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The American should abolish divisions.
SBNation came up with an alternative to the B1G

I think the American should do this. Move to 16 teams, abolish divisions, have 9 conference games, hold the championship game between the two teams with the best records. All existing and budding rivalries could be saved, and every team would play every other team at least twice every 4 years (except for one outlier).

Here's my recommendations for alignments. Apologies to Tulsa, your rivalries don't really make sense.



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UCF      | USF | ECU | Houston |
USF      | UCF | Cinci | UConn |
ECU      | UCF | Temple | Tulsa |
Tulane   | SMU | AFA | Navy |
Temple   | UConn | ECU | Tulsa |
UConn    | USF | Cinci | Temple |
Cinci    | USF | UConn | Memphis |
Memphis  | BYU | Houston | Cinci |
Houston  | Memphis | UCF | SMU |
Tulsa    | ECU | Temple | Boise |
SMU      | Tulane | Navy | Houston |
Navy     | AFA | SMU | Tulane |
BYU      | Boise | CSU | Memphis |
Boise    | BYU | CSU | Tulsa |
CSU      | AFA | BYU | Boise |
AFA      | Navy | Tulane | CSU |

Western adds would be FB only. From there we could decide to invite Olympic sports adds from a pool of maybe Dayton, VCU, and a few others, or stick to 12 in basketball.

This would gut the MWC, consolidate the best of the rest (for the most part) and make a solid case for $10MM / year / school. Not to mention all but locking up the NY6 bid every year. The abolishment of divisions means the best teams will definitely meet in the championship game.
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RE: The American should abolish divisions.
Current rules dont support that structure. In order to have a CCG you must do one of these two options---

Divide into TWO divisions and play a round robin within each division. Each division winner may then play in a CCG

OR

Play a round robin within the entire conference, where the top two finishers can then move on to a CCG

Basically, you have to play a round robin in the entire conference or a round robin within the divisions (and you are limited to just 2 divisions). In order to have a CCG with no divisions, the AAC would ahve to switch to an 11 game conference schedule. That aint going to happen.
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RE: The American should abolish divisions.
9 conference games is too many. You need more opportunities to play the P5 in the OOC games without shooting yourself in the foot by the extra conference game. That 9th conference game will give half the conference an extra loss than there might have been otherwise.

And, you need to replace BYU with SDSU. I am intrigued by the concept, but BYU administration won't give up 5-7 P5 games per year (including multiple P5 at home) from 2020 to 2025 for the AAC.

Also, I'd modify the "rivals" somewhat:

UConn: Temple, Cincy, USF
Cincy: UConn, USF, ECU
USF: UCF, UConn, Cincy
Temple: UConn, ECU, UCF
ECU: UCF, Cincy, Temple
UCF: USF, ECU, Temple
Memphis: Tulane, Tulsa, Houston
Tulane: Memphis, Tulsa, Houston
Houston: SMU, Tulane, Memphis
SMU: Houston, Tulsa, Navy
Tulsa: SMU, Tulane, Memphis
Navy: AFA, SMU, SDSU
AFA: Navy, CSU, Boise
CSU: AFA, SDSU, Boise
Boise: SDSU, CSU, AFA
SDSU: Boise, CSU, Navy

(this obviously only works if there is full CCG deregulation allowed)

As I've stated before, BYU and Gonzaga could be realistic Olympic sports targets to make the 18-school nation-wide conference a reality and give Boise, AFA, CSU, and SDSU Olympic sports a home. Nice and tidy Olympic sports divisions:

EAST: UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, ECU, UCF, USF
CENTRAL: Wichita, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Memphis, Tulane
WEST: Gonzaga, Boise, BYU, AFA, CSU, SDSU
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The American should abolish divisions.
(07-07-2017 10:31 AM)YNot Wrote:  9 conference games is too many. You need more opportunities to play the P5 in the OOC games without shooting yourself in the foot by the extra conference game. That 9th conference game will give half the conference an extra loss than there might have been otherwise.

That's valid, except for the fact that most of our OOC games are tougher than our conference games.




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RE: The American should abolish divisions.
Let's not do this. This conference is just now starting to mesh. Don't rock the boat.
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RE: The American should abolish divisions.
(07-07-2017 10:31 AM)YNot Wrote:  9 conference games is too many. You need more opportunities to play the P5 in the OOC games without shooting yourself in the foot by the extra conference game. That 9th conference game will give half the conference an extra loss than there might have been otherwise.

And, you need to replace BYU with SDSU. I am intrigued by the concept, but BYU administration won't give up 5-7 P5 games per year (including multiple P5 at home) from 2020 to 2025 for the AAC.

Also, I'd modify the "rivals" somewhat:

UConn: Temple, Cincy, USF
Cincy: UConn, USF, ECU
USF: UCF, UConn, Cincy
Temple: UConn, ECU, UCF
ECU: UCF, Cincy, Temple
UCF: USF, ECU, Temple
Memphis: Tulane, Tulsa, Houston
Tulane: Memphis, Tulsa, Houston
Houston: SMU, Tulane, Memphis
SMU: Houston, Tulsa, Navy
Tulsa: SMU, Tulane, Memphis
Navy: AFA, SMU, SDSU
AFA: Navy, CSU, Boise
CSU: AFA, SDSU, Boise
Boise: SDSU, CSU, AFA
SDSU: Boise, CSU, Navy

(this obviously only works if there is full CCG deregulation allowed)

As I've stated before, BYU and Gonzaga could be realistic Olympic sports targets to make the 18-school nation-wide conference a reality and give Boise, AFA, CSU, and SDSU Olympic sports a home. Nice and tidy Olympic sports divisions:

EAST: UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, ECU, UCF, USF
CENTRAL: Wichita, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Memphis, Tulane
WEST: Gonzaga, Boise, BYU, AFA, CSU, SDSU

In football, having a cross-national conference doesn't really matter for FBS. This would definitely work with BYU or San Diego St. With the other sports, having a couple non-football Western programs would be necessary for travel reasons.

I think YNot's set up works well. If the AAC were to get a permanent seat in the NY6, I think BYU would find their way in. Maybe something similar to the old Big East where they had a permanent spot in the BCS, just not a permanent bowl.

If BYU were to join, adding San Diego St and UNLV or New Mexico would be okay as well for 18. This would allow for 5 permanent rivals and 3-3-3-3 for the other 12 allowing each school to play all the others every 4 years in an 8-game season.

These aren't divisions but rather each school with their 5 permanent rivals which would end up looking like divisions...hmm...:

West: San Diego St, UNLV, Boise St, BYU, Air Force, Colorado St
Central: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Navy (fb)
East: Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut

For non-football, add Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and Saint Louis. That gets the AAC to 21 for basketball which would allow for a 20-game season that everyone gets to play everyone.

Not divisions, just the AAC basketball divided into 3 regions:

West: Gonzaga, St. Mary's, San Diego St, UNLV, Boise St, BYU, Colorado St
Central: Air Force, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Wichita St, Saint Louis
East: Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut, East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida
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RE: The American should abolish divisions.
You would get at least 75% of the MWC's TV contract value with just Boise St., Air Force, SDSU, and CSU. No reason to include more than you have to.

I agree that you need a couple other western schools to make Olympic sports work. The other alternative is to let Boise, SDSU, CSU, and Air Force find another home for Olympic sports - Big West, WAC, WCC, etc.

But, I believe Gonzaga and BYU Olympic sports would make sense for the expanded AAC. Gonzaga and BYU bring at least 75% of the WCC's TV contract value. No reason to include more than that.

With 16 football schools and 18 basketball schools, the setup is pretty straightforward and you add the lion's share of the MWC's and WCC's TV contract value to the AAC with top available brands, but only add 4 all sports members and 2 Olympic sports members.

You also have plenty of quality and flexible football and basketball inventory for weeknight games and 12pm to 10pm ET kickoffs and tipoffs. That synergy will bump the AAC contract even further.
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RE: The American should abolish divisions.
With the expanded AAC, I would do whatever it takes to affiliate with a bowl in the new Las Vegas NFL stadium and get the best opponent available, even if means the opponents gets a substantially better payout. Turn that to the AAC's anchor bowl.

Also, do whatever it takes to get at least a mini-conference challenge for basketball against one of the power conferences.
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RE: The American should abolish divisions.
(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)YNot Wrote:  With the expanded AAC, I would do whatever it takes to affiliate with a bowl in the new Las Vegas NFL stadium and get the best opponent available, even if means the opponents gets a substantially better payout. Turn that to the AAC's anchor bowl.

Also, do whatever it takes to get at least a mini-conference challenge for basketball against one of the power conferences.

With 18, it may be possible to get a challenge with the Big East where each Big East school gets 2 AAC challenge games. That means every year, 2 AAC schools will get 2 Big East games.
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(07-07-2017 10:47 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 10:31 AM)YNot Wrote:  9 conference games is too many. You need more opportunities to play the P5 in the OOC games without shooting yourself in the foot by the extra conference game. That 9th conference game will give half the conference an extra loss than there might have been otherwise.

And, you need to replace BYU with SDSU. I am intrigued by the concept, but BYU administration won't give up 5-7 P5 games per year (including multiple P5 at home) from 2020 to 2025 for the AAC.

Also, I'd modify the "rivals" somewhat:

UConn: Temple, Cincy, USF
Cincy: UConn, USF, ECU
USF: UCF, UConn, Cincy
Temple: UConn, ECU, UCF
ECU: UCF, Cincy, Temple
UCF: USF, ECU, Temple
Memphis: Tulane, Tulsa, Houston
Tulane: Memphis, Tulsa, Houston
Houston: SMU, Tulane, Memphis
SMU: Houston, Tulsa, Navy
Tulsa: SMU, Tulane, Memphis
Navy: AFA, SMU, SDSU
AFA: Navy, CSU, Boise
CSU: AFA, SDSU, Boise
Boise: SDSU, CSU, AFA
SDSU: Boise, CSU, Navy

(this obviously only works if there is full CCG deregulation allowed)

As I've stated before, BYU and Gonzaga could be realistic Olympic sports targets to make the 18-school nation-wide conference a reality and give Boise, AFA, CSU, and SDSU Olympic sports a home. Nice and tidy Olympic sports divisions:

EAST: UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, ECU, UCF, USF
CENTRAL: Wichita, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Memphis, Tulane
WEST: Gonzaga, Boise, BYU, AFA, CSU, SDSU

In football, having a cross-national conference doesn't really matter for FBS. This would definitely work with BYU or San Diego St. With the other sports, having a couple non-football Western programs would be necessary for travel reasons.

I think YNot's set up works well. If the AAC were to get a permanent seat in the NY6, I think BYU would find their way in. Maybe something similar to the old Big East where they had a permanent spot in the BCS, just not a permanent bowl.

First, wouldn't a permanent spot in the NY6 game be an easy way to leave us out of the playoff if we produced a good enough team? Do we want to be locked into a bowl game that has no chance to advance?

Secondly, wasn't mixing a bunch of football and non-sports teams what screwed up the Big East?



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