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RE: 2016 Revenue by School
(07-07-2017 10:57 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I'm a little surprised how low ULL is.
I noticed that both them and and ULM are low (good) in subsidy as well, but I think it's artificial. I looked at some articles a while back when the higher ed funding debate in LA was in the news, and they are receiving a lot of funds from their campus Auxiliaries which may not be technically a straight subsidy because it is not General Educational funds, but is nonetheless borne on the backs of the students. It won't be long until someone in their state legislature starts bringing it up and causing it to be an issue if they are anything like GA.
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Huge leap up for Georgia Southern

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

http://savannahnow.com/news/sports/2017-...plus-2016#

Our revenue will go up about 2-3M with the absorption of Armstrong I believe soon as well.

Congrats to ArkST for being the school with the least amount allocated at 30.39%

GaSt is the worst at 77.74% CCU will pass them in that category likely next year.
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RE: 2016 Revenue by School
(07-07-2017 09:52 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 09:32 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  Rank, School, Conf, Revenue, Expense, Subsidized, % Subsidized
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Because of Kirby Smart's law, Georgia Southern and Georgia State are only allowed to have our budgets 65% subsidized so does that mean Georgia Southern could increase our athletic fee if we wanted to?

Only with the BOR approval and that is not going to happen anytime soon. Nor should we as it is high enough. Plus we have the FBS fee and will be getting 2-3M more as soon as Armstrong kids athletic fees start coming in this fall.

TK has done an excellent job in the financial area we were second to last I believe coming into the Sun Belt now 4th likely to be second next year with the absorption of Armstrong and continued growth.
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Someone said 2016 was the last year of the Fox deal. I believe that's wrong...2016 is the first year of the two year deal CUSA signed. A deal without Fox

There's a reason you see large increases in revenue for a few SBC schools. Those schools are counting building funds as revenue.

Does anyone honestly think ARK St increased their revenue by 23 million in two years and 14 million in one year. With that Ark St had a increase of 300k in ticket sales and a 4 million drop in Contributions from 2015 to 2016

In 2013 coming off back to back 10 win seasons ARK ST listed Contributions at $403,388 which is closer to the previous 8 years other than 2012 84k. Then coming off a 7-6 season Contributions jumps to over 6 million while tickets sales decreased.

I was told by Chief many years ago...ARK ST does it the "ARK ST WAY" which is different than any other school in FBS

When you see a anomaly like the $18,922,066 in the "other" when that number was between 2.5 & 3 million the previous 8 years. It would set off bells, whistles, and red flags and You would be audited if this was a tax return.

No G5 school jumps 15 million unless it's a building fund.

It looks like at least a couple SBC schools treat building funds as revenue. GASO show a 9 million dollar increase in revenue. The only other year they had over a 2 million increase was their move up and that was 5 million. 4.5 million (half) came from a increase in school funds. If you look at their expenses you will see a 5.3 million one time increase in Facilities / Overhead. Again going by the previous 11 season that is a huge anomaly.

So like Ark St I bet GASO had some building going on during the 2016 season that they didn't the previous years. Either started or finished.

Most school I looked at does not use one time building funds as revenue. I know for a fact Western does not do this. At Western bond payments are listed yearly Facilities / Overhead. And one time donations like 5 million for naming rights (2007) to the football stadium will not show up as other, Contributions or Rights / Licensing. You will not see onetime donations directed at a project listed in Western revenue. Like the 2.5 million donated to put in new video boards in Diddle arena and Houchen's stadium. That money has to go into the general fund then a line item on that years budget. Under the "other" it was explained to me this revenue is mostly guarantees from football and basketball, coaches buyout, if any, concessions, parking.

If you look at Western you will see a 1.7 million increase in the OTHER revenue for 2014 over 2013. That was the year BP took the Louisville job and the buyout was 1.5 million.

I guess I could have stopped at if you have a anomaly and it can't be explained by Ticket Sales, Contributions. Rights / Licensing, or a huge pay day from guarantee games.....it's not revenue in the way most if not all of the rest of us define revenue
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(07-08-2017 02:23 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Someone said 2016 was the last year of the Fox deal. I believe that's wrong...2016 is the first year of the two year deal CUSA signed. A deal without Fox

There's a reason you see large increases in revenue for a few SBC schools. Those schools are counting building funds as revenue.

Does anyone honestly think ARK St increased their revenue by 23 million in two years and 14 million in one year. With that Ark St had a increase of 300k in ticket sales and a 4 million drop in Contributions from 2015 to 2016

In 2013 coming off back to back 10 win seasons ARK ST listed Contributions at $403,388 which is closer to the previous 8 years other than 2012 84k. Then coming off a 7-6 season Contributions jumps to over 6 million while tickets sales decreased.

I was told by Chief many years ago...ARK ST does it the "ARK ST WAY" which is different than any other school in FBS

When you see a anomaly like the $18,922,066 in the "other" when that number was between 2.5 & 3 million the previous 8 years. It would set off bells, whistles, and red flags and You would be audited if this was a tax return.

No G5 school jumps 15 million unless it's a building fund.

It looks like at least a couple SBC schools treat building funds as revenue. GASO show a 9 million dollar increase in revenue. The only other year they had over a 2 million increase was their move up and that was 5 million. 4.5 million (half) came from a increase in school funds. If you look at their expenses you will see a 5.3 million one time increase in Facilities / Overhead. Again going by the previous 11 season that is a huge anomaly.

So like Ark St I bet GASO had some building going on during the 2016 season that they didn't the previous years. Either started or finished.

Most school I looked at does not use one time building funds as revenue. I know for a fact Western does not do this. At Western bond payments are listed yearly Facilities / Overhead. And one time donations like 5 million for naming rights (2007) to the football stadium will not show up as other, Contributions or Rights / Licensing. You will not see onetime donations directed at a project listed in Western revenue. Like the 2.5 million donated to put in new video boards in Diddle arena and Houchen's stadium. That money has to go into the general fund then a line item on that years budget. Under the "other" it was explained to me this revenue is mostly guarantees from football and basketball, coaches buyout, if any, concessions, parking.

If you look at Western you will see a 1.7 million increase in the OTHER revenue for 2014 over 2013. That was the year BP took the Louisville job and the buyout was 1.5 million.

I guess I could have stopped at if you have a anomaly and it can't be explained by Ticket Sales, Contributions. Rights / Licensing, or a huge pay day from guarantee games.....it's not revenue in the way most if not all of the rest of us define revenue


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(07-08-2017 02:23 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Someone said 2016 was the last year of the Fox deal. I believe that's wrong...2016 is the first year of the two year deal CUSA signed. A deal without Fox

There's a reason you see large increases in revenue for a few SBC schools. Those schools are counting building funds as revenue.

Does anyone honestly think ARK St increased their revenue by 23 million in two years and 14 million in one year. With that Ark St had a increase of 300k in ticket sales and a 4 million drop in Contributions from 2015 to 2016

In 2013 coming off back to back 10 win seasons ARK ST listed Contributions at $403,388 which is closer to the previous 8 years other than 2012 84k. Then coming off a 7-6 season Contributions jumps to over 6 million while tickets sales decreased.

I was told by Chief many years ago...ARK ST does it the "ARK ST WAY" which is different than any other school in FBS

When you see a anomaly like the $18,922,066 in the "other" when that number was between 2.5 & 3 million the previous 8 years. It would set off bells, whistles, and red flags and You would be audited if this was a tax return.

No G5 school jumps 15 million unless it's a building fund.

It looks like at least a couple SBC schools treat building funds as revenue. GASO show a 9 million dollar increase in revenue. The only other year they had over a 2 million increase was their move up and that was 5 million. 4.5 million (half) came from a increase in school funds. If you look at their expenses you will see a 5.3 million one time increase in Facilities / Overhead. Again going by the previous 11 season that is a huge anomaly.

So like Ark St I bet GASO had some building going on during the 2016 season that they didn't the previous years. Either started or finished.

Most school I looked at does not use one time building funds as revenue. I know for a fact Western does not do this. At Western bond payments are listed yearly Facilities / Overhead. And one time donations like 5 million for naming rights (2007) to the football stadium will not show up as other, Contributions or Rights / Licensing. You will not see onetime donations directed at a project listed in Western revenue. Like the 2.5 million donated to put in new video boards in Diddle arena and Houchen's stadium. That money has to go into the general fund then a line item on that years budget. Under the "other" it was explained to me this revenue is mostly guarantees from football and basketball, coaches buyout, if any, concessions, parking.

If you look at Western you will see a 1.7 million increase in the OTHER revenue for 2014 over 2013. That was the year BP took the Louisville job and the buyout was 1.5 million.

I guess I could have stopped at if you have a anomaly and it can't be explained by Ticket Sales, Contributions. Rights / Licensing, or a huge pay day from guarantee games.....it's not revenue in the way most if not all of the rest of us define revenue




Is it possible that WKU does it's thing in accordance with Kentucky state laws and Arkansas State does its accounting in line with the laws of Arkansas? By the way, would love to whip the 'toppers ass again.
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The only thing that looks suspicious in GS's report is the dramatic increase under the "contributions" category (similarly, I don't buy that Ark State's donations tanked like it apparently did from 2015 to 2016).

I believe the biggest one-time expense we had in 2016 was the $1 million+ face lift for the baseball stadium for the Sun Belt tournament. There was not any major renovations or construction projects, and both revenue and expenses were significantly higher than in 2013 when we built our 65,000 square foot FOC and expanded the stadium.

Our revenue may not top $30 mil next year but I promise it's not going to dip down to anywhere near where it was when we were first in FBS. 04-cheers

What's interesting is that WKUG is calling BS on USA today's revenue numbers but just wants us to accept at face value that CUSA teams get more in licensing revenue just because they're CUSA. I might be thinking of another WKU fan, but I think it was him.
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The numbers are interesting to look at but don't mean that much for G5 schools.

Each school / state likely report things differently. For Coastal, one example is our expenses are higher because our in-state and probably out of state tuition is higher than most conference schools. For the Louisiana schools, I think their expenses appear lower thanks to the generous state scholarship programs.

I'd rather see more apple to apple comparisons. How many players are on scholarship? What are the coach salaries per sport? What are the program specific expenses? How much in general AD expenses? What are the band / spirit expenses? What is the school spending on bond payments for athletic buildings?
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Been looking all over campus for 9M dollars worth of facility upgrades and I can't find sh#t. Too bad, WKUYG got me all excited.
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