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A neighbor kid has a puppy that she walks every day by our house. She told us that she was training him to be a service dog. I was curious and asked what ailment the dog was supposed to assist with, and the kid looked extremely confused and responded that all you have to do is buy a jacket online to call them a service dog and then your dog come with you into any store or restaurant. (the kid is young enough that I'm 100% certain this is her parents' idea).

This type of stuff ticks me off. You can no longer tell the difference between a legitimate service dog and the untrained pet of my idiot neighbor.
 
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(07-10-2017 05:11 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  A neighbor kid has a puppy that she walks every day by our house. She told us that she was training him to be a service dog. I was curious and asked what ailment the dog was supposed to assist with, and the kid looked extremely confused and responded that all you have to do is buy a jacket online to call them a service dog and then your dog come with you into any store or restaurant. (the kid is young enough that I'm 100% certain this is her parents' idea).

This type of stuff ticks me off. You can no longer tell the difference between a legitimate service dog and the untrained pet of my idiot neighbor.

Not referring to legitimate service dogs with what I am about to say, or even PTSD sufferers who have comfort dogs... but I have no idea why folks all of a sudden feel the need to take their damn dogs everywhere. Up until a few years ago, it was unfathomable to me that someone would take their dog to a retail store other than a pet store. Now, I am seeing them in all kinds of retail stores, and no, they are not service dogs.

Recently the city of Columbus started enforcing health codes in relation to people bringing dogs to patios that serve food. The amount of outrage about it was insane. Why do you have to take your damn dog to lunch?
 
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It has become a giant scam. I am very understanding about true service dogs or PTSD dog. But now all the people have some miniature mutt that they want to pass off as a mental comfort dog. Leave your pooch home and grow up.
 
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I have been on several Delta flights where people will have dogs with them, and when asked, say they are service dogs to help them with their fear of flying. The dogs are normally kept in the passengers lap (smaller dogs of course) and I have never witnessed a problem with the animals.
 
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(07-10-2017 06:59 PM)ctipton Wrote:  I have been on several Delta flights where people will have dogs with them, and when asked, say they are service dogs to help them with their fear of flying. The dogs are normally kept in the passengers lap (smaller dogs of course) and I have never witnessed a problem with the animals.

A Delta Airlines flight had to return to the gate when a passenger was bitten in the face by a "Comfort Dog" on a flight... 28 stitches.

http://wgntv.com/2017/06/06/man-bitten-o...pport-dog/

http://www.complex.com/life/2017/06/alab...lta-flight

I also know of an American Airlines flight where a Flight Attendant was bitten by a "comfort dog" that was sitting on a passenger's lap (aisle seat) while bending over to serve the occupant of the inside seat.
 
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Can't remember the exact title, but I seem to remember recently reading an article which called into question the assumption that being in the presence of animals has a therapeutic effect on people to lessen anxiety, and that this assumption does not appear to have any substantial foundation in science.

At any rate, I don't have a dog in this fight(pun intended), and this thread should be moved to the off topics section where it belongs.
 
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(07-10-2017 07:46 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 06:59 PM)ctipton Wrote:  I have been on several Delta flights where people will have dogs with them, and when asked, say they are service dogs to help them with their fear of flying. The dogs are normally kept in the passengers lap (smaller dogs of course) and I have never witnessed a problem with the animals.

A Delta Airlines flight had to return to the gate when a passenger was bitten in the face by a "Comfort Dog" on a flight... 28 stitches.

http://wgntv.com/2017/06/06/man-bitten-o...pport-dog/

http://www.complex.com/life/2017/06/alab...lta-flight

I also know of an American Airlines flight where a Flight Attendant was bitten by a "comfort dog" that was sitting on a passenger's lap (aisle seat) while bending over to serve the occupant of the inside seat.

A comfort dog? That doesn't sound like a properly trained service dog.

I can count the number of times I've seen a service dog on one hand. It was like they weren't even there, just helped their person. I've literally never seen one of these ESDs. Therapy dogs have their place as well, we considered having our dog trained as a therapy dog. However, they don't follow the owner where the owner wants, if we had gone that route her job would be to visit patients in the hospital. I've seen a therapy dog at a hospital before, a kid with an awful disease had that dog in a full bear hug, the dog couldn't have been more chill or more content.

These ESDs don't seem to have the same requirements of them as the other two types of dogs. I've never encountered one so I haven't had the chance to talk to the owner. But it seems ESDs do allow for pets in rental spaces that normally wouldnt, which is a positive, but I could see some people abusing the less strict training and guidelines. Regardless, never encountered one of these.

As to the article, the guy deserves to work if he's willing, however, maybe not in a position where he goes in people's homes.
 
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(07-10-2017 08:10 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 07:46 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 06:59 PM)ctipton Wrote:  I have been on several Delta flights where people will have dogs with them, and when asked, say they are service dogs to help them with their fear of flying. The dogs are normally kept in the passengers lap (smaller dogs of course) and I have never witnessed a problem with the animals.

A Delta Airlines flight had to return to the gate when a passenger was bitten in the face by a "Comfort Dog" on a flight... 28 stitches.

http://wgntv.com/2017/06/06/man-bitten-o...pport-dog/

http://www.complex.com/life/2017/06/alab...lta-flight

I also know of an American Airlines flight where a Flight Attendant was bitten by a "comfort dog" that was sitting on a passenger's lap (aisle seat) while bending over to serve the occupant of the inside seat.

A comfort dog? That doesn't sound like a properly trained service dog.

I can count the number of times I've seen a service dog on one hand. It was like they weren't even there, just helped their person. I've literally never seen one of these ESDs. Therapy dogs have their place as well, we considered having our dog trained as a therapy dog. However, they don't follow the owner where the owner wants, if we had gone that route her job would be to visit patients in the hospital. I've seen a therapy dog at a hospital before, a kid with an awful disease had that dog in a full bear hug, the dog couldn't have been more chill or more content.

These ESDs don't seem to have the same requirements of them as the other two types of dogs. I've never encountered one so I haven't had the chance to talk to the owner. But it seems ESDs do allow for pets in rental spaces that normally wouldnt, which is a positive, but I could see some people abusing the less strict training and guidelines. Regardless, never encountered one of these.

As to the article, the guy deserves to work if he's willing, however, maybe not in a position where he goes in people's homes.

That is my point. "Service Dogs" are a select and highly trained group of animals. "Comfort" and "Companion" Dogs are valuable but a completely different thing. They are not trained and/or may not have the disposition of Service Dogs.

I am not being critical of the veteran in this case, but just recognizing the difference in the animal.
 
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An attorney I knew in California near LA used to see an attorney who showed up at their county courthouse with a service miniature pony. They'd get right into the elevator.

Pretty cool. I love California.
 
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(07-10-2017 09:24 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 08:10 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 07:46 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 06:59 PM)ctipton Wrote:  I have been on several Delta flights where people will have dogs with them, and when asked, say they are service dogs to help them with their fear of flying. The dogs are normally kept in the passengers lap (smaller dogs of course) and I have never witnessed a problem with the animals.

A Delta Airlines flight had to return to the gate when a passenger was bitten in the face by a "Comfort Dog" on a flight... 28 stitches.

http://wgntv.com/2017/06/06/man-bitten-o...pport-dog/

http://www.complex.com/life/2017/06/alab...lta-flight

I also know of an American Airlines flight where a Flight Attendant was bitten by a "comfort dog" that was sitting on a passenger's lap (aisle seat) while bending over to serve the occupant of the inside seat.

A comfort dog? That doesn't sound like a properly trained service dog.

I can count the number of times I've seen a service dog on one hand. It was like they weren't even there, just helped their person. I've literally never seen one of these ESDs. Therapy dogs have their place as well, we considered having our dog trained as a therapy dog. However, they don't follow the owner where the owner wants, if we had gone that route her job would be to visit patients in the hospital. I've seen a therapy dog at a hospital before, a kid with an awful disease had that dog in a full bear hug, the dog couldn't have been more chill or more content.

These ESDs don't seem to have the same requirements of them as the other two types of dogs. I've never encountered one so I haven't had the chance to talk to the owner. But it seems ESDs do allow for pets in rental spaces that normally wouldnt, which is a positive, but I could see some people abusing the less strict training and guidelines. Regardless, never encountered one of these.

As to the article, the guy deserves to work if he's willing, however, maybe not in a position where he goes in people's homes.

That is my point. "Service Dogs" are a select and highly trained group of animals. "Comfort" and "Companion" Dogs are valuable but a completely different thing. They are not trained and/or may not have the disposition of Service Dogs.

I am not being critical of the veteran in this case, but just recognizing the difference in the animal.

Therapy dogs are real and they are trained and certified.

Two of the people I work with had their dogs go through therapy training and got them certified. They use them to visit people in the hospital who would otherwise have no visitors. The patients seem to love them.

If they are well behaved enough, trained enough, and clean enough to spend time with hospital patients, they are real enough in my book.
 
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