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RE: Football-Indy Syndicate: Possible secession plan for MWC schools prior to 2020
The G5 conferences could still expand without losing much. You do have some good schools at the FCS level that can keep more inventory. Eastern Washington, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Jacksonville State and James Madison could bring something to the G5 network because they are strong football brands in the FCS right now.
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RE: Football-Indy Syndicate: Possible secession plan for MWC schools prior to 2020
(07-08-2017 04:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The G5 conferences could still expand without losing much. You do have some good schools at the FCS level that can keep more inventory. Eastern Washington, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Jacksonville State and James Madison could bring something to the G5 network because they are strong football brands in the FCS right now.

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RE: Football-Indy Syndicate: Possible secession plan for MWC schools prior to 2020
(07-08-2017 04:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  There is no way to jerry rig the basic principle of interest in your product.

Internet streaming isn't some magical vehicle to make millions of people care about MWC football teams, who didn't before.

This. Not sure how not having a TV deal and moving everything to streaming is a positive at the G5 level...in fact that is what FCS conferences like the BSC already have...so I guess this idea has that going for it.
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RE: Football-Indy Syndicate: Possible secession plan for MWC schools prior to 2020
If you can get a waiver from the NCAA, for a semifinal round of playoff games (2), for conferences bigger than @14 members, you merge the MWC schools with the AAC for football-only, and have a REALLY strong conference champion. I think the TV $ pie gets adjusted significantly.

CSU
AFA
UNM
Wyoming
Utah State
BSU

Hawaii
UNLV
Nevada
SJSU
Fresno State
SDSU

Cincy
Navy
UConn
ECU
Temple
USF

UCF
Memphis
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Tulsa

Can this be done? Can a conference de-sponsor a sport, in order to be absorbed by another conference? You wouldn't be slicing the existing-pie thinner. You wouldn't be just combining 2 already-small pies. TV market access would be impressive. You wouldn't stop at 24. You would tweak competitively and geographically.
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RE: Football-Indy Syndicate: Possible secession plan for MWC schools prior to 2020
That wasn't too creative. 3 divisions of 8 would be fun too.
Utah State
BSU
Hawaii
UNLV
Nevada
SJSU
Fresno State
SDSU

Cincy
Navy
UConn
ECU
Temple
USF
UCF
Memphis

Tulane
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
CSU
AFA
UNM
Wyoming
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RE: Football-Indy Syndicate: Possible secession plan for MWC schools prior to 2020
(07-08-2017 04:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The G5 conferences could still expand without losing much. You do have some good schools at the FCS level that can keep more inventory. Eastern Washington, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Jacksonville State and James Madison could bring something to the G5 network because they are strong football brands in the FCS right now.

You are making an assumption there is some sort of need for additional G5 inventory. There is absolutely no logical reason I can think of to support that view. Over the last decade, the ONLY reason an expansion of G5 inventory has occurred was to save G5 conference's threatened with collapse. Unless a conference is threatened with collapse, I dont think you'll see any expansion by the G5 conferences.
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RE: Football-Indy Syndicate: Possible secession plan for MWC schools prior to 2020
(07-09-2017 01:28 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  That wasn't too creative. 3 divisions of 8 would be fun too.
Utah State
BSU
Hawaii
UNLV
Nevada
SJSU
Fresno State
SDSU

Cincy
Navy
UConn
ECU
Temple
USF
UCF
Memphis

Tulane
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
CSU
AFA
UNM
Wyoming

A large nationwide "best of the rest" conference of 18-24 is the only model that hasnt been tried. Personally, I think such a conference might be able to eventually garner a solid media deal that allows a select group of G5 schools to survive and stay with the rest of the power schools.

That said, such a conference is not really possible without the complete deregulation of the rules governing divisions and conference championship football games. For a conference that large to work, the use of more than 2 divisions or a pod system would have to be legal. Using 3 or 4 divisions would allow a large nationwide conference to play in regional divisions while maintaining an 8 game schedule and a CCG. Such a conference would remain realtively affordable for G5 schools because the multiple regional divisions (or pods) would also provide for regional play (and reasonable travel costs) for most non-revenue sports. In other words, non-revenue sports would play all (or virtually all) of thier games within the division---thus costs for schools in the AAC, Sunbelt, or CUSA would probably see little if any increase in travel costs. Heck, they might even see reduced travel costs in some cases.
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RE: Football-Indy Syndicate: Possible secession plan for MWC schools prior to 2020
(07-09-2017 01:28 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  That wasn't too creative. 3 divisions of 8 would be fun too.
Utah State
BSU
Hawaii
UNLV
Nevada
SJSU
Fresno State
SDSU

Cincy
Navy
UConn
ECU
Temple
USF
UCF
Memphis

Tulane
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
CSU
AFA
UNM
Wyoming

It sounds fun in theory! But a nationwide conferenxe with the "Best of the Rest" would likely be closer to 18-20 with BYU, maybe Army, and excluding several.
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RE: Football-Indy Syndicate: Possible secession plan for MWC schools prior to 2020
Nothing would prevent such a conference structure, or even a conference 4-team playoff from that structure, now.

The only special thing that there is now is for a CCG to be exempt from the rule for maximum games in a regular season. IE, the CCG can be played as the 13th game for teams who have already played 12 games in the season.

The 3/4 division conference wouldn't qualify for that exemption .... but say you did 10 conf games during weeks 1-10 ... well, you could then have flexible scheduling so that the top four teams played in a bracket during weeks 11 and 12, with the rest of the schools playing two more conference games to round out their schedules.
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RE: Football-Indy Syndicate: Possible secession plan for MWC schools prior to 2020
(07-09-2017 02:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 04:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The G5 conferences could still expand without losing much. You do have some good schools at the FCS level that can keep more inventory. Eastern Washington, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Jacksonville State and James Madison could bring something to the G5 network because they are strong football brands in the FCS right now.

You are making an assumption there is some sort of need for additional G5 inventory. There is absolutely no logical reason I can think of to support that view. Over the last decade, the ONLY reason an expansion of G5 inventory has occurred was to save G5 conference's threatened with collapse. Unless a conference is threatened with collapse, I dont think you'll see any expansion by the G5 conferences.


North Dakota State have been getting a following thanks to ESPN. They are becoming the next Boise State and could be the next Cinderella team to bust the dance in football.
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