured and transitioned in 2 years had he been working with a coaching staff that could actually help transition him. Pastner was a great "face" for the program when we got him, unfortunately player development was far from his strong suite. I wish him nothing the best though.

Damon Stoudamire and Jason Gardner send their regards for this well thought out and reasoned post.

Wouldn't you say it was interesting how well Joe was playing when Damon was around? He was knocking down 3s and playing hard defense. Damon left, and Joe was back to shooting 3's off the dribble and playing ole defense.

if he could have been smarter on offense with his ball handling he would have been ok. turnovers overshadowed anything positive he accomplished his first two years unfortunately

If we would've had an experienced coach who could communicate, JoeJackson might've been smarter on offense.

That's what even the best kids do when they go up a notch, especially if they get plunked into an ungelled team with a rookie coach.

We can't seem to put the two together....lately...
good players with a good coach.

We had an inkling of it for half a year last season, btw.

(07-28-2017 03:12 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  If we would've had an experienced coach who could communicate, JoeJackson might've been smarter on offense.

That's what even the best kids do when they go up a notch, especially if they get plunked into an ungelled team with a rookie coach.

We can't seem to put the two together....lately...
good players with a good coach.

We had an inkling of it for half a year last season, btw.

I think unfortunately that our record the first half of the season was better than our play indicated it should have been. I agree, with a better coach Joe had a great upside, possibly in his first year. Fundamentals are key, hopefully Team Tubby can get the kids transitioned properly over the summer and ready to play in a few months!

(07-28-2017 01:20 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 01:45 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 01:26 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 10:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 10:31 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  I will admit I do not know what all goes into ranking these players, that said I sat right near half court and saw Lomax dismantle Harris. He chewed him up as if Harris was a fifth grader. It wasn't even close. I went to the game to see two great guards battle each other and it wasn't close. If left alone (un-guarded) I'm sure he would score plenty, but obviously Penny told Lomax face guard the heck out of him and be physical and shut him down, and that's what happened. I believe Lomax is better than his ranking.
Please understand and know this Saluki, I am not at all trying to argue with you or the rankings that you've posted or just how good Lomax is. Just wanted to add first hand what I saw and that I think Lomax is better than the ranking he's been given.

I have not seen Boyce play but have been hearing great things about him. I plan on checking him out this upcoming season.

Nobody is saying that Lomax is bad and let's assume that we agree that he is better than his ranking. Everything in the history of recruiting, first year players, first year point guards and first year point guards that aren't tall, point to them taking a long time to adjust to the game and excel, if they ever do.

I also understand that Joe Jackson wasn't a pure point guard, but he still took a long time to become a good player, and Willie Kemp was much more highly regarded than Lomax and he never really put it together.

We all get that Lomax is a good recruit, all we are saying is that it is extremely unreasonable and unfair of our own fans to expect him to come in and be an above average D1 point guard his first two seasons.

Jackson could have matured and transitioned in 2 years had he been working with a coaching staff that could actually help transition him. Pastner was a great "face" for the program when we got him, unfortunately player development was far from his strong suite. I wish him nothing the best though.

Damon Stoudamire and Jason Gardner send their regards for this well thought out and reasoned post.

Wouldn't you say it was interesting how well Joe was playing when Damon was around? He was knocking down 3s and playing hard defense. Damon left, and Joe was back to shooting 3's off the dribble and playing ole defense.

His sophomore season was still a bit rough. His junior season is one of the best overall seasons for a point guard in Memphis history. His senior season, I thought he continued to progress as far as running a team goes, but he lost his outside shot.

(07-28-2017 03:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 01:20 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 01:45 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 01:26 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 10:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Nobody is saying that Lomax is bad and let's assume that we agree that he is better than his ranking. Everything in the history of recruiting, first year players, first year point guards and first year point guards that aren't tall, point to them taking a long time to adjust to the game and excel, if they ever do.

I also understand that Joe Jackson wasn't a pure point guard, but he still took a long time to become a good player, and Willie Kemp was much more highly regarded than Lomax and he never really put it together.

We all get that Lomax is a good recruit, all we are saying is that it is extremely unreasonable and unfair of our own fans to expect him to come in and be an above average D1 point guard his first two seasons.

Jackson could have matured and transitioned in 2 years had he been working with a coaching staff that could actually help transition him. Pastner was a great "face" for the program when we got him, unfortunately player development was far from his strong suite. I wish him nothing the best though.

Damon Stoudamire and Jason Gardner send their regards for this well thought out and reasoned post.

Wouldn't you say it was interesting how well Joe was playing when Damon was around? He was knocking down 3s and playing hard defense. Damon left, and Joe was back to shooting 3's off the dribble and playing ole defense.

His sophomore season was still a bit rough. His junior season is one of the best overall seasons for a point guard in Memphis history. His senior season, I thought he continued to progress as far as running a team goes, but he lost his outside shot.

His junior season he would only take a 3 when he was set and squared up to the basket. His senior season he was tossing up 3s off the dribble and not set. I felt like a lot of that was due to trying to compete with Dixon who was taking 3s the same way.

I would be elated if Tubby could recruit someone of Joe's caliber. I miss him.

(07-28-2017 04:02 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 03:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 01:20 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 01:45 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 01:26 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  Jackson could have matured and transitioned in 2 years had he been working with a coaching staff that could actually help transition him. Pastner was a great "face" for the program when we got him, unfortunately player development was far from his strong suite. I wish him nothing the best though.

Damon Stoudamire and Jason Gardner send their regards for this well thought out and reasoned post.

Wouldn't you say it was interesting how well Joe was playing when Damon was around? He was knocking down 3s and playing hard defense. Damon left, and Joe was back to shooting 3's off the dribble and playing ole defense.

His sophomore season was still a bit rough. His junior season is one of the best overall seasons for a point guard in Memphis history. His senior season, I thought he continued to progress as far as running a team goes, but he lost his outside shot.

His junior season he would only take a 3 when he was set and squared up to the basket. His senior season he was tossing up 3s off the dribble and not set. I felt like a lot of that was due to trying to compete with Dixon who was taking 3s the same way.

Talk about useless what ifs! Every once in awhile I think about what if we hadn't brought Dixon in to the mix .

(07-28-2017 04:41 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I would be elated if Tubby could recruit someone of Joe's caliber. I miss him.

I agree, even though his numbers could have been a little better had player development been a priority, the kid played with his heart and every time I saw him on the floor, he was hustling, and always appeared to give %100. I miss seeing that fire in our players. One of my favorite games I have attended since Cal leaving was @ So. Miss (12-13)when Crawford made somewhere between 3-5 3's in a row. The whole team played selfless ball, they had fun, and we won. We had seats right behind our bench, and I almost got in a wrestling match with the Golden Eagle mascot. A good time was had by all, just glad we left after the game and missed the tornado the next day...