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(07-13-2017 10:54 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:15 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 10:09 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  There is so much silliness in that 160 team lineup, particularly at your G4 level. Rather going through it all, I will ask why the non-scholarship San Deigo be in FBS? And no part of Wofford, Charleston Southern, or Western Carolina belongs in FBS. And why would one of the oldest continuous rivalries in football (Richmond and W&M) be in different conferences were they both to go FBS? I could go on, what i wont.

San Diego ended last season ranked in the FCS top 20 and made the playoff. Wofford was ranked 8th.

Torero Stadium holds 6,000. Average home game attendance was 2,405 last year.

Well the western half f the country needs better FCS teams.
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RE: BIGGER IS BETTER!!!!
(07-13-2017 12:42 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:54 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:15 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 10:09 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  There is so much silliness in that 160 team lineup, particularly at your G4 level. Rather going through it all, I will ask why the non-scholarship San Deigo be in FBS? And no part of Wofford, Charleston Southern, or Western Carolina belongs in FBS. And why would one of the oldest continuous rivalries in football (Richmond and W&M) be in different conferences were they both to go FBS? I could go on, what i wont.

San Diego ended last season ranked in the FCS top 20 and made the playoff. Wofford was ranked 8th.

Torero Stadium holds 6,000. Average home game attendance was 2,405 last year.

Well the western half f the country needs better FCS teams.


The D2 schools that could help bring more out of the western FCS if they are brought up.

Azusa Pacific could get really better in Big Sky affiliate.
West Texas A&M
Colorado Mesa
Colorado State-Pueblo
They are the only D2 that had winning records out west.
Southern Oregon is the best from NAIA.
Linfield and Willamette from D3 are winners. Those 2 could be part of the Pioneer League for non-scholarship football.
Carroll Montana is the Dynasty team in NAIA.
Central plains are mainly Arkansas, Texas, Central Oklahoma at times, Missouri, Kansas the Dakotas and Minnesota schools are better which they could fit in FCS. I thought Omaha would do good in FCS football, but I was sad that they dropped their two most popular sports to go D1. BOOOOOOOO HISSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
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The P4

ACC
North: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
West: Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Central: Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami(FL)

B1G Ten
East: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State, Rutgers
Mideast: Indiana, Michigan, Ohio State, Purdue
North: Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Southwest: Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma

Pac-16
East: Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas, Texas Tech
Rockies: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
California: California, UCLA, Southern California, Stanford
Northwest: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

SEC(This one maybe controversial)
East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Central: Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi
North: Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, TCU
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(07-14-2017 09:17 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The P4

ACC
North: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
West: Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Central: Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami(FL)

B1G Ten
East: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State, Rutgers
Mideast: Indiana, Michigan, Ohio State, Purdue
North: Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Southwest: Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma

Pac-16
East: Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas, Texas Tech
Rockies: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
California: California, UCLA, Southern California, Stanford
Northwest: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

SEC(This one maybe controversial)
East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Central: Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi
North: Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, TCU

That looks good to me, but keep it going. How do the other conferences look?

AAC

East: UConn, Temple, Army, Navy

North: Cincy, Memphis, ECU, Marshall

South: USF, UCF, S. Miss, Tulane

West: Houston, Baylor, SMU, Tulsa

CUSA

East: Old Dominion, Charolette, Deleware, James Madison

West: N. Texas, Rice, UTSA, Texas St

North: WKU, Mid Tenn, Chattanooga, App State

South: FIU, FAU, UAB, La Tech

MAC

East: Buffalo, UMass, Kent St, Akron

West: N. Dakota St, S. Dakota St. N. Iowa, N Illinois

North: CMU, WMU, EMU, Toledo

South: Ohio, Miami, Ball St, Bowling Green

MWC

East: CSU, Air Force, Wyoming, Utah St

West: Hawaii, San Diego St, Fresno, San Jose St

South: New Mexico, New Mexico St, UNLV, UTEP

North: Boise St, E. Washington, Nevada, Idaho

Sun Belt

East: Liberty, Coastal Carolina, William & Mary, Richmond

West: Sam Houston, Lousiana Monroe, Louisiana Lafayette, Stephen F Austin

North: Missouri St, EKU, Arkansas St, Central Arkansas

South: Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Troy, S. Alabama
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RE: BIGGER IS BETTER!!!!
(07-14-2017 09:17 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The P4

ACC
North: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
West: Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Central: Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami(FL)

B1G Ten
East: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State, Rutgers
Mideast: Indiana, Michigan, Ohio State, Purdue
North: Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Southwest: Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma

Pac-16
East: Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas, Texas Tech
Rockies: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
California: California, UCLA, Southern California, Stanford
Northwest: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

SEC(This one maybe controversial)
East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Central: Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi
North: Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, TCU

While these seem to fit geographically, these 5 in bold would be a problem at some point.

Kansas State is a big academic and cultural misfit in the P16. Likewise with WVa and the ACC. The other three less so, but OU is an outlier made acceptable only by football and Nebraska's desire to have them. TCU's size makes them an outlier in the SEC. TT is an outlier made acceptable only by Texas.

I have to wonder at what point any P-4 scenario results in the 4 conferences turning to a a better fit G-5. For example, what does the P16 get from Kansas State, that is not obtained by New Mexico, maybe even Hawaii. As to the ACC, what does the ACC get with West Va, that is not obtained by TCU, Navy, Cincinnati, or Tulane. Without doubt WVa is the better football program, but it adds almost no footprint and for 65 years UVa and Duke have been opposed to WVa. And with TCU in the SEC, what does the SEC get that is not already obtained by TAMU and Ok State. From a footprint standpoint West Va puts them in the DC and Pittsburgh suburbs.

I don't know if it's possible to get that result, and that's before ESPN shouts in the ear of the ACC and SEC.
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(07-14-2017 04:16 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 09:17 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The P4

ACC
North: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
West: Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Central: Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami(FL)

B1G Ten
East: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State, Rutgers
Mideast: Indiana, Michigan, Ohio State, Purdue
North: Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Southwest: Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma

Pac-16
East: Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas, Texas Tech
Rockies: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
California: California, UCLA, Southern California, Stanford
Northwest: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

SEC(This one maybe controversial)
East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Central: Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi
North: Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, TCU

While these seem to fit geographically, these 5 in bold would be a problem at some point.

Kansas State is a big academic and cultural misfit in the P16. Likewise with WVa and the ACC. The other three less so, but OU is an outlier made acceptable only by football and Nebraska's desire to have them. TCU's size makes them an outlier in the SEC. TT is an outlier made acceptable only by Texas.

I have to wonder at what point any P-4 scenario results in the 4 conferences turning to a a better fit G-5. For example, what does the P16 get from Kansas State, that is not obtained by New Mexico, maybe even Hawaii. As to the ACC, what does the ACC get with West Va, that is not obtained by TCU, Navy, Cincinnati, or Tulane. Without doubt WVa is the better football program, but it adds almost no footprint and for 65 years UVa and Duke have been opposed to WVa. And with TCU in the SEC, what does the SEC get that is not already obtained by TAMU and Ok State. From a footprint standpoint West Va puts them in the DC and Pittsburgh suburbs.

I don't know if it's possible to get that result, and that's before ESPN shouts in the ear of the ACC and SEC.

Fair points, I'd say. Give WV to the SEC instead of TCU. The ACC has its choice between Cincy and UConn. And if Texas moves to the Pac, it will want more neighbors to come along. So take TCU and Houston instead of ISU and KSU.
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(07-13-2017 12:42 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:54 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:15 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 10:09 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  There is so much silliness in that 160 team lineup, particularly at your G4 level. Rather going through it all, I will ask why the non-scholarship San Deigo be in FBS? And no part of Wofford, Charleston Southern, or Western Carolina belongs in FBS. And why would one of the oldest continuous rivalries in football (Richmond and W&M) be in different conferences were they both to go FBS? I could go on, what i wont.

San Diego ended last season ranked in the FCS top 20 and made the playoff. Wofford was ranked 8th.

Torero Stadium holds 6,000. Average home game attendance was 2,405 last year.

Well the western half f the country needs better FCS teams.

Final 2016 FCS Coaches Poll
#3 North Dakota State
#4 Eastern Washington
#5 Sam Houston State
#12 North Dakota
#T21 Cal Poly
#T21 San Diego
#24 Weber State
#25 Montana

Attendance:
#1 Montana - 25K
#5 North Dakota State - 18.5K
#6 Montana State - 17.9K
#15 South Dakota State - 13.7K
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(07-14-2017 04:16 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 09:17 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The P4

ACC
North: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
West: Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Central: Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami(FL)

B1G Ten
East: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State, Rutgers
Mideast: Indiana, Michigan, Ohio State, Purdue
North: Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Southwest: Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma

Pac-16
East: Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas, Texas Tech
Rockies: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
California: California, UCLA, Southern California, Stanford
Northwest: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

SEC(This one maybe controversial)
East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Central: Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi
North: Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, TCU

While these seem to fit geographically, these 5 in bold would be a problem at some point.

Kansas State is a big academic and cultural misfit in the P16. Likewise with WVa and the ACC. The other three less so, but OU is an outlier made acceptable only by football and Nebraska's desire to have them. TCU's size makes them an outlier in the SEC. TT is an outlier made acceptable only by Texas.

I have to wonder at what point any P-4 scenario results in the 4 conferences turning to a a better fit G-5. For example, what does the P16 get from Kansas State, that is not obtained by New Mexico, maybe even Hawaii. As to the ACC, what does the ACC get with West Va, that is not obtained by TCU, Navy, Cincinnati, or Tulane. Without doubt WVa is the better football program, but it adds almost no footprint and for 65 years UVa and Duke have been opposed to WVa. And with TCU in the SEC, what does the SEC get that is not already obtained by TAMU and Ok State. From a footprint standpoint West Va puts them in the DC and Pittsburgh suburbs.

I don't know if it's possible to get that result, and that's before ESPN shouts in the ear of the ACC and SEC.

How is WVU (Not WVa) a academic outlier in the ACC? That ship sailed when they invited Louisville. What does half of the SEC bring besides a good FB program? If they cared about footprint then why need 4 teams in NC?
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(07-14-2017 05:43 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 12:42 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 10:54 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:15 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 10:09 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  There is so much silliness in that 160 team lineup, particularly at your G4 level. Rather going through it all, I will ask why the non-scholarship San Deigo be in FBS? And no part of Wofford, Charleston Southern, or Western Carolina belongs in FBS. And why would one of the oldest continuous rivalries in football (Richmond and W&M) be in different conferences were they both to go FBS? I could go on, what i wont.

San Diego ended last season ranked in the FCS top 20 and made the playoff. Wofford was ranked 8th.

Torero Stadium holds 6,000. Average home game attendance was 2,405 last year.

Well the western half f the country needs better FCS teams.

Final 2016 FCS Coaches Poll
#3 North Dakota State
#4 Eastern Washington
#5 Sam Houston State
#12 North Dakota
#T21 Cal Poly
#T21 San Diego
#24 Weber State
#25 Montana

Attendance:
#1 Montana - 25K
#5 North Dakota State - 18.5K
#6 Montana State - 17.9K
#15 South Dakota State - 13.7K

And they all were added to conferences in my scenario. California doesn't have a lot of FCS options.
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(07-14-2017 06:23 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 04:16 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 09:17 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The P4

ACC
North: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
West: Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Central: Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami(FL)

B1G Ten
East: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State, Rutgers
Mideast: Indiana, Michigan, Ohio State, Purdue
North: Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Southwest: Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma

Pac-16
East: Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas, Texas Tech
Rockies: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
California: California, UCLA, Southern California, Stanford
Northwest: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

SEC(This one maybe controversial)
East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Central: Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi
North: Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, TCU

While these seem to fit geographically, these 5 in bold would be a problem at some point.

Kansas State is a big academic and cultural misfit in the P16. Likewise with WVa and the ACC. The other three less so, but OU is an outlier made acceptable only by football and Nebraska's desire to have them. TCU's size makes them an outlier in the SEC. TT is an outlier made acceptable only by Texas.

I have to wonder at what point any P-4 scenario results in the 4 conferences turning to a a better fit G-5. For example, what does the P16 get from Kansas State, that is not obtained by New Mexico, maybe even Hawaii. As to the ACC, what does the ACC get with West Va, that is not obtained by TCU, Navy, Cincinnati, or Tulane. Without doubt WVa is the better football program, but it adds almost no footprint and for 65 years UVa and Duke have been opposed to WVa. And with TCU in the SEC, what does the SEC get that is not already obtained by TAMU and Ok State. From a footprint standpoint West Va puts them in the DC and Pittsburgh suburbs.

I don't know if it's possible to get that result, and that's before ESPN shouts in the ear of the ACC and SEC.

How is WVU (Not WVa) a academic outlier in the ACC? That ship sailed when they invited Louisville. What does half of the SEC bring besides a good FB program? If they cared about footprint then why need 4 teams in NC?

WVa is a general admission college for natives of West Va - it's non-competitive. That is part of West Va's mission, but it runs counter to most ACC schools which are highly competitive on entry. It gives WVa a LEGITIMATE advantage over UVa, Duke, VT, Pitt and others. Then comes the issue of kids who might relocate into WVa to matriculate there or policy changes that WVa might undertake to allow kids from certain Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia, Pa, and MD counties to enter under the same policy.

It's more subtle than West Va having "poor" academics. Also, no one is going to be admitted that is an existential hell no to one of the old guard.

For some the issue is personal and existential. For others the issue are not so important, but they have issues. At a certain size it becomes less of an issue, especially if Duke, GT, UVa, and WF are not sharing a division with WVa.

I don't know why UConn keeps getting mentioned. Jesus Christ would have a difficult time getting UConn the votes in the ACC.
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