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(07-12-2017 01:18 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 12:57 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  I truly believe that G5 relevance is about gone, period. We all scramble to claim the title of tallest midget every year while our programs barely break even. Meanwhile, even the worst of the P5 programs are banking $millions every year. It's really ridiculous to debate which G5 conference is the better of the five. It matters very little anymore.

Tell me all about this magical bygone golden age when non-major FBS conferences were relevant compared to today.

Was everyone raking in millions per school on TV deals? Was there a guaranteed spot in a major bowl game? Were they ever getting seven figures per school in postseason money the old BCS system? (Hint: No).

Sounds to me like you're just doing spin control because you realize it's not tenable anymore to say CUSA is a step up from the Sun Belt.

Folks need to wake up to the fact there has always been and will always be a pecking order in college athletics. The influx of cash for a few years was like the dot.com and real estate bubbles, but like all bubbles they eventually burst. G5 (specifically the SB & CUSA) just needs to realign itself within regions and play games against schools their fans know and can make sensible drives to away games. Things are actually better in a lot of ways. With today's technology at least we can see our teams play every weekend. That wasn't possible just a few years ago.
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(07-14-2017 05:11 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 01:56 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Man, you guys really do have some small man complex over here. Your OP lists CUSA's budgets alongside your own for comparison. Thread was mostly dead until a La Tech poster responded to some bait and you guys swarmed.

Umm I think the small man award goes the conference posters that constantly post on the others trying to convince someone they are still a better conference...but I digress. 07-coffee3

I'm just here to talk about BBQ, donuts and Ark States bogus financial figures

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RE: 2016 Revenue by School
(07-15-2017 07:55 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Folks need to wake up to the fact there has always been and will always be a pecking order in college athletics. The influx of cash for a few years was like the dot.com and real estate bubbles, but like all bubbles they eventually burst. G5 (specifically the SB & CUSA) just needs to realign itself within regions and play games against schools their fans know and can make sensible drives to away games. Things are actually better in a lot of ways. With today's technology at least we can see our teams play every weekend. That wasn't possible just a few years ago.

The thing about the tech bubble burst...that's a local trend and not a global one. The Tech sector of the economy is vastly more valuable now than it was in 2000 after the burst.

All empirical evidence shows things are on an upswing for the G5 and there's nothing to the contrary except sensationalist articles from sports writers. And I don't consider some words from a few CUSA ADs to mean anything, either. I think we know why they're upset, but they're not going to say it publicly.

Travel costs are down and G5 revenues are up. Why does there need to be any rush to going back to the FCS mentality of bus leagues?
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RE: 2016 Revenue by School
(07-15-2017 09:12 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 07:55 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Folks need to wake up to the fact there has always been and will always be a pecking order in college athletics. The influx of cash for a few years was like the dot.com and real estate bubbles, but like all bubbles they eventually burst. G5 (specifically the SB & CUSA) just needs to realign itself within regions and play games against schools their fans know and can make sensible drives to away games. Things are actually better in a lot of ways. With today's technology at least we can see our teams play every weekend. That wasn't possible just a few years ago.

The thing about the tech bubble burst...that's a local trend and not a global one. The Tech sector of the economy is vastly more valuable now than it was in 2000 after the burst.

All empirical evidence shows things are on an upswing for the G5 and there's nothing to the contrary except sensationalist articles from sports writers. And I don't consider some words from a few CUSA ADs to mean anything, either. I think we know why they're upset, but they're not going to say it publicly.

Travel costs are down and G5 revenues are up. Why does there need to be any rush to going back to the FCS mentality of bus leagues?

Don't know if I'd call it a "local" happening, but by the end of 2001 most of the publicly traded dotcom companies were gone, and trillions of dollars of investment capital vanished.

Travel costs are down in G5? According to who? They sure aren't for App. Call it a "bus league" mentality if you will, but sending your teams thousands of miles away and while your students miss an exorbitant amout of class time, when there are schools close by your fans would rather play is the definition of stupidity.
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(07-15-2017 10:00 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Don't know if I'd call it a "local" happening, but by the end of 2001 most of the publicly traded dotcom companies were gone, and trillions of dollars of investment capital vanished.

Travel costs are down in G5? According to who? They sure aren't for App. Call it a "bus league" mentality if you will, but sending your teams thousands of miles away and while your students miss an exorbitant amout of class time, when there are schools close by your fans would rather play is the definition of stupidity.

I don't see where your analogy to the tech bubble fits. Google, Yahoo, Ebay, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, and Intel were all around when the Tech bubble burst. When you've got any kind of technological renaissance like you had in the 1990s there's going to be a gold rush and many investors and entrepreneurs are going to come back empty handed.

Here's my breakdown of the situation:

1. Is the Bowl situation better than it used to be? Yes. At one time you practically had to win the conference championship to get to a bowl game and now the conference has five bowl tie-ins, with more possibly on the way. The ratings are not bad at all, too.

2. Is the TV contract situation better than it used to be? Yes. We get pocket change, but still better than what the Sun Belt would once get. And increased availability of stations like ESPN2 and ESPNU helps exposure for non-major FBS leagues.

3. Is post-season money better than it used to be? No question. You only need compare what the G5 gets from the CFP compared with the BCS as I said. And as I said before, there's automatic access to the NY6 bowls.

On top of that, GS and App (as an example) have significantly increased their budgets since moving to FBS. Being concerned because your travel costs went up several hundred thousand dollars a year just seems like missing the forest for the trees.
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