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RE: 2016 Revenue by School
How hard is it to understand that if you receive dollars and spend dollars to build and indoor practice facility and to raze your press box and build and entirely new one, that revenue and expenses will increase.
07-08-2017 03:33 PM
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RE: 2016 Revenue by School
(07-08-2017 03:30 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 03:13 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 11:30 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 11:12 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:08 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  The numbers are interesting to look at but don't mean that much for G5 schools.

Each school / state likely report things differently. For Coastal, one example is our expenses are higher because our in-state and probably out of state tuition is higher than most conference schools. For the Louisiana schools, I think their expenses appear lower thanks to the generous state scholarship programs.

I'd rather see more apple to apple comparisons. How many players are on scholarship? What are the coach salaries per sport? What are the program specific expenses? How much in general AD expenses? What are the band / spirit expenses? What is the school spending on bond payments for athletic buildings?

how and what generous state scholarship programs, are helping the Louisiana schools athletic expenses appear lower?

https://www.osfa.la.gov/tops_mainlink.html

Roka, I dont see how TOPS, help keep Athletic expenses lower. Tops is not related to Athletics

By recruiting athletes that qualify, the scholarships aren't paid by the athletic department thus keeping the expenses related to scholarships low. With a 2.5 minimum high school GPA and 2.3 minimum college GPA to renew it is the lowest state scholarship program I've seen.

ok, i can see that may happen some times for some Olympic sports. i dont believe it makes a big difference in the final numbers. However, on face value, guess it could make a difference to expenses.
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RE: 2016 Revenue by School
(07-08-2017 03:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  How hard is it to understand that if you receive dollars and spend dollars to build and indoor practice facility and to raze your press box and build and entirely new one, that revenue and expenses will increase.

How hard is it to understand the hard revenue did not increase at ASU or at least anywhere close to what ASU is reporting as revenue.

Now ASU might be different than most other schools but buildings are under the general fund and the building of those buildings are paid out of the general funds. Donations that are not under the general funds are usually athletic clubs. At Western that would be HAF and at ASU that would be the RWF.

As a lawyer I know you know this. Don't know why you are side stepping it like you are.

All of those projects are in the ARKANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM
Capital Projects Report May 8 , 2015 http://www.asusystem.edu/board-of-truste...eports.pdf

Now ASU might be different than most state own schools...Chief and a few others have told me ASU is different.

But buildings are own by the state and as the owner all projects would have to be funded through the general fund. Football budgets do not usually cover the building or updating the building on campus. That includes the stadium. So the money spent on them should not be revenue.
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RE: 2016 Revenue by School
(07-08-2017 04:30 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 03:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  How hard is it to understand that if you receive dollars and spend dollars to build and indoor practice facility and to raze your press box and build and entirely new one, that revenue and expenses will increase.

How hard is it to understand the hard revenue did not increase at ASU or at least anywhere close to what ASU is reporting as revenue.

Now ASU might be different than most other schools but buildings are under the general fund and the building of those buildings are paid out of the general funds. Donations that are not under the general funds are usually athletic clubs. At Western that would be HAF and at ASU that would be the RWF.

As a lawyer I know you know this. Don't know why you are side stepping it like you are.

All of those projects are in the ARKANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM
Capital Projects Report May 8 , 2015 http://www.asusystem.edu/board-of-truste...eports.pdf

Now ASU might be different than most state own schools...Chief and a few others have told me ASU is different.

But buildings are own by the state and as the owner all projects would have to be funded through the general fund. Football budgets do not usually cover the building or updating the building on campus. That includes the stadium. So the money spent on them should not be revenue.

I've heard many examples where an athletic foundation raises money and transfers to the school for payment. Nothing wrong with that at all.
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RE: 2016 Revenue by School
(07-08-2017 03:30 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 03:13 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 11:30 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 11:12 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:08 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  The numbers are interesting to look at but don't mean that much for G5 schools.

Each school / state likely report things differently. For Coastal, one example is our expenses are higher because our in-state and probably out of state tuition is higher than most conference schools. For the Louisiana schools, I think their expenses appear lower thanks to the generous state scholarship programs.

Could help with partial scholarship sports but not majors.

I'd rather see more apple to apple comparisons. How many players are on scholarship? What are the coach salaries per sport? What are the program specific expenses? How much in general AD expenses? What are the band / spirit expenses? What is the school spending on bond payments for athletic buildings?

how and what generous state scholarship programs, are helping the Louisiana schools athletic expenses appear lower?

https://www.osfa.la.gov/tops_mainlink.html

Roka, I dont see how TOPS, help keep Athletic expenses lower. Tops is not related to Athletics

By recruiting athletes that qualify, the scholarships aren't paid by (or attributed in case of subsidy) to the athletic department thus keeping the expenses related to scholarships low. With a 2.5 minimum high school GPA and 2.3 minimum college GPA to renew it is the lowest requirements for a state scholarship program I've seen.
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RE: 2016 Revenue by School
(07-08-2017 05:57 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 03:30 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 03:13 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 11:30 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 11:12 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  how and what generous state scholarship programs, are helping the Louisiana schools athletic expenses appear lower?

https://www.osfa.la.gov/tops_mainlink.html

Roka, I dont see how TOPS, help keep Athletic expenses lower. Tops is not related to Athletics

By recruiting athletes that qualify, the scholarships aren't paid by (or attributed in case of subsidy) to the athletic department thus keeping the expenses related to scholarships low. With a 2.5 minimum high school GPA and 2.3 minimum college GPA to renew it is the lowest requirements for a state scholarship program I've seen.


I think many are just missing or unaware of the point. The NCAA doesn't care what a scholarship covers, in or out of state. It's still one scholly to them.

To the school though, it's very different. For example, (totally made up cause I don't feel like looking it up), if Coastal Carolina recruits two football players, one from SC and one from GA, the SC kid's scholly will cost CCU say $10000 while the GA kid's scholly costs CCU $20000. This isn't just Olympics sports, or non head-count sports. It's true for all sports.

Therefore, a school like CCU, who is recruiting FL and GA heavily will spend considerably more $ (bc a lot are gonna be out of state) for the same of scholarships than say a GA school who can get high numbers of quality athletes at in state rates. The problem is obviously worse for schools with bigger disparities between in state and out of state rates.

As Rok points out, there are ways to "make it cheaper" for the athletics dept. Some schools will give in state rates to kids meeting certain academic levels. Some will give in state rates for majors not offered at a home state school. Etc. While I'm not 100% versed in the exact scenario Rok is implying with LA schools, I'm guessing it's along those lines.

But overall, yes, all scholarships are affected by in state vs out of state, depending on how the school handles it.
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RE: 2016 Revenue by School
(07-08-2017 05:45 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 04:30 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 03:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  How hard is it to understand that if you receive dollars and spend dollars to build and indoor practice facility and to raze your press box and build and entirely new one, that revenue and expenses will increase.

How hard is it to understand the hard revenue did not increase at ASU or at least anywhere close to what ASU is reporting as revenue.

Now ASU might be different than most other schools but buildings are under the general fund and the building of those buildings are paid out of the general funds. Donations that are not under the general funds are usually athletic clubs. At Western that would be HAF and at ASU that would be the RWF.

As a lawyer I know you know this. Don't know why you are side stepping it like you are.

All of those projects are in the ARKANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM
Capital Projects Report May 8 , 2015 http://www.asusystem.edu/board-of-truste...eports.pdf

Now ASU might be different than most state own schools...Chief and a few others have told me ASU is different.

But buildings are own by the state and as the owner all projects would have to be funded through the general fund. Football budgets do not usually cover the building or updating the building on campus. That includes the stadium. So the money spent on them should not be revenue.

I've heard many examples where an athletic foundation raises money and transfers to the school for payment. Nothing wrong with that at all.

That is not what happened here or you would see it as a donation. Look at 2015 and you see the 5 million dollar gift under Contributions. That is revenue. A one time revenue but still revenue and explains the anomaly from the other 9 years where Contributions were 1/5 mil and 1.5 mil. As as you pointed out a athletic foundation can give funds to the school. The money making P5 programs do that all the time. But you will see this money documented.
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(07-08-2017 06:14 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Does that post make you feel better?

Apparently not, he lodged the exact same complaint on the CUSA board.
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Sheesh! Let it go dude. We had a good year. Move on. At this point you are coming off as an insecure fan threatened by what you perceive as a lowly SunBelt team. Yes, accounting differs from one state to the next. The way the accounting works in Arkansas stAte has to report the one time donations this way. Like it or hate it, that's the truth of that year's accounting for our circumstances. You're the only one making a hot mess of this.
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(07-08-2017 08:23 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Sheesh! Let it go dude. We had a good year. Move on. At this point you are coming off as an insecure fan threatened by what you perceive as a lowly SunBelt team. Yes, accounting differs from one state to the next. The way the accounting works in Arkansas stAte has to report the one time donations this way. Like it or hate it, that's the truth of that year's accounting for our circumstances. You're the only one making a hot mess of this.

Just an idiot Topper. I am surprised he can read or type.
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