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RE: What non-power schools...?
I don't think you will see anyone in the current G5 get picked up by a P5 if that group decides to absorb the Big 12 whole (minus Baylor of course).
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(07-09-2017 05:10 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  G5 with P5 chances

SEC: ECU, SMU, UCF or USF
ACC: Cincinnati, Navy, Temple, UCF or USF
BIG: UConn, Buffalo
PAC: UNLV, New Mexico, Hawaii, Houston, Rice

Again, I am not getting the REGION logic used by G5 schools. It will be still be based on new markets. Regions is not a P5 worry.

ACC -
- Navy only if ND wants them. The other big issue will be Army/Navy game. ACC will not want the game after the regular season and ACC requires equal revenue sharing. Navy may say no even if ND wants them in the AAC.

- SMU and Houston - Texas Market (SMU is the better fit with other private schools, Houston to me is the better option being the larger school)

- Cincy - Ohio market

I doubt U_F or Temple could get enought support from the ACC schools. Miami & FSU will not want the Florida Schools and it is not like Pitt and Temple has a historic rival.

The holy grail for Swofford & the ACC is to get ND and Texas as full time members. So I think the ACC does nothing until 2023-25 until the B12 Schools figures out what they are doing.
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(07-09-2017 06:14 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 05:10 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  G5 with P5 chances

SEC: ECU, SMU, UCF or USF
ACC: Cincinnati, Navy, Temple, UCF or USF
BIG: UConn, Buffalo
PAC: UNLV, New Mexico, Hawaii, Houston, Rice

Again, I am not getting the REGION logic used by G5 schools. It will be still be based on new markets. Regions is not a P5 worry.

ACC -
- Navy only if ND wants them. The other big issue will be Army/Navy game. ACC will not want the game after the regular season and ACC requires equal revenue sharing. Navy may say no even if ND wants them in the AAC.

- SMU and Houston - Texas Market (SMU is the better fit with other private schools, Houston to me is the better option being the larger school)

- Cincy - Ohio market

I doubt U_F or Temple could get enought support from the ACC schools. Miami & FSU will not want the Florida Schools and it is not like Pitt and Temple has a historic rival.

The holy grail for Swofford & the ACC is to get ND and Texas as full time members. So I think the ACC does nothing until 2023-25 until the B12 Schools figures out what they are doing.

I realize it is about new markets. I could see the ACC taking another Florida school to make the southern the school happy if the ACC toolbox WVU or Cincinnati. I could also see the ACC going after Memphis to get into Tennessee market.

BIG: wants Va/NC market, New England market, and Kansas City market.
ACC: Needs Mid-Atlantic market. Could take Navy or Temple for DC or Philadelphia market. Also could go into Ohio market.
SEC: NC/VA market and would like D.C. Market. Also wants Dallas market.
PAC: Need Texas market. Could go after Hawaii market as well for later games and to try to get into the Asian/Australian market. Could solidify Las Vegas market.

Big 12: Needs more markets. Surprised they haven't gone after NC, TN, OH, FL, and New Orleans. They could add ECU, UCF, USF, Tulane, Memphis, and Cincinnati and double their market.
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What non-power schools...?
If you look at it financially I don't believe conditions are right for anyone to go into P5 other than BYU and they are obviously problematic.

I don't think ECU makes it simply because I don't see being the fifth P5 in state even as the third or fourth most popular being a successful situation.

New Mexico and UNLV might get to the point of being viable down the road, maybe Hawaii if Asian markets become viable.

Right now financially FBS is shaped like an hourglass. Seems more likely a few schools get shuffled out making the middle fatter.
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(07-09-2017 06:30 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 06:14 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 05:10 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  G5 with P5 chances

SEC: ECU, SMU, UCF or USF
ACC: Cincinnati, Navy, Temple, UCF or USF
BIG: UConn, Buffalo
PAC: UNLV, New Mexico, Hawaii, Houston, Rice

Again, I am not getting the REGION logic used by G5 schools. It will be still be based on new markets. Regions is not a P5 worry.

ACC -
- Navy only if ND wants them. The other big issue will be Army/Navy game. ACC will not want the game after the regular season and ACC requires equal revenue sharing. Navy may say no even if ND wants them in the AAC.

- SMU and Houston - Texas Market (SMU is the better fit with other private schools, Houston to me is the better option being the larger school)

- Cincy - Ohio market

I doubt U_F or Temple could get enought support from the ACC schools. Miami & FSU will not want the Florida Schools and it is not like Pitt and Temple has a historic rival.

The holy grail for Swofford & the ACC is to get ND and Texas as full time members. So I think the ACC does nothing until 2023-25 until the B12 Schools figures out what they are doing.

I realize it is about new markets. I could see the ACC taking another Florida school to make the southern the school happy if the ACC toolbox WVU or Cincinnati. I could also see the ACC going after Memphis to get into Tennessee market.

BIG: wants Va/NC market, New England market, and Kansas City market.
ACC: Needs Mid-Atlantic market. Could take Navy or Temple for DC or Philadelphia market. Also could go into Ohio market.
SEC: NC/VA market and would like D.C. Market. Also wants Dallas market.
PAC: Need Texas market. Could go after Hawaii market as well for later games and to try to get into the Asian/Australian market. Could solidify Las Vegas market.

Big 12: Needs more markets. Surprised they haven't gone after NC, TN, OH, FL, and New Orleans. They could add ECU, UCF, USF, Tulane, Memphis, and Cincinnati and double their market.

Again, I think the ACC outside of Navy looks west towards Ohio and Texas not the mid atlantic. I think UCF, USF, CINCI & ECU would be great if the B12 were to expand to create an East Division but I think that ship has sailed. If Texas, KS ,OU and OSU bolt. I think the four mentioned above with Houston and Tulsa would be a great new B12 with the remaining teams.
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I think the most P5 ready schools are:

Houston
Cincy
UCF
UCF
UConn

unfortunately I think the Big 12 slammed the door on their aspirations after their dog and pony show over expansion. The way I see things heading, some of these schools will eventually make their way into a tweener conference with the left behind Big 12 schools when the P4 leaves them behind.
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RE: What non-power schools...?
why would ACC be expanding?
less chances at ND
where do they find a strong FB program
10-12 in NCAA tourn, ain't broke, don't fix it
Navy bring nothing for conf network
Conn, Buff, Cin, Temple, ECU, U_f
who on that list is a "gotta have"
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(07-09-2017 07:29 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  why would ACC be expanding?
less chances at ND
where do they find a strong FB program
10-12 in NCAA tourn, ain't broke, don't fix it
Navy bring nothing for conf network
Conn, Buff, Cin, Temple, ECU, U_f
who on that list is a "gotta have"

If ND says they will join the ACC and if Navy is the 16th team to keep the Navy/ND game, the ACC would agree to have Navy. Not the team I would want as 16 but I have no issue. I think the Army/Navy game would be the huge sticking point for Date and Rev sharing for Navy. ACC is big on Revenue Sharing. All expansion depends on ND.
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(07-09-2017 06:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If you look at it financially I don't believe conditions are right for anyone to go into P5 other than BYU and they are obviously problematic.

I don't think ECU makes it simply because I don't see being the fifth P5 in state even as the third or fourth most popular being a successful situation.

New Mexico and UNLV might get to the point of being viable down the road, maybe Hawaii if Asian markets become viable.

Right now financially FBS is shaped like an hourglass. Seems more likely a few schools get shuffled out making the middle fatter.

For football in the state of NC I would say NC State is #1 and UNC & ECU are tied for #2. In a state like NC with a population of 10 million people it will not be a problem. You look like a state like SC where there is only 4 million people and they have two strong P5 programs. NC needs a football first program in P5 since all the ACC schools are basketball first. ECU in a P5 would take off. You have to remember ECU is not some small school. We are larger then the ACC schools in our state (except NC State), with over 30,000 students and we are still growing. The fan base size would not be the issue, as we also still have higher attendance than many P5 schools.
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RE: What non-power schools...?
To get to P5, it isn't your record. Your record is a means to an ends. The ends is Attendance (thus potential viewing audience too from that, if added).

If you're consistently a 5-7 to 7-5 G5 team, yet have a 55k attendance on average -- you'll go to P5. Definitely over a consistently 9-3 G5 team with a 22k attendance who doesn't have some big potential attendance "hitting it big".

If it was purely by record, Boise would have already joined the PAC a little while ago. But the attendance includes potential additional audience, which Boise lacks (cable stream). A nice G5 attendance, but not enough to go P5 considering their locale.

Buffalo could make it -- because of their potential additional audience, and close locale to the ACC, and definitely close enough for the B1G.
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