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2016 Revenue by School
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USA Today is totally accurate when AState was shown having donations under $100k despite tax returns to the contrary.
USA Today report is BOGUS when AState is 68th in the country.
WKUYG has Uber hate for AState so whatever way makes AState look the worst is the correct reading. Never mind that AState pulled in about $10 million more in sponsorship and restricted purpose gifts (all same dude).
Never mind that USA Today no longer asks schools to report data in the categories and craft the report, they FOI a report schools are required to submit to the NCAA following NCAA established and required procedures. It is a REQUIREMENT of membership in other words dicking around is a violation.
No no no no it is all evil mind tricks.

Just another poor soul who thought a conference patch magically conferred superiority.
Learfield pays AState $1.6 million a year for marketing rights. UNT and La Tech $500,000 each. Why oh why? AState has no pro competition in state, only one P5 in state, no other G5's in state. Hell Riceland Foods was willing to fund a new bowl game just help AState. The owner of Centennial Bank couldn't get his board to buy our stadium naming rights because they had no banks in NE Arkansas so he bought the bank that got the naming rights. Learfield paid more because they know they can make more selling the Red Wolves than UNT and Tech combined.

But surely it's fake if you just hate AState a little harder. Poor WKU misses us even now.
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RE: 2016 Revenue by School
(07-08-2017 02:23 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Someone said 2016 was the last year of the Fox deal. I believe that's wrong...2016 is the first year of the two year deal CUSA signed. A deal without Fox

There's a reason you see large increases in revenue for a few SBC schools. Those schools are counting building funds as revenue.

Does anyone honestly think ARK St increased their revenue by 23 million in two years and 14 million in one year. With that Ark St had a increase of 300k in ticket sales and a 4 million drop in Contributions from 2015 to 2016

In 2013 coming off back to back 10 win seasons ARK ST listed Contributions at $403,388 which is closer to the previous 8 years other than 2012 84k. Then coming off a 7-6 season Contributions jumps to over 6 million while tickets sales decreased.

I was told by Chief many years ago...ARK ST does it the "ARK ST WAY" which is different than any other school in FBS

When you see a anomaly like the $18,922,066 in the "other" when that number was between 2.5 & 3 million the previous 8 years. It would set off bells, whistles, and red flags and You would be audited if this was a tax return.

No G5 school jumps 15 million unless it's a building fund.

It looks like at least a couple SBC schools treat building funds as revenue. GASO show a 9 million dollar increase in revenue. The only other year they had over a 2 million increase was their move up and that was 5 million. 4.5 million (half) came from a increase in school funds. If you look at their expenses you will see a 5.3 million one time increase in Facilities / Overhead. Again going by the previous 11 season that is a huge anomaly.

So like Ark St I bet GASO had some building going on during the 2016 season that they didn't the previous years. Either started or finished.

Most school I looked at does not use one time building funds as revenue. I know for a fact Western does not do this. At Western bond payments are listed yearly Facilities / Overhead. And one time donations like 5 million for naming rights (2007) to the football stadium will not show up as other, Contributions or Rights / Licensing. You will not see onetime donations directed at a project listed in Western revenue. Like the 2.5 million donated to put in new video boards in Diddle arena and Houchen's stadium. That money has to go into the general fund then a line item on that years budget. Under the "other" it was explained to me this revenue is mostly guarantees from football and basketball, coaches buyout, if any, concessions, parking.

If you look at Western you will see a 1.7 million increase in the OTHER revenue for 2014 over 2013. That was the year BP took the Louisville job and the buyout was 1.5 million.

I guess I could have stopped at if you have a anomaly and it can't be explained by Ticket Sales, Contributions. Rights / Licensing, or a huge pay day from guarantee games.....it's not revenue in the way most if not all of the rest of us define revenue

Little fella you should probably try to get people to come out and watch your games and let your superiors take care of their business. Shoo!
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keep in mind, while the debate over these numbers continue, that these figures are 2 years old. as we stand today, things have changed for each school from the 2015-2016 year. 07-coffee3
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I think that GSU owning our own building will change our revenue profile a bit.
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(07-08-2017 08:08 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  The numbers are interesting to look at but don't mean that much for G5 schools.

Each school / state likely report things differently. For Coastal, one example is our expenses are higher because our in-state and probably out of state tuition is higher than most conference schools. For the Louisiana schools, I think their expenses appear lower thanks to the generous state scholarship programs.

I'd rather see more apple to apple comparisons. How many players are on scholarship? What are the coach salaries per sport? What are the program specific expenses? How much in general AD expenses? What are the band / spirit expenses? What is the school spending on bond payments for athletic buildings?

how and what generous state scholarship programs, are helping the Louisiana schools athletic expenses appear lower?
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(07-08-2017 11:12 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:08 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  The numbers are interesting to look at but don't mean that much for G5 schools.

Each school / state likely report things differently. For Coastal, one example is our expenses are higher because our in-state and probably out of state tuition is higher than most conference schools. For the Louisiana schools, I think their expenses appear lower thanks to the generous state scholarship programs.

I'd rather see more apple to apple comparisons. How many players are on scholarship? What are the coach salaries per sport? What are the program specific expenses? How much in general AD expenses? What are the band / spirit expenses? What is the school spending on bond payments for athletic buildings?

how and what generous state scholarship programs, are helping the Louisiana schools athletic expenses appear lower?

https://www.osfa.la.gov/tops_mainlink.html
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(07-08-2017 10:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  WKYUG explained
USA Today is totally accurate when AState was shown having donations under $100k despite tax returns to the contrary.
USA Today report is BOGUS when AState is 68th in the country.
WKUYG has Uber hate for AState so whatever way makes AState look the worst is the correct reading. Never mind that AState pulled in about $10 million more in sponsorship and restricted purpose gifts (all same dude).
Never mind that USA Today no longer asks schools to report data in the categories and craft the report, they FOI a report schools are required to submit to the NCAA following NCAA established and required procedures. It is a REQUIREMENT of membership in other words dicking around is a violation.
No no no no it is all evil mind tricks.

Just another poor soul who thought a conference patch magically conferred superiority.
Learfield pays AState $1.6 million a year for marketing rights. UNT and La Tech $500,000 each. Why oh why? AState has no pro competition in state, only one P5 in state, no other G5's in state. Hell Riceland Foods was willing to fund a new bowl game just help AState. The owner of Centennial Bank couldn't get his board to buy our stadium naming rights because they had no banks in NE Arkansas so he bought the bank that got the naming rights. Learfield paid more because they know they can make more selling the Red Wolves than UNT and Tech combined.

But surely it's fake if you just hate AState a little harder. Poor WKU misses us even now.

You will not find any post by me saying CUSA is better in anything just because it's CUSA....

As to the numbers reported by ASU and as a lawyer that's been involved with ASU for as long as I remember. You know donations and naming rights would fall in one of these .....

Contributions, Rights / Licensing and not OTHER

I understand why ASU started listing everything including the kitchen sink in as "budget" related. With a budget around 13 to 15 million ASU was not going anywhere if a conference added schools. You know that, I know that, everyone should understand that. ASU can win the SBC every year and that budget along with limitations of location (Western had that same problem...still does) ASU would not be a target in any future expansion.

So if state laws limits the way ASU can report numbers as Chief has said since we been doing this game...going on at least 10 years. ASU found a way around those laws to make the school more attractive if there's future expansion. As most of us has seen in the last 6 or 7 years ...winning is not #1 on the list. It should be but isn't.

That 18 million is more than every school I looked at for "other"
I went down the line starting at A and just clicked on schools...some P5 and G5 to get a good mix. You know there's some fuzzy math going on with the way ASU counts.

Just look at Expenses for ASU your school pays less for coaches than Western. Scholarships dollars close to same and less in Facilities / Overhead

But ASU list $27,082,809 in the OTHER for expenses. Now tell me, what "other" is there that could add up to that amount?
2015 $16,067,778,
2014 $8,103,962.

Most of the previous 9 years 3-4 million range. Now tell me in what year did ASU start upgrading their stadium? How mush has ASU invested in building since 2014? I bet it's in the neighborhood of that 51 million increase in the "OTHER" for expenses.


"OTHER" revenue
Boise State 3,4,6 million range
Arkansas under 1 million (they dont play pay check games)
Bowling Green 3 million range
UFC 12 million 2016 usually 1-3 million
Cincinnati 5 million
Clemson 7 million 2016 usually 1-4 million
Colorado State 2 million range
East Carolina 2 million range
Georgia 3 to 6 million
Houston usually in the 1 to 2 million had a jump to 5 mil in 2016...NY-6 bowl?
UK 3 to 4 million
Louisiana-Lafayette 1 to 2 million
Marshall 1-2 million
Memphis 1-2 million
Mississippi 1-3 except 2014 7 million they played in a NY-6 bowl
San Diego State 1-3 million
South Alabama 1-3 million
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(07-08-2017 11:11 AM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  I think that GSU owning our own building will change our revenue profile a bit.

But you don't own it right now. Carter does.

That's how you're getting around the 100% funding requirement from the BoR.
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(07-08-2017 11:30 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 11:12 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:08 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  The numbers are interesting to look at but don't mean that much for G5 schools.

Each school / state likely report things differently. For Coastal, one example is our expenses are higher because our in-state and probably out of state tuition is higher than most conference schools. For the Louisiana schools, I think their expenses appear lower thanks to the generous state scholarship programs.

I'd rather see more apple to apple comparisons. How many players are on scholarship? What are the coach salaries per sport? What are the program specific expenses? How much in general AD expenses? What are the band / spirit expenses? What is the school spending on bond payments for athletic buildings?

how and what generous state scholarship programs, are helping the Louisiana schools athletic expenses appear lower?

https://www.osfa.la.gov/tops_mainlink.html

Roka, I dont see how TOPS, help keep Athletic expenses lower. Tops is not related to Athletics
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(07-08-2017 03:13 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 11:30 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 11:12 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 08:08 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  The numbers are interesting to look at but don't mean that much for G5 schools.

Each school / state likely report things differently. For Coastal, one example is our expenses are higher because our in-state and probably out of state tuition is higher than most conference schools. For the Louisiana schools, I think their expenses appear lower thanks to the generous state scholarship programs.

I'd rather see more apple to apple comparisons. How many players are on scholarship? What are the coach salaries per sport? What are the program specific expenses? How much in general AD expenses? What are the band / spirit expenses? What is the school spending on bond payments for athletic buildings?

how and what generous state scholarship programs, are helping the Louisiana schools athletic expenses appear lower?

https://www.osfa.la.gov/tops_mainlink.html

Roka, I dont see how TOPS, help keep Athletic expenses lower. Tops is not related to Athletics

By recruiting athletes that qualify, the scholarships aren't paid by (or attributed in case of subsidy) to the athletic department thus keeping the expenses related to scholarships low. With a 2.5 minimum high school GPA and 2.3 minimum college GPA to renew it is the lowest requirements for a state scholarship program I've seen.
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