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RE: G5 TEAMS THAT COULD GRAB THE NY6 SPOT
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(07-15-2017 05:35 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Pray that you don't make a mistake when hiring a coach/staff, cause that's all it takes to cause things to unravel. I'm hoping we've made the correct decisions to right the ship a bit.

This right here has been the biggest and most important difference between the GS and App State. Not recruiting, fan support, facilities, or trophies.

App has just been better in the front office and hasn't made the missteps our administration has. To be fair, it doesn't help that App State has made one coaching hire so far this century (and had an obvious candidate) and GS has made 6.

The other guy has been telling me how great it's been since 2010, but now you're saying ya'll have made misteps.
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(07-15-2017 09:10 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
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(07-14-2017 07:34 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Navy just scored again.

I think Liberty did too.

Yes they did, but let us have a little clarity here. App was a struggling 1-4 team whose win came over powerhouse, non-scholarship FCS Campbell. Playing mostly freshmen and sophomores we miss a 32 yard FG to win in regulation then loseto the Flames in OT. LIberty goes on to become a 9-4 FCS playoff team. Ga Southern was 8-2 (at the time of the Navy game) with narrow losses to 2 ACC teams and on their way to a conference championship. The in the conversation for the Access Bowl team gets shelled - no pun intended - by 33 to a 4-5 (again at the time of the game) Navy team. If you think that's a fair comparison, OK. 03-no

But since then....
App goes 27-5 with 3 loses to top ten P5 teams, a conference champion and a Troy team that was ranked the week after beating us. During that time the Apps win 2 bowl games and a conference champioship. Ga Southern on the other hand, goes 15-11 with a bowl win and the afore mentioned conference championship, BUT two loses to a Ga State team with a combined record of 9-16 and twice to the much hated and dispised Mountaineers by a combined score of 65-13.

I'll gladly accept the Liberty loss for what has been accomplished since. Do you say the same? Huhhhh????

Yes Georgia Southern was in the conversation in 2014. The Navy game did also indeed stop all the conversation as well. In any case, there wouldn't have been a Sun Belt candidate that year anyway since we won the conference and you have to win the conference to TRULY be in the conversation. That's what happened to Boise in 2015 when it became obvious they wouldn't make the MWC championship game.

I'd take Georgia Southern 2010-2015 all day every day. (Although honestly, you couldn't PAY me to be an App fan.)

As a program, Georgia Southern achieved much more than App did in that entire span. Accomplishments include: 3 straight semifinal runs in the FCS playoffs, 2 Southern Conference championships, win over an SEC team, undefeated record in Sun Belt also making us the first team to transition into FBS and go undefeated in conference play in the first year, 1 Sun Belt championship, bowl win in first year of eligibility.

Even looking at just time in FBS, the only thing I would change is not hiring Summers last year. Prior to the 2016 season, the only notable achievement you had that we hadn't equaled or bested was a 10 win season. We had both won a bowl game in our first year eligible, but we had already torn through the conference undefeated and won a title. The difference is one bad year in 2016.

Pray that you don't make a mistake when hiring a coach/staff, cause that's all it takes to cause things to unravel. I'm hoping we've made the correct decisions to right the ship a bit.

Yet with all that success you were 2-5 vs App. App fans didn't use the parting of ways with Jerry Moore as an excuse for our terrible 13 season and the first part of 14. Yea, you guys kicked us around pretty good in '14 when we were playing a bunch of young guys. I just wish that game would have been later in the season. You can use the bad coaching hire for last year, but what about two years ago when we thumped your 9-4 bowl winning team with 13 (14 counting the OL transfer that started 12 games the previous year at UAB) returning starters? Your AD actually offered the job to a good friend of mine before Fritz took it.

I notice how in the years we achieved more, you only want to talk about how you managed to beat us. Losing to you in those years sucked yes, however we accomplished quite a bit. Honestly, we were still ahead at the end of 2015. We had the exact same record as FBS programs with us having an edge in achievements.

And it's not an excuse for what happened last year, it's the truth. That same class of seniors had achieved quite a bit coming into the 2016 season and our RB was on pace to break an NCAA all division record in YPC. Enter the calamity that was last season.

It's just a reality. Poor coaching destroyed our 2016 season. And it wasn't just playcalling....it started in January because our S&C was ****. We looked as week as App's OL did in 2011 when you had **** for OL coaching. When you have a preseason all conference OL look totally different than he has the last 2 seasons in his senior year, there's a larger issue. It's just a good time for App fans to enjoy us at a low point and talk about how much better they think they are over us. I think quite a few conference fans were surprised with just how bad our staff was. stAte alone was amazed I'm sure.

However, I'm sure I could go back and look during 2013 and some of 2014 and find plenty of talk about how Jerry Moore had cost the team at that point. There was LOTS of discussion about how his lack of OL recruitment and development had seriously affected your team (and btw I agree, ya'll have had some true struggles with that), to the point where I think the effect is still rippling today. When you have to point to a single OL injury being the reason your offense stopped dead in its tracks against stAte.....would that be a case of making excuses?
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(07-15-2017 10:47 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 09:10 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:35 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 12:03 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 11:09 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  I think Liberty did too.

Yes they did, but let us have a little clarity here. App was a struggling 1-4 team whose win came over powerhouse, non-scholarship FCS Campbell. Playing mostly freshmen and sophomores we miss a 32 yard FG to win in regulation then loseto the Flames in OT. LIberty goes on to become a 9-4 FCS playoff team. Ga Southern was 8-2 (at the time of the Navy game) with narrow losses to 2 ACC teams and on their way to a conference championship. The in the conversation for the Access Bowl team gets shelled - no pun intended - by 33 to a 4-5 (again at the time of the game) Navy team. If you think that's a fair comparison, OK. 03-no

But since then....
App goes 27-5 with 3 loses to top ten P5 teams, a conference champion and a Troy team that was ranked the week after beating us. During that time the Apps win 2 bowl games and a conference champioship. Ga Southern on the other hand, goes 15-11 with a bowl win and the afore mentioned conference championship, BUT two loses to a Ga State team with a combined record of 9-16 and twice to the much hated and dispised Mountaineers by a combined score of 65-13.

I'll gladly accept the Liberty loss for what has been accomplished since. Do you say the same? Huhhhh????

Yes Georgia Southern was in the conversation in 2014. The Navy game did also indeed stop all the conversation as well. In any case, there wouldn't have been a Sun Belt candidate that year anyway since we won the conference and you have to win the conference to TRULY be in the conversation. That's what happened to Boise in 2015 when it became obvious they wouldn't make the MWC championship game.

I'd take Georgia Southern 2010-2015 all day every day. (Although honestly, you couldn't PAY me to be an App fan.)

As a program, Georgia Southern achieved much more than App did in that entire span. Accomplishments include: 3 straight semifinal runs in the FCS playoffs, 2 Southern Conference championships, win over an SEC team, undefeated record in Sun Belt also making us the first team to transition into FBS and go undefeated in conference play in the first year, 1 Sun Belt championship, bowl win in first year of eligibility.

Even looking at just time in FBS, the only thing I would change is not hiring Summers last year. Prior to the 2016 season, the only notable achievement you had that we hadn't equaled or bested was a 10 win season. We had both won a bowl game in our first year eligible, but we had already torn through the conference undefeated and won a title. The difference is one bad year in 2016.

Pray that you don't make a mistake when hiring a coach/staff, cause that's all it takes to cause things to unravel. I'm hoping we've made the correct decisions to right the ship a bit.

Yet with all that success you were 2-5 vs App. App fans didn't use the parting of ways with Jerry Moore as an excuse for our terrible 13 season and the first part of 14. Yea, you guys kicked us around pretty good in '14 when we were playing a bunch of young guys. I just wish that game would have been later in the season. You can use the bad coaching hire for last year, but what about two years ago when we thumped your 9-4 bowl winning team with 13 (14 counting the OL transfer that started 12 games the previous year at UAB) returning starters? Your AD actually offered the job to a good friend of mine before Fritz took it.

I notice how in the years we achieved more, you only want to talk about how you managed to beat us. Losing to you in those years sucked yes, however we accomplished quite a bit. Honestly, we were still ahead at the end of 2015. We had the exact same record as FBS programs with us having an edge in achievements.

And it's not an excuse for what happened last year, it's the truth. That same class of seniors had achieved quite a bit coming into the 2016 season and our RB was on pace to break an NCAA all division record in YPC. Enter the calamity that was last season.

It's just a reality. Poor coaching destroyed our 2016 season. And it wasn't just playcalling....it started in January because our S&C was ****. We looked as week as App's OL did in 2011 when you had **** for OL coaching. When you have a preseason all conference OL look totally different than he has the last 2 seasons in his senior year, there's a larger issue. It's just a good time for App fans to enjoy us at a low point and talk about how much better they think they are over us. I think quite a few conference fans were surprised with just how bad our staff was. stAte alone was amazed I'm sure.

However, I'm sure I could go back and look during 2013 and some of 2014 and find plenty of talk about how Jerry Moore had cost the team at that point. There was LOTS of discussion about how his lack of OL recruitment and development had seriously affected your team (and btw I agree, ya'll have had some true struggles with that), to the point where I think the effect is still rippling today. When you have to point to a single OL injury being the reason your offense stopped dead in its tracks against stAte.....would that be a case of making excuses?

That's a lot of writing to essentially say, "we're better than you...except for when we play you."
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(07-15-2017 10:47 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 09:10 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:35 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 12:03 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 11:09 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  I think Liberty did too.

Yes they did, but let us have a little clarity here. App was a struggling 1-4 team whose win came over powerhouse, non-scholarship FCS Campbell. Playing mostly freshmen and sophomores we miss a 32 yard FG to win in regulation then loseto the Flames in OT. LIberty goes on to become a 9-4 FCS playoff team. Ga Southern was 8-2 (at the time of the Navy game) with narrow losses to 2 ACC teams and on their way to a conference championship. The in the conversation for the Access Bowl team gets shelled - no pun intended - by 33 to a 4-5 (again at the time of the game) Navy team. If you think that's a fair comparison, OK. 03-no

But since then....
App goes 27-5 with 3 loses to top ten P5 teams, a conference champion and a Troy team that was ranked the week after beating us. During that time the Apps win 2 bowl games and a conference champioship. Ga Southern on the other hand, goes 15-11 with a bowl win and the afore mentioned conference championship, BUT two loses to a Ga State team with a combined record of 9-16 and twice to the much hated and dispised Mountaineers by a combined score of 65-13.

I'll gladly accept the Liberty loss for what has been accomplished since. Do you say the same? Huhhhh????

Yes Georgia Southern was in the conversation in 2014. The Navy game did also indeed stop all the conversation as well. In any case, there wouldn't have been a Sun Belt candidate that year anyway since we won the conference and you have to win the conference to TRULY be in the conversation. That's what happened to Boise in 2015 when it became obvious they wouldn't make the MWC championship game.

I'd take Georgia Southern 2010-2015 all day every day. (Although honestly, you couldn't PAY me to be an App fan.)

As a program, Georgia Southern achieved much more than App did in that entire span. Accomplishments include: 3 straight semifinal runs in the FCS playoffs, 2 Southern Conference championships, win over an SEC team, undefeated record in Sun Belt also making us the first team to transition into FBS and go undefeated in conference play in the first year, 1 Sun Belt championship, bowl win in first year of eligibility.

Even looking at just time in FBS, the only thing I would change is not hiring Summers last year. Prior to the 2016 season, the only notable achievement you had that we hadn't equaled or bested was a 10 win season. We had both won a bowl game in our first year eligible, but we had already torn through the conference undefeated and won a title. The difference is one bad year in 2016.

Pray that you don't make a mistake when hiring a coach/staff, cause that's all it takes to cause things to unravel. I'm hoping we've made the correct decisions to right the ship a bit.

Yet with all that success you were 2-5 vs App. App fans didn't use the parting of ways with Jerry Moore as an excuse for our terrible 13 season and the first part of 14. Yea, you guys kicked us around pretty good in '14 when we were playing a bunch of young guys. I just wish that game would have been later in the season. You can use the bad coaching hire for last year, but what about two years ago when we thumped your 9-4 bowl winning team with 13 (14 counting the OL transfer that started 12 games the previous year at UAB) returning starters? Your AD actually offered the job to a good friend of mine before Fritz took it.

I notice how in the years we achieved more, you only want to talk about how you managed to beat us. Losing to you in those years sucked yes, however we accomplished quite a bit. Honestly, we were still ahead at the end of 2015. We had the exact same record as FBS programs with us having an edge in achievements.

And it's not an excuse for what happened last year, it's the truth. That same class of seniors had achieved quite a bit coming into the 2016 season and our RB was on pace to break an NCAA all division record in YPC. Enter the calamity that was last season.

It's just a reality. Poor coaching destroyed our 2016 season. And it wasn't just playcalling....it started in January because our S&C was ****. We looked as week as App's OL did in 2011 when you had **** for OL coaching. When you have a preseason all conference OL look totally different than he has the last 2 seasons in his senior year, there's a larger issue. It's just a good time for App fans to enjoy us at a low point and talk about how much better they think they are over us. I think quite a few conference fans were surprised with just how bad our staff was. stAte alone was amazed I'm sure.

However, I'm sure I could go back and look during 2013 and some of 2014 and find plenty of talk about how Jerry Moore had cost the team at that point. There was LOTS of discussion about how his lack of OL recruitment and development had seriously affected your team (and btw I agree, ya'll have had some true struggles with that), to the point where I think the effect is still rippling today. When you have to point to a single OL injury being the reason your offense stopped dead in its tracks against stAte.....would that be a case of making excuses?

Our discussion is about App / GaSo. It's only natural I point out with all your success you still couldn't beat App. You guys have gone through one year of this stuff. As you correctly pointed out, we endured years of it. The talent of Edwards covered up most of the problems, but once he left they really started to surface. While the conference record didn't suffer (26 wins in 3 years) once we got into the playoffs the issues became obvious. IMO it was a reflection on how weak the SmallCon was.
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(07-16-2017 09:03 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Our discussion is about App / GaSo. It's only natural I point out with all your success you still couldn't beat App. You guys have gone through one year of this stuff. As you correctly pointed out, we endured years of it. The talent of Edwards covered up most of the problems, but once he left they really started to surface. While the conference record didn't suffer (26 wins in 3 years) once we got into the playoffs the issues became obvious. IMO it was a reflection on how weak the SmallCon was.

Wait a minute, you're going to tell me with Scott Satterfield, Shawn Elliot, and Mark Speir as assistants your coaching was lacking? Surely you jest.

Now I will say 2009-2011 that App State's offensive coaching was definitely lacking, but it's nothing compared to what we've had. We missed the playoffs four straight seasons. It takes a really high level of ineptitude of coaches and administrators to make that streak possible.

And I wouldn't compare it to the level of ineptitude needed to make our offensive roster last year produce less than 30 points a game last year.
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(07-16-2017 10:47 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 09:03 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Our discussion is about App / GaSo. It's only natural I point out with all your success you still couldn't beat App. You guys have gone through one year of this stuff. As you correctly pointed out, we endured years of it. The talent of Edwards covered up most of the problems, but once he left they really started to surface. While the conference record didn't suffer (26 wins in 3 years) once we got into the playoffs the issues became obvious. IMO it was a reflection on how weak the SmallCon was.

Wait a minute, you're going to tell me with Scott Satterfield, Shawn Elliot, and Mark Speir as assistants your coaching was lacking? Surely you jest.

Now I will say 2009-2011 that App State's offensive coaching was definitely lacking, but it's nothing compared to what we've had. We missed the playoffs four straight seasons. It takes a really high level of ineptitude of coaches and administrators to make that streak possible.

And I wouldn't compare it to the level of ineptitude needed to make our offensive roster last year produce less than 30 points a game last year.

Satterfield and Elliot left after the 09 season and Speir after 2011. Those guys can't be blamed for the downturn. It wasn't App's front office that screwed the program up, it was Jerry Moore. Gave his inept son greater control of the offense. Hired a OL coach with 1 year of experience in D1. Hired 2 former players with a combined 1 year experience in D2. Brought in another former player (you starting to see a pattern here) with zero experience at the collegiate level as S&C coach. Replaced Satterfield at OC & QB coach with a guy who coached 1 year at Elon and 2 years at N Greenville College. Twenty players (six OL signees) either left school or were kicked off the team between 2010 & 12. It was bad. Really bad.
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Honestly it has been three years in the FBS. The FCS stuff speaks for itself about even with modern head to head 6 NC's vs 3...with a ton of conf championships in the SuKon blah blah who cares now.


GS 23-14 1-2 against App, 8-0 Conf title, 1 Bowl win
App 28-10 2-1 against GS, 1 shared conf title, 2 Bowl wins

Countless programs that moved up would have killed for either start as most do not do as well as we both have. The FBS move is not going to be judged for at least another 5-10 years. Neither of us are near our FBS ceilings at this point. GS just hit another gear with the addition of 7K more students and a foothold in Savannah. I am sure App is going to continue to grow as well. We have had to endure a miss on a coaching hire and still did not totally collapse like others have. App has yet to have to endure rolling the dice on an OC / DC or FCS HC yet. Good luck you will need it paying under 1M for an FBS coach.
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Prediction:

App will lose in a close one to GA.
App will beat Wake in a close one at home.
App will go undefeated in Sun Belt.

App won't be mentioned in the NY6 - but will win a 3rd straight bowl game 02-13-banana
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Also, App needs to get over the 30K average home attendance this year. We need to be closer to 35K when UNC comes to town. 03-wink
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Prediction:
App gets wrecked at UGA (Miami part 2)
App beats Wake because who wouldn't?
App goes undefeated in conference without playing Troy or StAte
App wins Dollar General bowl
Satterfield is gone the next day
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