(07-12-2017 09:38 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 04:33 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:39 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 12:20 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 03:37 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  It's sad because Memphis could easily be booming right now. Could be baby Atlanta

So true. Just look at the opportunities which were missed throughout the years.

What if the city had built the larger airport that would have made it a hub when the decision was made to build Memphis International.

Or if Clarence Saunders had accepted the invitation to join the young NFL.

Or if the owner of Memphis Arkansas Speedway had of paved the 1.5 mile dirt oval in Lehi and stayed on the NASCAR Cup Schedule.

Or if the City would have committed up front to build a new stadium in the 70s NFL expansion.

Or if the State did not outlaw betting on speed competition and Montgomery Park remained open

So many branches in the road of history where if we went the other way things would have been much different.

Or if you lived in Memphis...

You do not have to tell us your insane we know it already. With any of these events if things went the other way it would have made a large impact on the city's economy and sports.

We very well could be the Hub for Delta in this region if we had built an international level airport before Atlanta. Which would have caused more Corporations to choose Memphis as their headquarters.

The Tennessee Derby at Montgomery Park was as large and some years paid bigger purses and had bigger crowds than the Kentucky Derby.

Memphis/Arkansas Speedway was home to Cup races from the early to mid 50s before the owner fell into financial issues. The 1.5 mile dirt track was dangerous and was the site of a number of fatalities. If he were able to pave the track and remain on the schedule it would have had a dramatic impact on the local economy. Lowes motor speedway contributes over $1 billion directly into the economy yearly.

We have had at least two occasions if different decisions were made we could have ended up with NFL franchises. An NFL team would have made the contribution of LMS look like pocket change.

Just a few different choices would have made a major economic impact on Memphis as a whole.

I may very well be insane, but it grinds my gears when I see somebody, who doesn't even live in the city, do nothing but whine and complain about it.

That is his specialty. Never attends a sporting event yet whines and complains about every aspect of any event.

Reminds me of all the people that write editorials in the CA about how Memphis needs to provide raises and better benefits to its employees and should raise property taxes to provide the funding. Then the writer gives their place of residence. Covington, Oakland, Nesbit. When nearly 75% of all retired city employees don't even live in Memphis, it is easy to suggest raising property taxes.

(07-09-2017 11:32 AM)mjaytee Wrote:  Part of the problem I feel with Memphis is that the Nashville region is all Tennessee, whereas a big portion of Memphis metro is Mississippi and to a lesser degree Arkansas. Tennessee gets all the tax money generated around Nashville, so there is incentive for Tennessee to steer industry to middle Tennessee. There may be a little county vs. county competition, but the taxes and labor are within Tennessee. With Memphis, you have businesses poaching from another state, employees from other states taking from Tennessee to MS and AR. The movie/TV tax credit thing was one of the most egregious examples of Nashville favoritism. It is somewhat understandable, but detrimental to Memphis nevertheless.

Agreed. Being the state capital has gotten Nashville MUCH further ahead than they would have been otherwise. The way they've treated the Memphis Film Commission in past years is abysmal.

Memphis isn't blameless - we got about a decade behind Nashville in the 90's thanks to poor leadership, but that tide has been slowly turning for years. One major thing standing in our way that doesn't stand in Nashville's is that they consolidated their city & county governments decades ago - it's not the "us vs. them" like there is here. Sure, Williamson & Davidson fight for things, but for the most part they get that if they all work together, it betters the entire region. Sadly we're lacking that desperately here.

Nashville's boom is also in part to the fact that they don't give a rat's ass about remaining true to any of its culture or history - if there's a developer there waving money in their face, they're grabbing it. That will backfire on them sooner rather than later, and I don't see Memphis being as willing to do that (at least hopefully).

I was in Nashville this past weekend for that soccer game - there were 47,000 people who attended, and afterwards, it was like pulling teeth to find a place to go eat dinner with our son. We were essentially kicked off Broadway, being told the restaurants there were 21 and up after 7:00 pm, with the exception of tourist traps like Hard Rock Cafe.

We finally settled on a random restaurant in the Gulch district, closer to our hotel. Unless you're young & wanting to go out partying, they really don't have a whole lot to do that we don't already have here, and we have plenty of party places for younger people as well. They're just paying more for it in Nashville.

(07-12-2017 12:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 11:32 AM)mjaytee Wrote:  Part of the problem I feel with Memphis is that the Nashville region is all Tennessee, whereas a big portion of Memphis metro is Mississippi and to a lesser degree Arkansas. Tennessee gets all the tax money generated around Nashville, so there is incentive for Tennessee to steer industry to middle Tennessee. There may be a little county vs. county competition, but the taxes and labor are within Tennessee. With Memphis, you have businesses poaching from another state, employees from other states taking from Tennessee to MS and AR. The movie/TV tax credit thing was one of the most egregious examples of Nashville favoritism. It is somewhat understandable, but detrimental to Memphis nevertheless.

Agreed. Being the state capital has gotten Nashville MUCH further ahead than they would have been otherwise. The way they've treated the Memphis Film Commission in past years is abysmal.

Memphis isn't blameless - we got about a decade behind Nashville in the 90's thanks to poor leadership, but that tide has been slowly turning for years. One major thing standing in our way that doesn't stand in Nashville's is that they consolidated their city & county governments decades ago - it's not the "us vs. them" like there is here. Sure, Williamson & Davidson fight for things, but for the most part they get that if they all work together, it betters the entire region. Sadly we're lacking that desperately here.

Nashville's boom is also in part to the fact that they don't give a rat's ass about remaining true to any of its culture or history - if there's a developer there waving money in their face, they're grabbing it. That will backfire on them sooner rather than later, and I don't see Memphis being as willing to do that (at least hopefully).

I was in Nashville this past weekend for that soccer game - there were 47,000 people who attended, and afterwards, it was like pulling teeth to find a place to go eat dinner with our son. We were essentially kicked off Broadway, being told the restaurants there were 21 and up after 7:00 pm, with the exception of tourist traps like Hard Rock Cafe.

We finally settled on a random restaurant in the Gulch district, closer to our hotel. I realized that unless you're young & wanting to go out partying, they really don't have a whole lot to do that we don't already have here.

Last time I saw a US National team there they did like 43,000 in 2006. But that was a world cup warm up.

Not that great of a venue for soccer. IMO. But I still remember Bobby Convey almost equalizing(I actually couldn't see it cause of the crappy viewing angle, but the crowd roared.). What happen to that dude.

(07-12-2017 12:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  We finally settled on a random restaurant in the Gulch district, closer to our hotel.

You probably got better food than you would have on Broadway then.

(07-12-2017 12:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 11:32 AM)mjaytee Wrote:  Part of the problem I feel with Memphis is that the Nashville region is all Tennessee, whereas a big portion of Memphis metro is Mississippi and to a lesser degree Arkansas. Tennessee gets all the tax money generated around Nashville, so there is incentive for Tennessee to steer industry to middle Tennessee. There may be a little county vs. county competition, but the taxes and labor are within Tennessee. With Memphis, you have businesses poaching from another state, employees from other states taking from Tennessee to MS and AR. The movie/TV tax credit thing was one of the most egregious examples of Nashville favoritism. It is somewhat understandable, but detrimental to Memphis nevertheless.

Agreed. Being the state capital has gotten Nashville MUCH further ahead than they would have been otherwise. The way they've treated the Memphis Film Commission in past years is abysmal.

Memphis isn't blameless - we got about a decade behind Nashville in the 90's thanks to poor leadership, but that tide has been slowly turning for years. One major thing standing in our way that doesn't stand in Nashville's is that they consolidated their city & county governments decades ago - it's not the "us vs. them" like there is here. Sure, Williamson & Davidson fight for things, but for the most part they get that if they all work together, it betters the entire region. Sadly we're lacking that desperately here.

Nashville's boom is also in part to the fact that they don't give a rat's ass about remaining true to any of its culture or history - if there's a developer there waving money in their face, they're grabbing it. That will backfire on them sooner rather than later, and I don't see Memphis being as willing to do that (at least hopefully).

I was in Nashville this past weekend for that soccer game - there were 47,000 people who attended, and afterwards, it was like pulling teeth to find a place to go eat dinner with our son. We were essentially kicked off Broadway, being told the restaurants there were 21 and up after 7:00 pm, with the exception of tourist traps like Hard Rock Cafe.

We finally settled on a random restaurant in the Gulch district, closer to our hotel. Unless you're young & wanting to go out partying, they really don't have a whole lot to do that we don't already have here, and we have plenty of party places for younger people as well. They're just paying more for it in Nashville.

Let's not forget the Tennessee Racing Commission. West Tennessee was the only portion of the state which approved Horse racing, yet they forced the Commission to have members from all three sections of the state and it was impossible to get a developer approved. Nashville did not want Memphis to have horse racing again.

Or about the time Memphis was up for yet another NFL franchise and Nashville refused to allow any assistance from the state unless Memphis agreed to play some games in Nashville.

(07-12-2017 11:18 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 09:38 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 04:33 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:39 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 12:20 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  So true. Just look at the opportunities which were missed throughout the years.

What if the city had built the larger airport that would have made it a hub when the decision was made to build Memphis International.

Or if Clarence Saunders had accepted the invitation to join the young NFL.

Or if the owner of Memphis Arkansas Speedway had of paved the 1.5 mile dirt oval in Lehi and stayed on the NASCAR Cup Schedule.

Or if the City would have committed up front to build a new stadium in the 70s NFL expansion.

Or if the State did not outlaw betting on speed competition and Montgomery Park remained open

So many branches in the road of history where if we went the other way things would have been much different.

Or if you lived in Memphis...

You do not have to tell us your insane we know it already. With any of these events if things went the other way it would have made a large impact on the city's economy and sports.

We very well could be the Hub for Delta in this region if we had built an international level airport before Atlanta. Which would have caused more Corporations to choose Memphis as their headquarters.

The Tennessee Derby at Montgomery Park was as large and some years paid bigger purses and had bigger crowds than the Kentucky Derby.

Memphis/Arkansas Speedway was home to Cup races from the early to mid 50s before the owner fell into financial issues. The 1.5 mile dirt track was dangerous and was the site of a number of fatalities. If he were able to pave the track and remain on the schedule it would have had a dramatic impact on the local economy. Lowes motor speedway contributes over $1 billion directly into the economy yearly.

We have had at least two occasions if different decisions were made we could have ended up with NFL franchises. An NFL team would have made the contribution of LMS look like pocket change.

Just a few different choices would have made a major economic impact on Memphis as a whole.

I may very well be insane, but it grinds my gears when I see somebody, who doesn't even live in the city, do nothing but whine and complain about it.

That is his specialty. Never attends a sporting event yet whines and complains about every aspect of any event.

Reminds me of all the people that write editorials in the CA about how Memphis needs to provide raises and better benefits to its employees and should raise property taxes to provide the funding. Then the writer gives their place of residence. Covington, Oakland, Nesbit. When nearly 75% of all retired city employees don't even live in Memphis, it is easy to suggest raising property taxes.

Go back to arguing with maps.

If i never attend another sporting event in my life, you will find it hard pressed to attend as many different local professional sports franchises as i have in my lifetime.

(07-12-2017 01:15 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 12:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 11:32 AM)mjaytee Wrote:  Part of the problem I feel with Memphis is that the Nashville region is all Tennessee, whereas a big portion of Memphis metro is Mississippi and to a lesser degree Arkansas. Tennessee gets all the tax money generated around Nashville, so there is incentive for Tennessee to steer industry to middle Tennessee. There may be a little county vs. county competition, but the taxes and labor are within Tennessee. With Memphis, you have businesses poaching from another state, employees from other states taking from Tennessee to MS and AR. The movie/TV tax credit thing was one of the most egregious examples of Nashville favoritism. It is somewhat understandable, but detrimental to Memphis nevertheless.

Agreed. Being the state capital has gotten Nashville MUCH further ahead than they would have been otherwise. The way they've treated the Memphis Film Commission in past years is abysmal.

Memphis isn't blameless - we got about a decade behind Nashville in the 90's thanks to poor leadership, but that tide has been slowly turning for years. One major thing standing in our way that doesn't stand in Nashville's is that they consolidated their city & county governments decades ago - it's not the "us vs. them" like there is here. Sure, Williamson & Davidson fight for things, but for the most part they get that if they all work together, it betters the entire region. Sadly we're lacking that desperately here.

Nashville's boom is also in part to the fact that they don't give a rat's ass about remaining true to any of its culture or history - if there's a developer there waving money in their face, they're grabbing it. That will backfire on them sooner rather than later, and I don't see Memphis being as willing to do that (at least hopefully).

I was in Nashville this past weekend for that soccer game - there were 47,000 people who attended, and afterwards, it was like pulling teeth to find a place to go eat dinner with our son. We were essentially kicked off Broadway, being told the restaurants there were 21 and up after 7:00 pm, with the exception of tourist traps like Hard Rock Cafe.

We finally settled on a random restaurant in the Gulch district, closer to our hotel. Unless you're young & wanting to go out partying, they really don't have a whole lot to do that we don't already have here, and we have plenty of party places for younger people as well. They're just paying more for it in Nashville.

Let's not forget the Tennessee Racing Commission. West Tennessee was the only portion of the state which approved Horse racing, yet they forced the Commission to have members from all three sections of the state and it was impossible to get a developer approved. Nashville did not want Memphis to have horse racing again.

Or about the time Memphis was up for yet another NFL franchise and Nashville refused to allow any assistance from the state unless Memphis agreed to play some games in Nashville.

You can still find the outline of the old tracks on google maps if you know where to look.

(07-12-2017 12:51 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 12:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 11:32 AM)mjaytee Wrote:  Part of the problem I feel with Memphis is that the Nashville region is all Tennessee, whereas a big portion of Memphis metro is Mississippi and to a lesser degree Arkansas. Tennessee gets all the tax money generated around Nashville, so there is incentive for Tennessee to steer industry to middle Tennessee. There may be a little county vs. county competition, but the taxes and labor are within Tennessee. With Memphis, you have businesses poaching from another state, employees from other states taking from Tennessee to MS and AR. The movie/TV tax credit thing was one of the most egregious examples of Nashville favoritism. It is somewhat understandable, but detrimental to Memphis nevertheless.

Agreed. Being the state capital has gotten Nashville MUCH further ahead than they would have been otherwise. The way they've treated the Memphis Film Commission in past years is abysmal.

Memphis isn't blameless - we got about a decade behind Nashville in the 90's thanks to poor leadership, but that tide has been slowly turning for years. One major thing standing in our way that doesn't stand in Nashville's is that they consolidated their city & county governments decades ago - it's not the "us vs. them" like there is here. Sure, Williamson & Davidson fight for things, but for the most part they get that if they all work together, it betters the entire region. Sadly we're lacking that desperately here.

Nashville's boom is also in part to the fact that they don't give a rat's ass about remaining true to any of its culture or history - if there's a developer there waving money in their face, they're grabbing it. That will backfire on them sooner rather than later, and I don't see Memphis being as willing to do that (at least hopefully).

I was in Nashville this past weekend for that soccer game - there were 47,000 people who attended, and afterwards, it was like pulling teeth to find a place to go eat dinner with our son. We were essentially kicked off Broadway, being told the restaurants there were 21 and up after 7:00 pm, with the exception of tourist traps like Hard Rock Cafe.

We finally settled on a random restaurant in the Gulch district, closer to our hotel. I realized that unless you're young & wanting to go out partying, they really don't have a whole lot to do that we don't already have here.

Last time I saw a US National team there they did like 43,000 in 2006. But that was a world cup warm up.

Not that great of a venue for soccer. IMO. But I still remember Bobby Convey almost equalizing(I actually couldn't see it cause of the crappy viewing angle, but the crowd roared.). What happen to that dude.

USMNT v. Morocco?

(07-12-2017 02:28 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 12:51 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 12:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 11:32 AM)mjaytee Wrote:  Part of the problem I feel with Memphis is that the Nashville region is all Tennessee, whereas a big portion of Memphis metro is Mississippi and to a lesser degree Arkansas. Tennessee gets all the tax money generated around Nashville, so there is incentive for Tennessee to steer industry to middle Tennessee. There may be a little county vs. county competition, but the taxes and labor are within Tennessee. With Memphis, you have businesses poaching from another state, employees from other states taking from Tennessee to MS and AR. The movie/TV tax credit thing was one of the most egregious examples of Nashville favoritism. It is somewhat understandable, but detrimental to Memphis nevertheless.

Agreed. Being the state capital has gotten Nashville MUCH further ahead than they would have been otherwise. The way they've treated the Memphis Film Commission in past years is abysmal.

Memphis isn't blameless - we got about a decade behind Nashville in the 90's thanks to poor leadership, but that tide has been slowly turning for years. One major thing standing in our way that doesn't stand in Nashville's is that they consolidated their city & county governments decades ago - it's not the "us vs. them" like there is here. Sure, Williamson & Davidson fight for things, but for the most part they get that if they all work together, it betters the entire region. Sadly we're lacking that desperately here.

Nashville's boom is also in part to the fact that they don't give a rat's ass about remaining true to any of its culture or history - if there's a developer there waving money in their face, they're grabbing it. That will backfire on them sooner rather than later, and I don't see Memphis being as willing to do that (at least hopefully).

I was in Nashville this past weekend for that soccer game - there were 47,000 people who attended, and afterwards, it was like pulling teeth to find a place to go eat dinner with our son. We were essentially kicked off Broadway, being told the restaurants there were 21 and up after 7:00 pm, with the exception of tourist traps like Hard Rock Cafe.

We finally settled on a random restaurant in the Gulch district, closer to our hotel. I realized that unless you're young & wanting to go out partying, they really don't have a whole lot to do that we don't already have here.

Last time I saw a US National team there they did like 43,000 in 2006. But that was a world cup warm up.

Not that great of a venue for soccer. IMO. But I still remember Bobby Convey almost equalizing(I actually couldn't see it cause of the crappy viewing angle, but the crowd roared.). What happen to that dude.

USMNT v. Morocco?

Yep. Pretty awful tie.

I was there, too.

My first soccer match of literally any (say, post-HS) significance.

(07-12-2017 01:10 PM)bsp34 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 12:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  We finally settled on a random restaurant in the Gulch district, closer to our hotel.

You probably got better food than you would have on Broadway then.

You're probably right.
It wasn't bad. Nothing mind-blowing, but solid food & good service.

http://cityfirenashville.com/

(07-12-2017 02:30 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  I was there, too.

My first soccer match of literally any (say, post-HS) significance.

It was my first time to see a soccer game that didn't involve the Rogues, Memphis Storm, or kids. My son is playing for his team's "select" group this year, so he loved every minute of this game.

Unfortunately, we had the most ridiculous people behind us, screaming "America - f*** yeah!" every 5 minutes, and generally making things miserable for everyone around them. I figured they were college kids just being stupid, and when I turned around, it was a guy about my age with his buddy, and a kid in tow. Total class.

(07-12-2017 01:20 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:18 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 09:38 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 04:33 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:39 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  Or if you lived in Memphis...

You do not have to tell us your insane we know it already. With any of these events if things went the other way it would have made a large impact on the city's economy and sports.

We very well could be the Hub for Delta in this region if we had built an international level airport before Atlanta. Which would have caused more Corporations to choose Memphis as their headquarters.

The Tennessee Derby at Montgomery Park was as large and some years paid bigger purses and had bigger crowds than the Kentucky Derby.

Memphis/Arkansas Speedway was home to Cup races from the early to mid 50s before the owner fell into financial issues. The 1.5 mile dirt track was dangerous and was the site of a number of fatalities. If he were able to pave the track and remain on the schedule it would have had a dramatic impact on the local economy. Lowes motor speedway contributes over $1 billion directly into the economy yearly.

We have had at least two occasions if different decisions were made we could have ended up with NFL franchises. An NFL team would have made the contribution of LMS look like pocket change.

Just a few different choices would have made a major economic impact on Memphis as a whole.

I may very well be insane, but it grinds my gears when I see somebody, who doesn't even live in the city, do nothing but whine and complain about it.

That is his specialty. Never attends a sporting event yet whines and complains about every aspect of any event.

Reminds me of all the people that write editorials in the CA about how Memphis needs to provide raises and better benefits to its employees and should raise property taxes to provide the funding. Then the writer gives their place of residence. Covington, Oakland, Nesbit. When nearly 75% of all retired city employees don't even live in Memphis, it is easy to suggest raising property taxes.

Go back to arguing with maps.

If i never attend another sporting event in my life, you will find it hard pressed to attend as many different local professional sports franchises as i have in my lifetime.

Correct me if I am wrong. I didn't think Jacks and Hopscotch counted.

(07-09-2017 12:20 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Or if the City would have committed up front to build a new stadium in the 70s NFL expansion.

The City had a new stadium in the 70s NFL expansion.

The City didn't have a new stadium in the 90s NFL expansion.

(07-12-2017 05:26 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 12:20 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Or if the City would have committed up front to build a new stadium in the 70s NFL expansion.

The City had a 10-year old 50,000 seat stadium in the 70s NFL expansion.

The City didn't have a new stadium in the 90s NFL expansion.

FYP Latty

(07-09-2017 12:20 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 03:37 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  It's sad because Memphis could easily be booming right now. Could be baby Atlanta

So true. Just look at the opportunities which were missed throughout the years.

What if the city had built the larger airport that would have made it a hub when the decision was made to build Memphis International.

Or if Clarence Saunders had accepted the invitation to join the young NFL.

Or if the owner of Memphis Arkansas Speedway had of paved the 1.5 mile dirt oval in Lehi and stayed on the NASCAR Cup Schedule.

Or if the City would have committed up front to build a new stadium in the 70s NFL expansion.

Or if the State did not outlaw betting on speed competition and Montgomery Park remained open

So many branches in the road of history where if we went the other way things would have been much different.

If Murphy had gotten us in the SEC

If that kansas guy had missed that shot

If Sidney Slyncker had built that wax museum