sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

and,

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/159300...kings-2017

The SEC's Mean Gross Total Revenue rose by 9 million dollars per school year over year.

The ACC had one of the largest bumps up year over year. Last year they had a Mean Gross Total Revenue of just over 87 million. They are up 11 million year over year. The Big 12 was up 6 million year over year. The Big 10 had a bump up of 7 million year over year. The PAC lost 2.5 million falling solidly into 5th place among the P5 conferences.

Note: Exact comparisons will not be available until information about Private Schools is out. Vanderbilt and Northwestern have historically been extremely close so the SEC / B1G comparison should statistically remain valid. The ACC however benefits for now from not having their's included, still their public schools were up. Stanford and U.S.C.'s absence affects the PAC.

(07-07-2017 07:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

and,

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/159300...kings-2017

In looking at the numbers printed here and remembering that the private schools are not included you should note the following:

Big 12: T.C.U. 93 million , Baylor 90 million last year.
PAC: U.S.C. 106 million, and Stanford 112 million last year.
Big 10: Northwestern 77 million last year.
SEC: Vanderbilt earned in the 78 million last year.
ACC: Notre Dame 134 million, Duke 91 million, Miami 85 million, Syracuse 82 million, Pitt 71 million, Boston College 71 million, and Wake Forest 62 million last year.

So if you take the positions of finish this year for the public schools and estimate that the privates will finish roughly relative to where they were last year then any present P5 in 53 position or worse would finish out of the top 65 in revenue. So at 51st this year Georgia Tech would likely make the cut at 63rd whereas last year their were 66th.

Connecticut is the only public G5 that finishes in the top 65. Wake Forest is likely the only present P5 to finish out of 65th. We'll see for sure when the privates release their number for the year.

(07-09-2017 06:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 07:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

and,

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/159300...kings-2017

In looking at the numbers printed here and remembering that the private schools are not included you should note the following:

Big 12: T.C.U. 93 million , Baylor 90 million last year.
PAC: U.S.C. 106 million, and Stanford 112 million last year.
Big 10: Northwestern 77 million last year.
SEC: Vanderbilt earned in the 78 million last year.
ACC: Notre Dame 134 million, Duke 91 million, Miami 85 million, Syracuse 82 million, Pitt 71 million, Boston College 71 million, and Wake Forest 62 million last year.

So if you take the positions of finish this year for the public schools and estimate that the privates will finish roughly relative to where they were last year then any present P5 in 53 position or worse would finish out of the top 65 in revenue. So at 51st this year Georgia Tech would likely make the cut at 63rd whereas last year their were 66th.

Connecticut is the only public G5 that finishes in the top 65. Wake Forest is likely the only present P5 to finish out of 65th. We'll see for sure when the privates release their number for the year.

Yes. Was going to post later tonight or tomorrow on this very topic.

I think we should keep in mind that both the OPE Equity in Athletics figures and the USA Today NCAA Finances figures are for the 2015-16 season. It gets kind of confusing at times, at least for me, since I think of 2016-17 as "last year" now.

And apparently there are things that cannot be reported to OPE as either revenue or expenses, but that the USA Today survey allows. Which is why I assume for those that do both there are wide variances between the two in some cases.

But more on that later.

Cheers,
Neil

(07-09-2017 07:33 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 06:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 07:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

and,

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/159300...kings-2017

In looking at the numbers printed here and remembering that the private schools are not included you should note the following:

Big 12: T.C.U. 93 million , Baylor 90 million last year.
PAC: U.S.C. 106 million, and Stanford 112 million last year.
Big 10: Northwestern 77 million last year.
SEC: Vanderbilt earned in the 78 million last year.
ACC: Notre Dame 134 million, Duke 91 million, Miami 85 million, Syracuse 82 million, Pitt 71 million, Boston College 71 million, and Wake Forest 62 million last year.

So if you take the positions of finish this year for the public schools and estimate that the privates will finish roughly relative to where they were last year then any present P5 in 53 position or worse would finish out of the top 65 in revenue. So at 51st this year Georgia Tech would likely make the cut at 63rd whereas last year their were 66th.

Connecticut is the only public G5 that finishes in the top 65. Wake Forest is likely the only present P5 to finish out of 65th. We'll see for sure when the privates release their number for the year.

Yes. Was going to post later tonight or tomorrow on this very topic.

I think we should keep in mind that both the OPE Equity in Athletics figures and the USA Today NCAA Finances figures are for the 2015-16 season. It gets kind of confusing at times, at least for me, since I think of 2016-17 as "last year" now.

And apparently there are things that cannot be reported to OPE as either revenue or expenses, but that the USA Today survey allows. Which is why I assume for those that do both there are wide variances between the two in some cases.

But more on that later.

Cheers,
Neil

Yep, I noted the year the figures represent in the thread title. So saying last year's figures then would obviously be for 2014-5 and it does get a bit confusing because they are almost a year in arrears when most of the totals come out.

(07-09-2017 06:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  So at 51st this year Georgia Tech would likely make the cut at 63rd whereas last year their were 66th.

It's Purdue's problem now. Thanks Boilermakers!

(07-09-2017 06:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 07:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

and,

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/159300...kings-2017

In looking at the numbers printed here and remembering that the private schools are not included you should note the following:

Big 12: T.C.U. 93 million , Baylor 90 million last year.
PAC: U.S.C. 106 million, and Stanford 112 million last year.
Big 10: Northwestern 77 million last year.
SEC: Vanderbilt earned in the 78 million last year.
ACC: Notre Dame 134 million, Duke 91 million, Miami 85 million, Syracuse 82 million, Pitt 71 million, Boston College 71 million, and Wake Forest 62 million last year.

So if you take the positions of finish this year for the public schools and estimate that the privates will finish roughly relative to where they were last year then any present P5 in 53 position or worse would finish out of the top 65 in revenue. So at 51st this year Georgia Tech would likely make the cut at 63rd whereas last year their were 66th.

Connecticut is the only public G5 that finishes in the top 65. Wake Forest is likely the only present P5 to finish out of 65th. We'll see for sure when the privates release their number for the year.

I thought UConn's revenue numbers were quite impressive considering their G5 status, until I noticed that almost half of that is allocated revenue from the University. That's a lot of subsidy, but with the AAC's lack of significant TV revenue, they almost have to do that to stay relevant.

(07-12-2017 07:26 AM)TopperCard Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 06:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 07:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

and,

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/159300...kings-2017

In looking at the numbers printed here and remembering that the private schools are not included you should note the following:

Big 12: T.C.U. 93 million , Baylor 90 million last year.
PAC: U.S.C. 106 million, and Stanford 112 million last year.
Big 10: Northwestern 77 million last year.
SEC: Vanderbilt earned in the 78 million last year.
ACC: Notre Dame 134 million, Duke 91 million, Miami 85 million, Syracuse 82 million, Pitt 71 million, Boston College 71 million, and Wake Forest 62 million last year.

So if you take the positions of finish this year for the public schools and estimate that the privates will finish roughly relative to where they were last year then any present P5 in 53 position or worse would finish out of the top 65 in revenue. So at 51st this year Georgia Tech would likely make the cut at 63rd whereas last year their were 66th.

Connecticut is the only public G5 that finishes in the top 65. Wake Forest is likely the only present P5 to finish out of 65th. We'll see for sure when the privates release their number for the year.

I thought UConn's revenue numbers were quite impressive considering their G5 status, until I noticed that almost half of that is allocated revenue from the University. That's a lot of subsidy, but with the AAC's lack of significant TV revenue, they almost have to do that to stay relevant.

It also includes temporary, but significant, revenue sources related to exit fees and the breakup of the old big East. When those go away (soon) UConn's subsidy will have to increase further or the Huskies will have to do some uncomfortable budget cutting. There's a reason why Husky fans are very concerned about their future if a P5 invite isn't in the cards.

(07-10-2017 10:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  It's Purdue's problem now. Thanks Boilermakers!

Brand new football practice facility and just hired a great young coach from WKU.

Yep, seems completely incompetent .... definitely can't at all be a problem with GT or its donor base and/or fan base ....

(07-12-2017 08:22 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 07:26 AM)TopperCard Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 06:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 07:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

and,

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/159300...kings-2017

In looking at the numbers printed here and remembering that the private schools are not included you should note the following:

Big 12: T.C.U. 93 million , Baylor 90 million last year.
PAC: U.S.C. 106 million, and Stanford 112 million last year.
Big 10: Northwestern 77 million last year.
SEC: Vanderbilt earned in the 78 million last year.
ACC: Notre Dame 134 million, Duke 91 million, Miami 85 million, Syracuse 82 million, Pitt 71 million, Boston College 71 million, and Wake Forest 62 million last year.

So if you take the positions of finish this year for the public schools and estimate that the privates will finish roughly relative to where they were last year then any present P5 in 53 position or worse would finish out of the top 65 in revenue. So at 51st this year Georgia Tech would likely make the cut at 63rd whereas last year their were 66th.

Connecticut is the only public G5 that finishes in the top 65. Wake Forest is likely the only present P5 to finish out of 65th. We'll see for sure when the privates release their number for the year.

I thought UConn's revenue numbers were quite impressive considering their G5 status, until I noticed that almost half of that is allocated revenue from the University. That's a lot of subsidy, but with the AAC's lack of significant TV revenue, they almost have to do that to stay relevant.

It also includes temporary, but significant, revenue sources related to exit fees and the breakup of the old big East. When those go away (soon) UConn's subsidy will have to increase further or the Huskies will have to do some uncomfortable budget cutting. There's a reason why Husky fans are very concerned about their future if a P5 invite isn't in the cards.

I think Rutgers still has a significant subsidy as well despite their influx of Big Ten cash.

I think in part it's the issue of finding enough college football fans in the Northeast to be willing to drop money on not just the games but make donations as well. Of course, for UConn, their biggest problem is probably the fact they haven't been in the FBS all that long. They've built a decent program, but you really need a long standing tradition of fans going to games generation after generation to bring in big money. A great basketball tradition will only take you so far.

(07-12-2017 09:41 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  It's Purdue's problem now. Thanks Boilermakers!

Brand new football practice facility and just hired a great young coach from WKU.

Yep, seems completely incompetent .... definitely can't at all be a problem with GT or its donor base and/or fan base ....

Yep, it's all just a conspiracy between me and the Atlanta Journal Constitution, who are of course roundly known for being Georgia Tech brown nosers and haters of UGAg. /s

http://www.myajc.com/sports/college/geor...6l6fyJ5XK/

Pfft, what a weak opinion piece. One guy doesn't like him ... that's all that was.

Just don't be surprised when all of Tech's problems don't magically disappear.

(07-12-2017 01:05 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 08:22 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 07:26 AM)TopperCard Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 06:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 07:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

and,

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/159300...kings-2017

In looking at the numbers printed here and remembering that the private schools are not included you should note the following:

Big 12: T.C.U. 93 million , Baylor 90 million last year.
PAC: U.S.C. 106 million, and Stanford 112 million last year.
Big 10: Northwestern 77 million last year.
SEC: Vanderbilt earned in the 78 million last year.
ACC: Notre Dame 134 million, Duke 91 million, Miami 85 million, Syracuse 82 million, Pitt 71 million, Boston College 71 million, and Wake Forest 62 million last year.

So if you take the positions of finish this year for the public schools and estimate that the privates will finish roughly relative to where they were last year then any present P5 in 53 position or worse would finish out of the top 65 in revenue. So at 51st this year Georgia Tech would likely make the cut at 63rd whereas last year their were 66th.

Connecticut is the only public G5 that finishes in the top 65. Wake Forest is likely the only present P5 to finish out of 65th. We'll see for sure when the privates release their number for the year.

I thought UConn's revenue numbers were quite impressive considering their G5 status, until I noticed that almost half of that is allocated revenue from the University. That's a lot of subsidy, but with the AAC's lack of significant TV revenue, they almost have to do that to stay relevant.

It also includes temporary, but significant, revenue sources related to exit fees and the breakup of the old big East. When those go away (soon) UConn's subsidy will have to increase further or the Huskies will have to do some uncomfortable budget cutting. There's a reason why Husky fans are very concerned about their future if a P5 invite isn't in the cards.

I think Rutgers still has a significant subsidy as well despite their influx of Big Ten cash.

I think in part it's the issue of finding enough college football fans in the Northeast to be willing to drop money on not just the games but make donations as well. Of course, for UConn, their biggest problem is probably the fact they haven't been in the FBS all that long. They've built a decent program, but you really need a long standing tradition of fans going to games generation after generation to bring in big money. A great basketball tradition will only take you so far.

IIRC UCONN subsidies is inline with their peers, I believe even less. Its been awhile since I looked at their numbers but I believe what separated them from the rest of the G5 the most is their apparel deal. Cincinnati is a good comparison as they are top 3 in revenue in the AAC, UCONN has a smaller subsidy but an apparel deal that is nearly twice as large. They are presumably making the same amount from their conference but UCONN is making significantly more.

(07-14-2017 09:59 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 01:05 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 08:22 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 07:26 AM)TopperCard Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 06:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  In looking at the numbers printed here and remembering that the private schools are not included you should note the following:

Big 12: T.C.U. 93 million , Baylor 90 million last year.
PAC: U.S.C. 106 million, and Stanford 112 million last year.
Big 10: Northwestern 77 million last year.
SEC: Vanderbilt earned in the 78 million last year.
ACC: Notre Dame 134 million, Duke 91 million, Miami 85 million, Syracuse 82 million, Pitt 71 million, Boston College 71 million, and Wake Forest 62 million last year.

So if you take the positions of finish this year for the public schools and estimate that the privates will finish roughly relative to where they were last year then any present P5 in 53 position or worse would finish out of the top 65 in revenue. So at 51st this year Georgia Tech would likely make the cut at 63rd whereas last year their were 66th.

Connecticut is the only public G5 that finishes in the top 65. Wake Forest is likely the only present P5 to finish out of 65th. We'll see for sure when the privates release their number for the year.

I thought UConn's revenue numbers were quite impressive considering their G5 status, until I noticed that almost half of that is allocated revenue from the University. That's a lot of subsidy, but with the AAC's lack of significant TV revenue, they almost have to do that to stay relevant.

It also includes temporary, but significant, revenue sources related to exit fees and the breakup of the old big East. When those go away (soon) UConn's subsidy will have to increase further or the Huskies will have to do some uncomfortable budget cutting. There's a reason why Husky fans are very concerned about their future if a P5 invite isn't in the cards.

I think Rutgers still has a significant subsidy as well despite their influx of Big Ten cash.

I think in part it's the issue of finding enough college football fans in the Northeast to be willing to drop money on not just the games but make donations as well. Of course, for UConn, their biggest problem is probably the fact they haven't been in the FBS all that long. They've built a decent program, but you really need a long standing tradition of fans going to games generation after generation to bring in big money. A great basketball tradition will only take you so far.

IIRC UCONN subsidies is inline with their peers, I believe even less. Its been awhile since I looked at their numbers but I believe what separated them from the rest of the G5 the most is their apparel deal. Cincinnati is a good comparison as they are top 3 in revenue in the AAC, UCONN has a smaller subsidy but an apparel deal that is nearly twice as large. They are presumably making the same amount from their conference but UCONN is making significantly more.

Yeah, I think they're in line with other AAC members. Their subsidy is very large though compared to P5 schools.

(07-12-2017 05:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Pfft, what a weak opinion piece. One guy doesn't like him ... that's all that was.

Just don't be surprised when all of Tech's problems don't magically disappear.

I never said he was the source of all problems. But he was the source of the most pressing ones and a majority of them.

Tech's problem with football is that it needs to upgrade its facilities and get rid of PJ. His one-trick pony schemes have been figured out by ACC coaches, and high schools don't run them so he's trying to take shotgun/spread/chuck-n-duck high school players from the south and make them into 1930's triple option players.

Shouldn't really have a problem with bball. An arena is an arena, a practice facility is a practice facility. Simply a matter of if you can recruit better raw talent (freshmen, these days at high-majors) than your opponents, but you've got to deal with Duke and UNC. Tough sledding.

Not sure what other sports are important to Tech.


None of those really scream AD to me, except maybe the football facilities. But why is he going to bust his rump to build facilities for a football coach he was trying to fire?

AJC guy didn't like him, so wrote a douchy article about him with barely any examples proving anything, and found some non-coach in the dept who didn't like him to feed him a couple quotes.