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RE: The American should abolish divisions.
http://deadspin.com/ucf-beats-uconn-in-f...1788119816

Wait a minute - I thought UConn's BIG rival was UCF 03-lmfao?
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(07-07-2017 11:53 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)YNot Wrote:  With the expanded AAC, I would do whatever it takes to affiliate with a bowl in the new Las Vegas NFL stadium and get the best opponent available, even if means the opponents gets a substantially better payout. Turn that to the AAC's anchor bowl.

Also, do whatever it takes to get at least a mini-conference challenge for basketball against one of the power conferences.

With 18, it may be possible to get a challenge with the Big East where each Big East school gets 2 AAC challenge games. That means every year, 2 AAC schools will get 2 Big East games.

It would be the other way around. Big East schools would get more AAC opponents. But, I doubt that is how it would work. The AAC and Big East would select the best matchups - without double-dipping. I like this for the first year:

Temple @ Villanova
Xavier @ Cincinnati
Georgetown @ UConn
Wichita @ Creighton
Butler @ Gonzaga
Memphis @ Providence
Marquette @ BYU
SMU @ St. John's
UCF @ Seton Hall
DePaul @ Tulsa
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RE: The American should abolish divisions.
We should do nothing until after the B12’s GOR expires. Even if the B12 stays intact, we will still likely lose a few schools. If it implodes, we all know what will happen to this conference.... Nevertheless, we could be proactive by trying to add Air Force, Army, and VCU if the TV $$ is worth it. If Air Force wants CSU to come, then we just add another eastern all-sports school. However, expanding all the way to SDSU and Boise St isn’t practical in my opinion. Also, neither school raised our projected TV $$ the last time we tried the ill-fated western expansion endeavor….
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(07-07-2017 11:57 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 10:47 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 10:31 AM)YNot Wrote:  9 conference games is too many. You need more opportunities to play the P5 in the OOC games without shooting yourself in the foot by the extra conference game. That 9th conference game will give half the conference an extra loss than there might have been otherwise.

And, you need to replace BYU with SDSU. I am intrigued by the concept, but BYU administration won't give up 5-7 P5 games per year (including multiple P5 at home) from 2020 to 2025 for the AAC.

Also, I'd modify the "rivals" somewhat:

UConn: Temple, Cincy, USF
Cincy: UConn, USF, ECU
USF: UCF, UConn, Cincy
Temple: UConn, ECU, UCF
ECU: UCF, Cincy, Temple
UCF: USF, ECU, Temple
Memphis: Tulane, Tulsa, Houston
Tulane: Memphis, Tulsa, Houston
Houston: SMU, Tulane, Memphis
SMU: Houston, Tulsa, Navy
Tulsa: SMU, Tulane, Memphis
Navy: AFA, SMU, SDSU
AFA: Navy, CSU, Boise
CSU: AFA, SDSU, Boise
Boise: SDSU, CSU, AFA
SDSU: Boise, CSU, Navy

(this obviously only works if there is full CCG deregulation allowed)

As I've stated before, BYU and Gonzaga could be realistic Olympic sports targets to make the 18-school nation-wide conference a reality and give Boise, AFA, CSU, and SDSU Olympic sports a home. Nice and tidy Olympic sports divisions:

EAST: UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, ECU, UCF, USF
CENTRAL: Wichita, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Memphis, Tulane
WEST: Gonzaga, Boise, BYU, AFA, CSU, SDSU

In football, having a cross-national conference doesn't really matter for FBS. This would definitely work with BYU or San Diego St. With the other sports, having a couple non-football Western programs would be necessary for travel reasons.

I think YNot's set up works well. If the AAC were to get a permanent seat in the NY6, I think BYU would find their way in. Maybe something similar to the old Big East where they had a permanent spot in the BCS, just not a permanent bowl.

First, wouldn't a permanent spot in the NY6 game be an easy way to leave us out of the playoff if we produced a good enough team? Do we want to be locked into a bowl game that has no chance to advance?

Secondly, wasn't mixing a bunch of football and non-sports teams what screwed up the Big East?



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I think getting a permanent NY6 spot would solidify the AAC as above the MWC, CUSA, MAC, and SBC which would give them much higher credibility and consideration for the CFP.

The mix definitely didn't help anything. A big part of it, I believe, was TOO MANY non-football schools (or football schools, however you want to look at it.) Each faction was fairly large and had its own agenda. Limiting the number of non-football schools to a couple would probably not have the same kind of effect as the old Big East.
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(07-07-2017 11:57 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 10:47 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 10:31 AM)YNot Wrote:  9 conference games is too many. You need more opportunities to play the P5 in the OOC games without shooting yourself in the foot by the extra conference game. That 9th conference game will give half the conference an extra loss than there might have been otherwise.

And, you need to replace BYU with SDSU. I am intrigued by the concept, but BYU administration won't give up 5-7 P5 games per year (including multiple P5 at home) from 2020 to 2025 for the AAC.

Also, I'd modify the "rivals" somewhat:

UConn: Temple, Cincy, USF
Cincy: UConn, USF, ECU
USF: UCF, UConn, Cincy
Temple: UConn, ECU, UCF
ECU: UCF, Cincy, Temple
UCF: USF, ECU, Temple
Memphis: Tulane, Tulsa, Houston
Tulane: Memphis, Tulsa, Houston
Houston: SMU, Tulane, Memphis
SMU: Houston, Tulsa, Navy
Tulsa: SMU, Tulane, Memphis
Navy: AFA, SMU, SDSU
AFA: Navy, CSU, Boise
CSU: AFA, SDSU, Boise
Boise: SDSU, CSU, AFA
SDSU: Boise, CSU, Navy

(this obviously only works if there is full CCG deregulation allowed)

As I've stated before, BYU and Gonzaga could be realistic Olympic sports targets to make the 18-school nation-wide conference a reality and give Boise, AFA, CSU, and SDSU Olympic sports a home. Nice and tidy Olympic sports divisions:

EAST: UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, ECU, UCF, USF
CENTRAL: Wichita, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Memphis, Tulane
WEST: Gonzaga, Boise, BYU, AFA, CSU, SDSU

In football, having a cross-national conference doesn't really matter for FBS. This would definitely work with BYU or San Diego St. With the other sports, having a couple non-football Western programs would be necessary for travel reasons.

I think YNot's set up works well. If the AAC were to get a permanent seat in the NY6, I think BYU would find their way in. Maybe something similar to the old Big East where they had a permanent spot in the BCS, just not a permanent bowl.

First, wouldn't a permanent spot in the NY6 game be an easy way to leave us out of the playoff if we produced a good enough team? Do we want to be locked into a bowl game that has no chance to advance?

Secondly, wasn't mixing a bunch of football and non-sports teams what screwed up the Big East?



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Does a permanent spot in a NYD bowl lock anyone else out of a playoff slot? Even if it did---it would still be a huge step forward for the AAC. Right now we are effectively locked out of the playoff with NO guaranteed NYD Bowl.

The reality is a guaranteed slot in a major NYD Bowl is the calling card of a P5 conference. Get that, and your conference championship race becomes more relevant and---more watched. More relevance and viewers translates into more money from networks. It may not be everything the AAC wants--but a guaranteed NYD Bowl would represent a quantum leap forward for the AAC.
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(07-07-2017 01:40 PM)Underdog Wrote:  We should do nothing until after the B12’s GOR expires. Even if the B12 stays intact, we will still likely lose a few schools. If it implodes, we all know what will happen to this conference.... Nevertheless, we could be proactive by trying to add Air Force, Army, and VCU if the TV $$ is worth it. If Air Force wants CSU to come, then we just add another eastern all-sports school. However, expanding all the way to SDSU and Boise St isn’t practical in my opinion. Also, neither school raised our projected TV $$ the last time we tried the ill-fated western expansion endeavor….

SDSU and Boise St. were set to be Big East/AAC members before ECU, Tulsa, and Tulane. It wasn't western expansion - it was establishing the new Big East/AAC as a conference - and Boise and SDSU were part of the plan. Geography concerns are irrelevant in the football only context.

If a scenario presents itself that also brings Air Force and CSU, or whoever, then Olympic sports should also be considered for their AAC membership. And, if great brands like Gonzaga and BYU might be available for AAC Olympic sports in that scenario, then it should be seriously considered.

The Big 12 GOR doesn't expire until 2025. That will probably match the end of the AAC's next TV deal. Not sure it makes sense to accept the status quo for another 5 or 6 years if another scenario could strengthen the AAC brand and deliver better TV ratings and exposure and more money.
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(07-07-2017 02:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 01:40 PM)Underdog Wrote:  We should do nothing until after the B12’s GOR expires. Even if the B12 stays intact, we will still likely lose a few schools. If it implodes, we all know what will happen to this conference.... Nevertheless, we could be proactive by trying to add Air Force, Army, and VCU if the TV $$ is worth it. If Air Force wants CSU to come, then we just add another eastern all-sports school. However, expanding all the way to SDSU and Boise St isn’t practical in my opinion. Also, neither school raised our projected TV $$ the last time we tried the ill-fated western expansion endeavor….

SDSU and Boise St. were set to be Big East/AAC members before ECU, Tulsa, and Tulane. It wasn't western expansion - it was establishing the new Big East/AAC as a conference - and Boise and SDSU were part of the plan. Geography concerns are irrelevant in the football only context.

If a scenario presents itself that also brings Air Force and CSU, or whoever, then Olympic sports should also be considered for their AAC membership. And, if great brands like Gonzaga and BYU might be available for AAC Olympic sports in that scenario, then it should be seriously considered.

The Big 12 GOR doesn't expire until 2025. That will probably match the end of the AAC's next TV deal. Not sure it makes sense to accept the status quo for another 5 or 6 years if another scenario could strengthen the AAC brand and deliver better TV ratings and exposure and more money.

You left out the fact that we also invited Air Force, BYU, Fresno St, and UNLV. Nevertheless, good points…. +2 for you....
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When were Fresno and UNLV extended invites? I wasn't aware of that. Concurrently with SDSU and Boise? Before or after Tulane and Tulsa? I assume it was to get to 16 teams, not 18.
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(07-07-2017 02:37 PM)YNot Wrote:  When were Fresno and UNLV extended invites? I wasn't aware of that. Concurrently with SDSU and Boise? Before or after Tulane and Tulsa? I assume it was to get to 16 teams, not 18.

“We know that the Big East is attempting to lure more teams out West, and the latest comes from CBS Sports' Dennis Dodd who is reporting that Fresno State and UNLV have had talks about joining the Big East as football-only member.

Big East commissioner Mike Aresco has kept these talks quiet to not allow regents of either school to find out about this situation. Well, too late for that. This is not a shock that Fresno State and UNLV were contacted, but with this being a football-only team. The only real shock is that if the timeline is correct, Tulane was an option before either of these schools....

Adding Fresno State and UNLV would give the Big East 15 football members, and 16 if they get BYU, whom the league has also had some informal talks with.


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So, the December 2012 story indicates that the Big East/AAC was trying to get to 15+ members, with Boise St. and SDSU - and Fresno and UNLV - on board. Tulane and ECU were set to join.

Tulsa didn't join until March 2013, about 3 months after Boise reversed course.

Funny, that Boise St. reversed its decision just two weeks after the Fresno/UNLV story.

I know Aresco has recently stated that expansion/realignment isn't really on the AAC's radar right now, but I assume the AAC is still willing to get to 16 members by adding 4 western schools...if the TV value is there.
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