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(07-10-2017 08:45 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I believe the service academies are all upwardly mobile. Army chooses to sit out, and Navy thought it was joining a major when it finally came to terms with the Big East, only to see it bottom out (they committed to it regardless). And, I don't think one can come to conclusions over the Big XII and AFA from the last go-around. The conference is dying and expansion will come at the cost of prolonging some of the arrangements which is a total non-starter for them, while AFA may not have the best people on the tempo and styles needed to work with other conferences when pushed to it (ala the lacrosse thing and their AD saying nobody called them).

I'm of the belief that if the B12 implodes, there will still be a fifth major conference. There will still be enough power programs out there that can fetch respectable money and wouldn't dictate HUGE network revenue streams. Think Big East-lite. So, the Houston's, SMU's, UConn's, Cincy's...put BYU, the aforementioned AFA, and some of the remnants of the Big XII? Yeah, that could still pull money.

Schools that if they really could commit to athletics, and purposefully lobbied for it, would likely "get there:" the SA's, Rice, Tulane

Presently stuck and unknown but popular bets: UConn, Cincy, Houston, BYU, Colorado State

Who knows, more downside than upside: New Mexico, UNLV, SDSU, USF, UCF, Temple, SMU

In the realm of basketball? The upwardly mobile include: Gonzaga, Richmond, Davidson, SLU, and Dayton. I think Wichita State upgraded...they will have to demonstrate they can sustain success in a conference as thick as the AAC, and not resemble those like Temple and Memphis who we all know are good, but aren't currently consistent to the level of Cincy or SMU (presently). VCU is in Wichita State' boat...their ceiling, if the A10 were to ever dwindle, wouldn't be a Big East that seems to have no interest in public school members.

The issue with Air Force will always be this: They will always be a package with at least one other Front Range School. That is extremely problematic if a Conference wants them.

As far as the Big XII, assuming they implode, I just do not see East Coast Schools jumping there, especially if one of the schools that leaves is Kansas(Basketball).The only School at the moment that could back fill would be NMST, and that is only due to location. UMass/UConn/Temple are non starters, unless they are a package.

BYU basically has two options: Independence or MWC. Big XII door has closed and the PAC wants nothing to do with them.

In the case of Rice and Tulane. I would pick Rice first.

Everyone else is just stuck....
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(07-10-2017 11:47 AM)lance99 Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 08:45 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I believe the service academies are all upwardly mobile. Army chooses to sit out, and Navy thought it was joining a major when it finally came to terms with the Big East, only to see it bottom out (they committed to it regardless). And, I don't think one can come to conclusions over the Big XII and AFA from the last go-around. The conference is dying and expansion will come at the cost of prolonging some of the arrangements which is a total non-starter for them, while AFA may not have the best people on the tempo and styles needed to work with other conferences when pushed to it (ala the lacrosse thing and their AD saying nobody called them).

I'm of the belief that if the B12 implodes, there will still be a fifth major conference. There will still be enough power programs out there that can fetch respectable money and wouldn't dictate HUGE network revenue streams. Think Big East-lite. So, the Houston's, SMU's, UConn's, Cincy's...put BYU, the aforementioned AFA, and some of the remnants of the Big XII? Yeah, that could still pull money.

Schools that if they really could commit to athletics, and purposefully lobbied for it, would likely "get there:" the SA's, Rice, Tulane

Presently stuck and unknown but popular bets: UConn, Cincy, Houston, BYU, Colorado State

Who knows, more downside than upside: New Mexico, UNLV, SDSU, USF, UCF, Temple, SMU

In the realm of basketball? The upwardly mobile include: Gonzaga, Richmond, Davidson, SLU, and Dayton. I think Wichita State upgraded...they will have to demonstrate they can sustain success in a conference as thick as the AAC, and not resemble those like Temple and Memphis who we all know are good, but aren't currently consistent to the level of Cincy or SMU (presently). VCU is in Wichita State' boat...their ceiling, if the A10 were to ever dwindle, wouldn't be a Big East that seems to have no interest in public school members.

The issue with Air Force will always be this: They will always be a package with at least one other Front Range School. That is extremely problematic if a Conference wants them.

As far as the Big XII, assuming they implode, I just do not see East Coast Schools jumping there, especially if one of the schools that leaves is Kansas(Basketball).The only School at the moment that could back fill would be NMST, and that is only due to location. UMass/UConn/Temple are non starters, unless they are a package.

BYU basically has two options: Independence or MWC. Big XII door has closed and the PAC wants nothing to do with them.

In the case of Rice and Tulane. I would pick Rice first.

Everyone else is just stuck....

The issue with Air Force will always be this: They will always be a package with at least one other Front Range School. That is extremely problematic if a Conference wants them.

When I run realignment theories or possibilities, I always struggle separating Wyoming/Colorado St/Air Force/New Mexico. These schools seem "stuck at the hip" by choice. I believe these four should always stay together because I'm all for rivalries and geography. Another four that I like together are Tulsa/SMU/Rice/Tulane because they are regionally close and all private. Heck, I'd even consider a merger of those 8 and UTEP.

BYU basically has two options: Independence or MWC. Big XII door has closed and the PAC wants nothing to do with them.

I think BYU can survive independence pretty well. They can schedule almost anyone!

Power teams scheduled next 5 seasons (according to FBSchedules.com):

2017: LSU (neutral in Houston), Utah (home), Wisconsin (home), Mississippi St (away)
2018: Arizona (away), California (home), Wisconsin (away), Washington (away), Utah (away)
2019: Utah (home), Tennessee (away), USC (home), Washington (home)
2020: Utah (away), Michigan St (home), Arizona St (away), Minnesota (away), Missouri (home), Stanford (away)
2021: Arizona (neutral in Las Vegas), Utah (home), Arizona St (home), Washington St (away), Virginia (home), USC (away), Baylor (away)

Include annual games against Boise St and schedules that are essentially filled with MWC/AAC opponents minus 1 or 2 per season.

They'll be fine unaffiliated in football.
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(07-09-2017 06:12 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  I don't think you will see anyone in the current G5 get picked up by a P5 if that group decides to absorb the Big 12 who(minus Baylor of course).

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I'd say it's more likely Iowa St, TCU, Baylor, and K St end up in the G5 as it is anyone other than UConn, Cincinnati, Temple, or the directional Floridas end up P5. And if those 5 were going to be P5, they'd be there already.
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(07-10-2017 11:47 AM)lance99 Wrote:  The issue with Air Force will always be this: They will always be a package with at least one other Front Range School. That is extremely problematic if a Conference wants them.

This can't be entirely true; maybe a front ranger OR one of the other SA's. There wasn't a front range school in play during the Big East's chase for them back in 2010-12, but Navy was there and said to be an influential presence at one point.

And, who knows what all went down during the Big XII thing. Was there ever confirmation they applied? Their people said they were being proactive and monitoring the landscape...that's not the same thing as "yes, we are among the applicants for Big XII membership." Considering they're already affiliate members in wrestling, they can have a different kind of discussion others weren't so fortunate to have, but, still...

I don't disagree about others being stuck, though. Temple's been through it enough that it was intriguing...their former president really doing a number on the books and the stalling on the OCS practically has them off the list, even though I still wonder what their best-case potential ceiling would be.
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UNLV to the Pac-12 is a slam dunk. I'd argue Nevada too.
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(07-10-2017 12:06 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  The issue with Air Force will always be this: They will always be a package with at least one other Front Range School. That is extremely problematic if a Conference wants them.

When I run realignment theories or possibilities, I always struggle separating Wyoming/Colorado St/Air Force/New Mexico. These schools seem "stuck at the hip" by choice. I believe these four should always stay together because I'm all for rivalries and geography. Another four that I like together are Tulsa/SMU/Rice/Tulane because they are regionally close and all private. Heck, I'd even consider a merger of those 8 and UTEP.

Colorado State would leave the Front Range group behind in a heartbeat, if it means a solid athletics upgrade. I'm not sure the Rams consider any realistic options (AAC, Best of Rest?) enough of an upgrade over the MWC.

Air Force has both feet firmly planted in the Front Range; however, to be in a football conference with Navy and Army has been and will be considered. Air Force's biggest issue is a home for its Olympic sports. I note that it was the Falcon's former AD that shied from Big 12's interest and commented about the level of competition - not sure how the current administration views the world.

While the Falcons have played CSU and Wyoming more frequently than even Army and Navy, I note that Air Force has actually played SDSU more than New Mexico - and each of BYU and Notre Dame only 3 times fewer than Los Lobos.
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(07-10-2017 12:28 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Hawaii gives you 5 xtra FB games & 20 xtra BB games
Haw midnight [ET] start times r 9[PT] starts
1am {PT] start times work for conf network

It doesn't matter that Saturday games in Honolulu start after midnight on the east coast. What matters is that they start in the late morning to mid-afternoon on Sunday in Australia, New Zealand and East Asia. If the Pac-12 hopes to start making inroads in Pacific Basin markets it could do worse than add UH.

That doesn't mean there aren't other enormous obstacles to UH moving up. There are, starting with weak support for the university from the state government. UH's endowment is far too small by Pac-12 standards. The state also needs to replace rusting Aloha Stadium with a modern venue. And finally, UH needs to start winning more games in the MWC -- a lot more.
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Air Force has no interest at all in being in the same conference as Navy and Army. None. If they did, it would have already happened. Either Air Force or Colorado State would leave the other behind for the PAC 12 or Big XII. Neither has the slightest chance at the other P5's and I doubt that Air Force is acceptable to PAC since it is military and does virtually no research.

As far as changing to another G conference, why would they?
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Could the P5 allow Boise State go Independent? They are a program that is a P5 status, but do not have the academics. They do bring in money, but the academics is hurting them right now.
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(07-10-2017 05:47 PM)lew240z Wrote:  Air Force has no interest at all in being in the same conference as Navy and Army. None. If they did, it would have already happened. Either Air Force or Colorado State would leave the other behind for the PAC 12 or Big XII. Neither has the slightest chance at the other P5's and I doubt that Air Force is acceptable to PAC since it is military and does virtually no research.

As far as changing to another G conference, why would they?

I thought that Air Force turned down the Big XII twice already?
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