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RE: Alternate History College Sports Realignment Scenarios
A conference-hybrid on the scale of the original Big East will arguably never happen again, but I still think it could have succeeded with the eight non-football members it had at its conclusion (DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Notre Dame, Providence, Seton Hall, St. Johns and Villanova), as well as twelve full members (Boston College, Cincinnati, UConn, ECU, Louisville, Miami, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, Virginia Tech, West Virginia).
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Here's an alternate "Super" Big East of today wherein PSU and FSU joined early on rather than going to the Big Ten and ACC, respectively.

Big East
Football (North): Boston College, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn
Football (South): Florida State, Miami, Temple (FB only), Villanova, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Non-football: Georgetown, Notre Dame, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's
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(09-13-2017 09:36 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Here's an alternate "Super" Big East of today wherein PSU and FSU joined early on rather than going to the Big Ten and ACC, respectively.

Big East
Football (North): Boston College, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn
Football (South): Florida State, Miami, Temple (FB only), Villanova, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Non-football: Georgetown, Notre Dame, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's

"Super" football conference and Villanova just don't sound right together.
Please try again.
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(09-13-2017 11:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:36 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Here's an alternate "Super" Big East of today wherein PSU and FSU joined early on rather than going to the Big Ten and ACC, respectively.

Big East
Football (North): Boston College, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn
Football (South): Florida State, Miami, Temple (FB only), Villanova, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Non-football: Georgetown, Notre Dame, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's

"Super" football conference and Villanova just don't sound right together.
Please try again.

"Super" is more for the size than the quality. As I recall, Villanova was doing pretty well in I-AA back when football was added to the Big East in our timeline.
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RE: Alternate History College Sports Realignment Scenarios
(09-13-2017 12:13 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 11:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:36 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Here's an alternate "Super" Big East of today wherein PSU and FSU joined early on rather than going to the Big Ten and ACC, respectively.

Big East
Football (North): Boston College, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn
Football (South): Florida State, Miami, Temple (FB only), Villanova, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Non-football: Georgetown, Notre Dame, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's

"Super" football conference and Villanova just don't sound right together.
Please try again.

"Super" is more for the size than the quality. As I recall, Villanova was doing pretty well in I-AA back when football was added to the Big East in our timeline.

If Villanova went I-A 25 years ago, they would easily be a power school in the ACC or B1G. They are not AAU but rank very high academically.
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(09-13-2017 12:20 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If Villanova went I-A 25 years ago, they would easily be a power school in the ACC or B1G. They are not AAU but rank very high academically.

They went from #1 Regional (East) in USNWR to #50 National University. That's...impressive.
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(09-13-2017 02:26 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 12:20 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If Villanova went I-A 25 years ago, they would easily be a power school in the ACC or B1G. They are not AAU but rank very high academically.

They went from #1 Regional (East) in USNWR to #50 National University. That's...impressive.

It actually is. A regional university offers a master's at the highest (maybe a couple doctoral programs, but usually none.) A national university offers doctoral degrees and most national universities have been doing so for a while. So for Villanova to jump in from essentially zero doctoral programs to several or more and still be in the top 50 universities in the nation is impressive.
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Here's one:

In 1994, Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Utah, Kansas, and Nebraska all announce they are joaiming the Pac 10 in 1996. With the Big 8 cut in half, Missouri joins the Big 10 as its 12th member.

The three remaining Big 8 schools have a decision to make: join the SWC, raid or join the WAC, or look eastward and add from the independent ranks. They ultimately join the SWC, but pull in Memphis and Louisville as their 11th and 12th members

North - Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Memphis, Louisvile
South - Baylor, Rice, Houston, Texas A&M, SMU, TCU

The Southwest Confernce changes its name to the Big 12 conference.

This puts a damper on the Metro-Great Midwest merger. With Houston, Memphis, and Louisville gone, the conference never split noses football. Cincinnati, Southern Miss, and Tulane continue to compete as independents. East Carolina (1997) and Army (1998) also prolong their independence.

Meanwhile, the WAC settles down at 12 members:

Pacific - SDSU, SJSU, Fresno State, Hawaii, UNLV, Nevada
Mountain - BYU, Colorado State, Air Force, Wyoming, New Mexico, UTEP

Tulsa replaces Nevada in the Big West. Arkansas State eventually tags along. Louisiana Tech joins the Big West in 2001 instead of the WAC.

The fun begins in 2004 as the ACC takes three from the Big East, who then takes Louisville (Big 12), Cincinnati (C-USA/Ind.), and South Florida (C-USA/Ind.). The Big 12 takes BYU and Colorado State. C-USA takes Tulsa and Louisiana Tech. The WAC takes Boise State, Utah State, and Idaho.

Texas A&M and West Virginia join the SEC in 2012. The Big East adds TCU. The Big 12 add Tulane and UTEP. The WAC adds New Mexico State.

Pittsburgh and Syracuse leave for the ACC in 2013, and the Big East replaces them with Memphis and Houston.

Maryland and Rutgers join the Big Ten in 2014. The ACC adds Louisville and the Big East adds Central Florida.
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(09-25-2017 10:57 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Here's one:

In 1994, Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Utah, Kansas, and Nebraska all announce they are joaiming the Pac 10 in 1996. With the Big 8 cut in half, Missouri joins the Big 10 as its 12th member.

The three remaining Big 8 schools have a decision to make: join the SWC, raid or join the WAC, or look eastward and add from the independent ranks. They ultimately join the SWC, but pull in Memphis and Louisville as their 11th and 12th members

North - Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Memphis, Louisvile
South - Baylor, Rice, Houston, Texas A&M, SMU, TCU

The Southwest Confernce changes its name to the Big 12 conference.

This puts a damper on the Metro-Great Midwest merger. With Houston, Memphis, and Louisville gone, the conference never split noses football. Cincinnati, Southern Miss, and Tulane continue to compete as independents. East Carolina (1997) and Army (1998) also prolong their independence.

Meanwhile, the WAC settles down at 12 members:

Pacific - SDSU, SJSU, Fresno State, Hawaii, UNLV, Nevada
Mountain - BYU, Colorado State, Air Force, Wyoming, New Mexico, UTEP

Tulsa replaces Nevada in the Big West. Arkansas State eventually tags along. Louisiana Tech joins the Big West in 2001 instead of the WAC.

The fun begins in 2004 as the ACC takes three from the Big East, who then takes Louisville (Big 12), Cincinnati (C-USA/Ind.), and South Florida (C-USA/Ind.). The Big 12 takes BYU and Colorado State. C-USA takes Tulsa and Louisiana Tech. The WAC takes Boise State, Utah State, and Idaho.

Texas A&M and West Virginia join the SEC in 2012. The Big East adds TCU. The Big 12 add Tulane and UTEP. The WAC adds New Mexico State.

Pittsburgh and Syracuse leave for the ACC in 2013, and the Big East replaces them with Memphis and Houston.

Maryland and Rutgers join the Big Ten in 2014. The ACC adds Louisville and the Big East adds Central Florida.

so what's the end result? No Mountain West (WAC never splits), No American Athletic (Big East never splits), Idaho doesn't drop to FCS? Is the Big East still a major conference? Where are Creighton, Butler and Notre Dame?
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(09-26-2017 08:48 AM)megadrone Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 10:57 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Here's one:

In 1994, Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Utah, Kansas, and Nebraska all announce they are joaiming the Pac 10 in 1996. With the Big 8 cut in half, Missouri joins the Big 10 as its 12th member.

The three remaining Big 8 schools have a decision to make: join the SWC, raid or join the WAC, or look eastward and add from the independent ranks. They ultimately join the SWC, but pull in Memphis and Louisville as their 11th and 12th members

North - Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Memphis, Louisvile
South - Baylor, Rice, Houston, Texas A&M, SMU, TCU

The Southwest Confernce changes its name to the Big 12 conference.

This puts a damper on the Metro-Great Midwest merger. With Houston, Memphis, and Louisville gone, the conference never split noses football. Cincinnati, Southern Miss, and Tulane continue to compete as independents. East Carolina (1997) and Army (1998) also prolong their independence.

Meanwhile, the WAC settles down at 12 members:

Pacific - SDSU, SJSU, Fresno State, Hawaii, UNLV, Nevada
Mountain - BYU, Colorado State, Air Force, Wyoming, New Mexico, UTEP

Tulsa replaces Nevada in the Big West. Arkansas State eventually tags along. Louisiana Tech joins the Big West in 2001 instead of the WAC.

The fun begins in 2004 as the ACC takes three from the Big East, who then takes Louisville (Big 12), Cincinnati (C-USA/Ind.), and South Florida (C-USA/Ind.). The Big 12 takes BYU and Colorado State. C-USA takes Tulsa and Louisiana Tech. The WAC takes Boise State, Utah State, and Idaho.

Texas A&M and West Virginia join the SEC in 2012. The Big East adds TCU. The Big 12 add Tulane and UTEP. The WAC adds New Mexico State.

Pittsburgh and Syracuse leave for the ACC in 2013, and the Big East replaces them with Memphis and Houston.

Maryland and Rutgers join the Big Ten in 2014. The ACC adds Louisville and the Big East adds Central Florida.

so what's the end result? No Mountain West (WAC never splits), No American Athletic (Big East never splits), Idaho doesn't drop to FCS? Is the Big East still a major conference? Where are Creighton, Butler and Notre Dame?

Yes, please spell out the conferences.
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