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2015-6 Total Revenue
sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

and,

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/159300...kings-2017

Year over year:
SEC: 121 million to 130 million per school average.
B1G: 108 million to 116 million per school average.
B12: 102 million to 108 million per school average.
ACC: 87 million to 98 million per school average.
PAC: 89 million to 87 million per school average.


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RE: 2015-6 Total Revenue
(07-07-2017 07:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

and,

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/159300...kings-2017

Year over year:
SEC: 121 million to 130 million per school average.
B1G: 108 million to 116 million per school average.
B12: 102 million to 108 million per school average.
ACC: 87 million to 98 million per school average.
PAC: 89 million to 87 million per school average.

That's a stunning figure from the PAC. I know USC and Stanford both bring down big money, but I can't imagine they made so much more than their league peers last year that they overcame the average losses for everyone else. The PACN is not working.

Also of interest, WVU has now rocketed up to 3rd in the Big 12...26th overall. OSU, KU, and TT follow.
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RE: 2015-6 Total Revenue
(07-07-2017 11:11 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 07:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

and,

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/159300...kings-2017

Year over year:
SEC: 121 million to 130 million per school average.
B1G: 108 million to 116 million per school average.
B12: 102 million to 108 million per school average.
ACC: 87 million to 98 million per school average.
PAC: 89 million to 87 million per school average.

That's a stunning figure from the PAC. I know USC and Stanford both bring down big money, but I can't imagine they made so much more than their league peers last year that they overcame the average losses for everyone else. The PACN is not working.

Also of interest, WVU has now rocketed up to 3rd in the Big 12...26th overall. OSU, KU, and TT follow.

T.C.U. will be doing well too. I don't guess it matters what Baylor pulled down.
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RE: 2015-6 Total Revenue
(07-07-2017 11:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 11:11 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 07:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

and,

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/159300...kings-2017

Year over year:
SEC: 121 million to 130 million per school average.
B1G: 108 million to 116 million per school average.
B12: 102 million to 108 million per school average.
ACC: 87 million to 98 million per school average.
PAC: 89 million to 87 million per school average.

That's a stunning figure from the PAC. I know USC and Stanford both bring down big money, but I can't imagine they made so much more than their league peers last year that they overcame the average losses for everyone else. The PACN is not working.

Also of interest, WVU has now rocketed up to 3rd in the Big 12...26th overall. OSU, KU, and TT follow.

T.C.U. will be doing well too. I don't guess it matters what Baylor pulled down.

I wouldn't be shocked if Baylor's numbers are down. Their donor base can't be happy right now.
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RE: 2015-6 Total Revenue
(07-08-2017 12:10 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 11:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 11:11 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 07:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

and,

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/159300...kings-2017

Year over year:
SEC: 121 million to 130 million per school average.
B1G: 108 million to 116 million per school average.
B12: 102 million to 108 million per school average.
ACC: 87 million to 98 million per school average.
PAC: 89 million to 87 million per school average.

That's a stunning figure from the PAC. I know USC and Stanford both bring down big money, but I can't imagine they made so much more than their league peers last year that they overcame the average losses for everyone else. The PACN is not working.

Also of interest, WVU has now rocketed up to 3rd in the Big 12...26th overall. OSU, KU, and TT follow.

T.C.U. will be doing well too. I don't guess it matters what Baylor pulled down.

I wouldn't be shocked if Baylor's numbers are down. Their donor base can't be happy right now.

Everyone has been focused on TV revenue. If the BTN divests and they payout 10 million a year plus 1 million that they deem to be profit sharing and they get a 5 million dollar bump for their new contract guess what? They tie us in Total Gross Revenue. That's how far we are ahead. And the word is this year our TV portion is going to get a 3 million dollar bump when the totals come out.

Say what you will, but that is a heckuva a lot of lure for a couple of B12 schools, or more.

And if my suspicion is correct and the Big 10 is divesting from the BTN then those 10 million dollar bumps will be gone in 4 years time. If so it is probably to help their cause in attracting the B12 brands because there would no longer be a buy in. Next year when the network valuations are released if theirs continues to decline double digits in value then I'll know they are indeed divesting.
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RE: 2015-6 Total Revenue
The SEC is sitting pretty. The public median is Kentucky at $132M in revenue. The only two semi-realistic expansion options that currently bring home more than the SEC median is Texas $188M and Oklahoma $150M. So any additions without those two must sit below the current SEC average.

MSU is our lowest public earner at $94M. Here are the revenue earnings of current expansion candidates to some degree as well as some reference schools for scale:
$188M Texas
$150M Oklahoma
$113M FSU
$105M WVU
$95M UNC
$93M OK St
$90M KU
$83M VT
$82M Tx Tech
$80M NC St
$79M UConn
$78M ISU/KSU
$59M Cincinnati
$59M James Madison FCS
$46M Boise St

Assuming the adjustment for adding each school is adding $15M to current values if they were in the SEC today, the OU/OSU additions would push OU into the number two SEC spot just edging Alabama, while OSU would go from earning a million below MSU to tiring current 11th place Ole Miss. the only other option is WVU currently at $105M; adjusted to $120M would still place them right behind 10th place Ole Miss.
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RE: 2015-6 Total Revenue
(07-08-2017 12:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 12:10 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 11:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 11:11 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 07:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

and,

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/6/159300...kings-2017

Year over year:
SEC: 121 million to 130 million per school average.
B1G: 108 million to 116 million per school average.
B12: 102 million to 108 million per school average.
ACC: 87 million to 98 million per school average.
PAC: 89 million to 87 million per school average.

That's a stunning figure from the PAC. I know USC and Stanford both bring down big money, but I can't imagine they made so much more than their league peers last year that they overcame the average losses for everyone else. The PACN is not working.

Also of interest, WVU has now rocketed up to 3rd in the Big 12...26th overall. OSU, KU, and TT follow.

T.C.U. will be doing well too. I don't guess it matters what Baylor pulled down.

I wouldn't be shocked if Baylor's numbers are down. Their donor base can't be happy right now.

Everyone has been focused on TV revenue. If the BTN divests and they payout 10 million a year plus 1 million that they deem to be profit sharing and they get a 5 million dollar bump for their new contract guess what? They tie us in Total Gross Revenue. That's how far we are ahead. And the word is this year our TV portion is going to get a 3 million dollar bump when the totals come out.

Say what you will, but that is a heckuva a lot of lure for a couple of B12 schools, or more.

And if my suspicion is correct and the Big 10 is divesting from the BTN then those 10 million dollar bumps will be gone in 4 years time. If so it is probably to help their cause in attracting the B12 brands because there would no longer be a buy in. Next year when the network valuations are released if theirs continues to decline double digits in value then I'll know they are indeed divesting.

Question: would there be a buy in to the SECN or would the SEC just ask that new additions chip in their share on adjusted start up costs?
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RE: 2015-6 Total Revenue
(07-08-2017 01:48 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 12:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 12:10 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 11:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 11:11 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  That's a stunning figure from the PAC. I know USC and Stanford both bring down big money, but I can't imagine they made so much more than their league peers last year that they overcame the average losses for everyone else. The PACN is not working.

Also of interest, WVU has now rocketed up to 3rd in the Big 12...26th overall. OSU, KU, and TT follow.

T.C.U. will be doing well too. I don't guess it matters what Baylor pulled down.

I wouldn't be shocked if Baylor's numbers are down. Their donor base can't be happy right now.

Everyone has been focused on TV revenue. If the BTN divests and they payout 10 million a year plus 1 million that they deem to be profit sharing and they get a 5 million dollar bump for their new contract guess what? They tie us in Total Gross Revenue. That's how far we are ahead. And the word is this year our TV portion is going to get a 3 million dollar bump when the totals come out.

Say what you will, but that is a heckuva a lot of lure for a couple of B12 schools, or more.

And if my suspicion is correct and the Big 10 is divesting from the BTN then those 10 million dollar bumps will be gone in 4 years time. If so it is probably to help their cause in attracting the B12 brands because there would no longer be a buy in. Next year when the network valuations are released if theirs continues to decline double digits in value then I'll know they are indeed divesting.

Question: would there be a buy in to the SECN or would the SEC just ask that new additions chip in their share on adjusted start up costs?

Since we don't own a percentage there is no buy in. They would have to get streaming ready if they aren't already (and I believe they are) and they would earn an equal share from the beginning.
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RE: 2015-6 Total Revenue
(07-08-2017 01:31 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  The SEC is sitting pretty. The public median is Kentucky at $132M in revenue. The only two semi-realistic expansion options that currently bring home more than the SEC median is Texas $188M and Oklahoma $150M. So any additions without those two must sit below the current SEC average.

MSU is our lowest public earner at $94M. Here are the revenue earnings of current expansion candidates to some degree as well as some reference schools for scale:
$188M Texas
$150M Oklahoma
$113M FSU
$105M WVU
$95M UNC
$93M OK St
$90M KU
$83M VT
$82M Tx Tech
$80M NC St
$79M UConn
$78M ISU/KSU
$59M Cincinnati
$59M James Madison FCS
$46M Boise St

Assuming the adjustment for adding each school is adding $15M to current values if they were in the SEC today, the OU/OSU additions would push OU into the number two SEC spot just edging Alabama, while OSU would go from earning a million below MSU to tiring current 11th place Ole Miss. the only other option is WVU currently at $105M; adjusted to $120M would still place them right behind 10th place Ole Miss.

Note: Texas with Texas Tech brings 270 million or an average of 135 million each. With the extra SEC base the average would 150 million each.
Oklahoma with Oklahoma State brings 243 million or an average of 121.5 million each. So for that pairing ESPN bringing them both up that 15 million you were speaking of puts them right at 136 million each with the extra SEC base. So for the 4 it is still doable. Not preferable, but doable.
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RE: 2015-6 Total Revenue
Here are the 2015-16 Revenue Totals Including Privates
By Conference with Their National Standing

SEC:
1. Texas A&M 194,388,450
4. Alabama 164,009,745
7. L.S.U. 141,651,460
8. Florida 141,651,460
9. Tennessee 140,448,955
10. Auburn 140,070,593
14. Kentucky 132,180,246
15. Arkansas 124,981,042
16. Georgia 123,841,268
18. South Carolina 122,331,092
26. Mississippi 110,524,705
33. Missouri 97,275,839
37. Mississippi State 94,903,405
55. Vanderbilt 78,793,574

B1G:
3. Ohio State 170,789,765
5. Michigan 163,850,616
12. Wisconsin 132,788,726
13. Penn State 132,248,076
17. Michigan State 123,034,495
20. Minnesota 113,506,279
21. Iowa 113,249,020
23. Nebraska 112,142,961
34. Illinois 96,249,500
35. Indiana 95,216,762
39. Maryland 94,101,697
47. Rutgers 83,974,159
56. Purdue 78,699,976
59. Northwestern 77,906,464

B12:
2. Texas 164,009,745
6. Oklahoma 150,373,216
29. West Virginia 105,140,368
40. Oklahoma State 93,672,676
41. Texas Christian 93,259,382
43. Baylor 90,769,041
44. Kansas 90,658,829
49. Texas Tech 82,996,321
57. Iowa State 78,355,500
58. Kansas State 77,936,664

ACC:
19. Florida State 113,754,314
22. Louisville 112,146,504
30. Clemson 104,823,057
31. Virginia 103,272,319
36. North Carolina 95,175,985
42. Duke 91,971,836
45. Miami 85,615,972
48. Virginia Tech 83,702,698
50. Syracuse 82,676,041
52. N.C. State 80,225,029
61. Georgia Tech 76,409,293
62. Pittsburgh 75,273,117
64. Boston College 71,314,082
66. Wake Forest 62,053,671

11. *Notre Dame 134,211,095

PAC:
24. Stanford 112,036,255
25. Oregon 111,701,175
27. Washington 107,154,560
28. U.S.C. 106,195,078
32. U.C.L.A. 98,913,023
38. Arizona State 94,662,743
46. Arizona 85,356,236
51. California 81,653,024
53. Utah 79,447,512
60. Colorado 77,276,889
63. Oregon State 72,731,247
69. Washington State 58,753,266


G5 Schools That Placed Above P5 Schools:
54. Connecticut 79,229,275
65. Brigham Young 62,563,279
67. Central Florida 59,379,453
68. Cincinnati 59,062,156
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