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RE: The Legendary Pan American Center (1968-Present)
(07-11-2017 11:49 AM)RunnerBall Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:47 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  This is the problem I have with this thread. I really don't care that we averaged almost 10000 in the past. What are we doing now? We can't even average 5000. Now granted, those 5000 are loud and even though we don't give away tickets like GCU or pack the gym with 3rd graders like Bakersfield, those 5 thousand are raucous and loud. NmSU still has the best home record by far not only in the Wac but in the nation. I'm hoping for bigger crowds but if we keep winning with 5000 and making Dan Majerle almost cry I'm happy with that. However, I don't think none of our current WAC mates care about our storied past or attendance stories. It's about as relavent as Seattles Final Four appearance in 1958.
And Bako or GCU fans (or some others in conference) AREN'T raucous and loud? Hey, at least most schools attendance can be said to be increading, not decreasing.

Currently mobile....8th floor of the Padre Hotel.

It's hard to get historical attendance numbers of all the WAC teams but here are the best attendance figures I could find on each school...

Cal State Bakersfield (1999) - 3,279
Chicago State (1985) - 1,739
Grand Canyon (2017) - 6,817
New Mexico State (1991) - 10,545
Seattle U (2011) - 4,614
UM Kansas City (2005) - 3,671
UT Rio Grande Valley (1990) - 3,537
Utah Valley (2012) - 2,952

NMSU has struggle to increase their attendance but it can be attributed to three factors...

1. The increase in ticket prices and changes in designated seating.
2. The change in WAC membership and Aggie fans difficulty to relate with the teams.
3. The disconnect between the Aggie fans and Coach Menzies over the years; as he continued to lose to UNM.

Aggie Attendance since joining the WAC...

2005: 4,781 - (6-22) - Last season in SBC, ailing Lou Henson leaves team midway through season.
2006: 6,525 - (16-14) Reggie Theus, first year in the WAC
2007: 9,413 - (25-9) Reggie Theus - NCAA Tournament - the creation of Reggie Nation.
2008: 6,153 - (21-14) Marvin Menzies - ticket price increase coincide with Menzies first season.
2009: 6,240 - (17-15) Marvin Menzies
2010: 5,659 - (22-12) Marvin Menzies - NCAA Tournament, probably Menzies' best Aggie team.
2011: 5,860 - (16-17) Marvin Menzies
2012: 5,572 - (26-10) Marvin Menzies - NCAA Tournament
2013: 6,213 - (24-11) Marvin Menzies - NCAA Tournament
2014: 5,948 - (26-10) Marvin Menzies - NCAA Tournament
2015: 6,150 - (23-10) Marvin Menzies - NCAA Tournament
2016: 4,768 - (23-11) Marvin Menzies - NIT
2017: 4,886 - (28-6) Paul Weir - NCAA Tournament
2018: ????? - (??-?) Chris Jans
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RE: The Legendary Pan American Center (1968-Present)
(07-11-2017 11:19 AM)ProfScott Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 09:15 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  I don't get what the big deal is. Don't like the thread, don't click on it. We're fooling ourselves if we think we can be picky with with content/discussion topics in today's WAC. We should take every fan with open arms.

Also, Frank is responding to a discussion that started on Twitter about best home-court advantage in the WAC. A worthy topic in this barren sports month.

Okay, since apparently this discussion is about the best home court advantage in the WAC, I will throw out some attendance numbers. Here are the home attendance figures for the last four years. As a whole the WAC is trending upward which is positive. However, only two schools (GCU & NMSU) sit above average so the WAC is still bottom heavy in terms of attendance. CSUB is showing lots of improvement though (from last to fourth) and even CSU is showing some improvement. Those on somewhat of a decline are SU and NMSU. Perhaps NMSU's touted home court advantage may be "a thing" but it may not be for long if the current trend continues.


2016-17 Season
ATTENDANCE Home Avg
GCU 18 6817
NMSU 17 4886
WAC Average 118 2990
UVU 13 2940
CSUB 13 2685
SU 16 1405
UMKC 17 1335
UTRGV 14 1304
CSU 10 1047

2015-16 Season
ATTENDANCE Home Avg
GCU 20 5806
NMSU 16 4768
WAV Average 123 2693
UVU 14 2384
SU 19 1675
CSUB 15 1658
UMKC 13 1529
UTRGV 13 1134
CSU 13 1092

2014-15 Season
ATTENDANCE Home Avg
NMSU 17 6150
GCU 21 5413
WAV Average 120 2821
UVU 13 2086
SU 18 2059
UMKC 13 1597
UTRGV 12 1174
CSUB 14 1115
CSU 12 466

2013-14 Season
ATTENDANCE Home Avg
NMSU 15 5948
GCU 12 4373
WAC Average 123 2365
UVU 15 2217
SU 14 2193
UMKC 14 1677
IU 13 1430
CSUB 13 1264
UTRGV 13 1053
CSUB 14 937

"If the current trend continues"? You're citing the wrong metric. NM State's attendance dropped slightly but home wins went up.

And NMSU's homecourt advantage "perhaps may be a thing"? We went 5 years without losing a single home conference game--something like 70-1 in home conference play since 2012.

There may be some differences in game environment but currently WAC home-court advantage would rank:
1. NM State
2. Bakersfield
3. GCU
4. UVU
5. The field

I hope other WAC teams can build up their home-court advantage. UVU and Bakersfield have tons of potential. Isn't Bakersfield getting some upgrades to their gym?
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RE: The Legendary Pan American Center (1968-Present)
(07-11-2017 12:57 PM)pistolp747 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 11:19 AM)ProfScott Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 09:15 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  I don't get what the big deal is. Don't like the thread, don't click on it. We're fooling ourselves if we think we can be picky with with content/discussion topics in today's WAC. We should take every fan with open arms.

Also, Frank is responding to a discussion that started on Twitter about best home-court advantage in the WAC. A worthy topic in this barren sports month.

Okay, since apparently this discussion is about the best home court advantage in the WAC, I will throw out some attendance numbers. Here are the home attendance figures for the last four years. As a whole the WAC is trending upward which is positive. However, only two schools (GCU & NMSU) sit above average so the WAC is still bottom heavy in terms of attendance. CSUB is showing lots of improvement though (from last to fourth) and even CSU is showing some improvement. Those on somewhat of a decline are SU and NMSU. Perhaps NMSU's touted home court advantage may be "a thing" but it may not be for long if the current trend continues.


2016-17 Season
ATTENDANCE Home Avg
GCU 18 6817
NMSU 17 4886
WAC Average 118 2990
UVU 13 2940
CSUB 13 2685
SU 16 1405
UMKC 17 1335
UTRGV 14 1304
CSU 10 1047

2015-16 Season
ATTENDANCE Home Avg
GCU 20 5806
NMSU 16 4768
WAV Average 123 2693
UVU 14 2384
SU 19 1675
CSUB 15 1658
UMKC 13 1529
UTRGV 13 1134
CSU 13 1092

2014-15 Season
ATTENDANCE Home Avg
NMSU 17 6150
GCU 21 5413
WAV Average 120 2821
UVU 13 2086
SU 18 2059
UMKC 13 1597
UTRGV 12 1174
CSUB 14 1115
CSU 12 466

2013-14 Season
ATTENDANCE Home Avg
NMSU 15 5948
GCU 12 4373
WAC Average 123 2365
UVU 15 2217
SU 14 2193
UMKC 14 1677
IU 13 1430
CSUB 13 1264
UTRGV 13 1053
CSUB 14 937

"If the current trend continues"? You're citing the wrong metric. NM State's attendance dropped slightly but home wins went up.

And NMSU's homecourt advantage "perhaps may be a thing"? We went 5 years without losing a single home conference game--something like 70-1 in home conference play since 2012.

There may be some differences in game environment but currently WAC home-court advantage would rank:
1. NM State
2. Bakersfield
3. GCU
4. UVU
5. The field

I hope other WAC teams can build up their home-court advantage. UVU and Bakersfield have tons of potential. Isn't Bakersfield getting some upgrades to their gym?

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Is this a serious list??
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RE: The Legendary Pan American Center (1968-Present)
(07-11-2017 01:56 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 12:57 PM)pistolp747 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 11:19 AM)ProfScott Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 09:15 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  I don't get what the big deal is. Don't like the thread, don't click on it. We're fooling ourselves if we think we can be picky with with content/discussion topics in today's WAC. We should take every fan with open arms.

Also, Frank is responding to a discussion that started on Twitter about best home-court advantage in the WAC. A worthy topic in this barren sports month.

Okay, since apparently this discussion is about the best home court advantage in the WAC, I will throw out some attendance numbers. Here are the home attendance figures for the last four years. As a whole the WAC is trending upward which is positive. However, only two schools (GCU & NMSU) sit above average so the WAC is still bottom heavy in terms of attendance. CSUB is showing lots of improvement though (from last to fourth) and even CSU is showing some improvement. Those on somewhat of a decline are SU and NMSU. Perhaps NMSU's touted home court advantage may be "a thing" but it may not be for long if the current trend continues.

"If the current trend continues"? You're citing the wrong metric. NM State's attendance dropped slightly but home wins went up.

And NMSU's homecourt advantage "perhaps may be a thing"? We went 5 years without losing a single home conference game--something like 70-1 in home conference play since 2012.

There may be some differences in game environment but currently WAC home-court advantage would rank:
1. NM State
2. Bakersfield
3. GCU
4. UVU
5. The field

I hope other WAC teams can build up their home-court advantage. UVU and Bakersfield have tons of potential. Isn't Bakersfield getting some upgrades to their gym?

Is this a serious list??

I think 747 is taking external factor besides just attendance to establish a home court advantage.

The cozy confines and blue court of the Icardo Center make it difficult to beat CSUB on their court.

The vastness and acoustics of the Pan American Center... and, its' dead spots on the removable parquet floor give our Aggies a distinct advantage.

And, GCU is all about the Havoc and an amped up PA system. The main thing missing is GCU's talent on the court. Once Majerle consistently brings high D1 talent, then GCU will be "very" difficult to beat on their court.

Keep in mind, we are talking "home court advantage"; not arena game atmosphere. Currently, GCU games have the best game atmosphere. The place definitely rocks!

However, "if" Jans can replicate the teams his mentor has produced at Wichita State, then you will see the game atmosphere Aggie fans are capable of generating in the PAC. It can be as loud as a jet engine. I am hoping WAC fans will see a glimpse of this when NMSU meets UNM in the PAC this season. Aggie fans have an axe to grind.
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RE: The Legendary Pan American Center (1968-Present)
(07-11-2017 02:38 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 01:56 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 12:57 PM)pistolp747 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 11:19 AM)ProfScott Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 09:15 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  I don't get what the big deal is. Don't like the thread, don't click on it. We're fooling ourselves if we think we can be picky with with content/discussion topics in today's WAC. We should take every fan with open arms.

Also, Frank is responding to a discussion that started on Twitter about best home-court advantage in the WAC. A worthy topic in this barren sports month.

Okay, since apparently this discussion is about the best home court advantage in the WAC, I will throw out some attendance numbers. Here are the home attendance figures for the last four years. As a whole the WAC is trending upward which is positive. However, only two schools (GCU & NMSU) sit above average so the WAC is still bottom heavy in terms of attendance. CSUB is showing lots of improvement though (from last to fourth) and even CSU is showing some improvement. Those on somewhat of a decline are SU and NMSU. Perhaps NMSU's touted home court advantage may be "a thing" but it may not be for long if the current trend continues.

"If the current trend continues"? You're citing the wrong metric. NM State's attendance dropped slightly but home wins went up.

And NMSU's homecourt advantage "perhaps may be a thing"? We went 5 years without losing a single home conference game--something like 70-1 in home conference play since 2012.

There may be some differences in game environment but currently WAC home-court advantage would rank:
1. NM State
2. Bakersfield
3. GCU
4. UVU
5. The field

I hope other WAC teams can build up their home-court advantage. UVU and Bakersfield have tons of potential. Isn't Bakersfield getting some upgrades to their gym?

Is this a serious list??

I think 747 is taking external factor besides just attendance to establish a home court advantage.

The cozy confines and blue court of the Icardo Center make it difficult to beat CSUB on their court.

The vastness and acoustics of the Pan American Center... and, its' dead spots on the removable parquet floor give our Aggies a distinct advantage.

And, GCU is all about the Havoc and an amped up PA system. The main thing missing is GCU's talent on the court. Once Majerle consistently brings high D1 talent, then GCU will be "very" difficult to beat on their court.

Keep in mind, we are talking "home court advantage"; not arena game atmosphere. Current, GCU games have the best game atmosphere. The place definitely rocks!

However, "if" Jans can replicate the teams his mentor has produced at Wichita State, then you will see the game atmosphere Aggie fans are capable of generating in the PAC. It can be as load as a jet engine. I am hoping WAC fans will see a glimpse of this when NMSU meets UNM in the PAC this season. Aggie fans have an axe to grind.

That's part of the reason I had the issue because for at least the first two season of our move up, we didn't really have the talent to compete and I felt like this list was kinda punishing us because of that. Over the past two season, when I feel like GCU has had the talent to regularly compete, NMSU, GCU, and CSUB have lost a combined total of 5 games and it really should be 4, but I don't want to derail the thread.
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RE: The Legendary Pan American Center (1968-Present)
Under Barnes CSUB is 58-14 at the Icardo. Some of those years CSUB was really bad, make of it what you will but yes CSUB has a great home court advantage and we saw that when NMSU came to town this year. Next year the average is going to go up again as well. I'm expecting half the games sold out. The community really rallied behind these guys at the end of the year.

I also think this years Utah Valley numbers are way off, everytime I watched them it was a ghost town.
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(07-11-2017 03:02 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 02:38 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 01:56 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 12:57 PM)pistolp747 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 11:19 AM)ProfScott Wrote:  Okay, since apparently this discussion is about the best home court advantage in the WAC, I will throw out some attendance numbers. Here are the home attendance figures for the last four years. As a whole the WAC is trending upward which is positive. However, only two schools (GCU & NMSU) sit above average so the WAC is still bottom heavy in terms of attendance. CSUB is showing lots of improvement though (from last to fourth) and even CSU is showing some improvement. Those on somewhat of a decline are SU and NMSU. Perhaps NMSU's touted home court advantage may be "a thing" but it may not be for long if the current trend continues.

"If the current trend continues"? You're citing the wrong metric. NM State's attendance dropped slightly but home wins went up.

And NMSU's homecourt advantage "perhaps may be a thing"? We went 5 years without losing a single home conference game--something like 70-1 in home conference play since 2012.

There may be some differences in game environment but currently WAC home-court advantage would rank:
1. NM State
2. Bakersfield
3. GCU
4. UVU
5. The field

I hope other WAC teams can build up their home-court advantage. UVU and Bakersfield have tons of potential. Isn't Bakersfield getting some upgrades to their gym?

Is this a serious list??

I think 747 is taking external factor besides just attendance to establish a home court advantage.

The cozy confines and blue court of the Icardo Center make it difficult to beat CSUB on their court.

The vastness and acoustics of the Pan American Center... and, its' dead spots on the removable parquet floor give our Aggies a distinct advantage.

And, GCU is all about the Havoc and an amped up PA system. The main thing missing is GCU's talent on the court. Once Majerle consistently brings high D1 talent, then GCU will be "very" difficult to beat on their court.

Keep in mind, we are talking "home court advantage"; not arena game atmosphere. Current, GCU games have the best game atmosphere. The place definitely rocks!

However, "if" Jans can replicate the teams his mentor has produced at Wichita State, then you will see the game atmosphere Aggie fans are capable of generating in the PAC. It can be as load as a jet engine. I am hoping WAC fans will see a glimpse of this when NMSU meets UNM in the PAC this season. Aggie fans have an axe to grind.

That's part of the reason I had the issue because for at least the first two season of our move up, we didn't really have the talent to compete and I felt like this list was kinda punishing us because of that. Over the past two season, when I feel like GCU has had the talent to regularly compete, NMSU, GCU, and CSUB have lost a combined total of 5 games and it really should be 4, but I don't want to derail the thread.

I guess the component I left out with regards to the GCU Arena is the "intimidation" factor. Since NMSU has had some success there, it will take a while to establish that edge. However, NMSU does have the advantage of playing in the Pit and Haskins Center every year. So, GCU Arena maybe never be able to intimidate NMSU.

I did mention GCU current talent as opposed what I expect to be in a few years. However, that's the point of a home court advantage. It makes you better than you really are. It made NMSU good enough to beat UNLV in 1990.

I think GCU has a great thing going on at GCU Arena. However, they need to be careful they don't become too much like UNM used to be year ago. For many years, UNM was very tough in the friendly confines of the Pit but they could not take it on the road; well that was until Alford became their coach.

Prior Menzies, Aggie fans had pride in NMSU as being a great road team. They still were capable of winning WAC road game under Menzies. But there was a time before him as our coach when NMSU could win neutral site tournaments and OOC road games. Hopefully Jans can bring back Aggie confidence and continue what Weir had started with our win over ASU.
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GCU students don't intimidate anyone. It's just one big party for them. A few years back, our student section was so rowdy that GCU players and Dan Majerle himself was talking trash to the NMSU student section after the game. That is how you intimidate teams. Utah State used to do a great job. GCU isn't their yet.
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And nowadays NMSU can't draw 5000 a game when the team is on the 2nd longest win streak in the nation at the time.
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Our shittiest attendance will still always beat Bakersfields best.
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