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Colleges are spending more on their athletes because they can..
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Louisiana Tech athletics director Tommy McClelland said in an interview that athletics departments outside the Power Five conferences recognize they need to do what they can to increase revenue. Their universities — and, in some cases, state governments — are continuing to add to the amounts of money they give to athletics programs from their general funds or through student fees. But McClelland says it’s also a matter of priorities, and he insists that there is no sense of losing ground competitively even though his school spent less on sports in 2016 than any public school in Conference USA, one of the so-called Group of Five conferences.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...449433001/
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(07-07-2017 05:11 AM)GreenSteve Wrote:  How to do more — or as much — with less

Louisiana Tech athletics director Tommy McClelland said in an interview that athletics departments outside the Power Five conferences recognize they need to do what they can to increase revenue. Their universities — and, in some cases, state governments — are continuing to add to the amounts of money they give to athletics programs from their general funds or through student fees. But McClelland says it’s also a matter of priorities, and he insists that there is no sense of losing ground competitively even though his school spent less on sports in 2016 than any public school in Conference USA, one of the so-called Group of Five conferences.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...449433001/

Not the case in VA where athletics is funded primarily through fees and donations and now the state is capping fees. Our state govt takes the attitude that if UVA and VT have everything they want then all is good.
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(07-07-2017 06:21 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 05:11 AM)GreenSteve Wrote:  How to do more — or as much — with less

Louisiana Tech athletics director Tommy McClelland said in an interview that athletics departments outside the Power Five conferences recognize they need to do what they can to increase revenue. Their universities — and, in some cases, state governments — are continuing to add to the amounts of money they give to athletics programs from their general funds or through student fees. But McClelland says it’s also a matter of priorities, and he insists that there is no sense of losing ground competitively even though his school spent less on sports in 2016 than any public school in Conference USA, one of the so-called Group of Five conferences.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...449433001/

Not the case in VA where athletics is funded primarily through fees and donations and now the state is capping fees. Our state govt takes the attitude that if UVA and VT have everything they want then all is good.

In Louisiana, LSU doesn't need fees so the legislature doesn't allow other schools to collect them either. TMac doesn't have Tech where we need to be, but what he and our administration do to stay competitive on the field and in the arms race is nothing short of impressive.

I just wish Tech had this kind of foresight and drive 20 years ago when we were a WBB power and a giant slayer in FB. It's better late than never, but as a Tech fan while seeing the progress after decades of stagnancy is refreshing, knowing what might have been had we not been complacent while the iron was hot is infuriating.
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(07-07-2017 08:58 AM)SICemDAWGS! Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 06:21 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 05:11 AM)GreenSteve Wrote:  How to do more — or as much — with less

Louisiana Tech athletics director Tommy McClelland said in an interview that athletics departments outside the Power Five conferences recognize they need to do what they can to increase revenue. Their universities — and, in some cases, state governments — are continuing to add to the amounts of money they give to athletics programs from their general funds or through student fees. But McClelland says it’s also a matter of priorities, and he insists that there is no sense of losing ground competitively even though his school spent less on sports in 2016 than any public school in Conference USA, one of the so-called Group of Five conferences.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...449433001/

Not the case in VA where athletics is funded primarily through fees and donations and now the state is capping fees. Our state govt takes the attitude that if UVA and VT have everything they want then all is good.

In Louisiana, LSU doesn't need fees so the legislature doesn't allow other schools to collect them either. TMac doesn't have Tech where we need to be, but what he and our administration do to stay competitive on the field and in the arms race is nothing short of impressive.

I just wish Tech had this kind of foresight and drive 20 years ago when we were a WBB power and a giant slayer in FB. It's better late than never, but as a Tech fan while seeing the progress after decades of stagnancy is refreshing, knowing what might have been had we not been complacent while the iron was hot is infuriating.

Beg to differ but your info regarding student fees in Louisiana is incorrect. The legislature DOES ALLOW student athletic fees but the students must hold a referendum on and approve the matter before one can be imposed. There was a rule in place until just 3-4yrs ago that student athletic fees were not acceptable but that was changed and very little movement on the matter since that time.

I doubt, but am not sure, that a STUDENT ATHLETIC FEE proposal at La Tech would be approved at this time because the students voted just 3-4yrs ago to impose a STUDENT FACILITIES ENHANCEMENT FEE that will be charged to them over a 25yr period to cover cost of constructing their new end zone project.
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Can state bonds that are issued to certain schools be considered "income" for an athletic department ?
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(07-07-2017 09:58 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 08:58 AM)SICemDAWGS! Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 06:21 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 05:11 AM)GreenSteve Wrote:  How to do more — or as much — with less

Louisiana Tech athletics director Tommy McClelland said in an interview that athletics departments outside the Power Five conferences recognize they need to do what they can to increase revenue. Their universities — and, in some cases, state governments — are continuing to add to the amounts of money they give to athletics programs from their general funds or through student fees. But McClelland says it’s also a matter of priorities, and he insists that there is no sense of losing ground competitively even though his school spent less on sports in 2016 than any public school in Conference USA, one of the so-called Group of Five conferences.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...449433001/

Not the case in VA where athletics is funded primarily through fees and donations and now the state is capping fees. Our state govt takes the attitude that if UVA and VT have everything they want then all is good.

In Louisiana, LSU doesn't need fees so the legislature doesn't allow other schools to collect them either. TMac doesn't have Tech where we need to be, but what he and our administration do to stay competitive on the field and in the arms race is nothing short of impressive.

I just wish Tech had this kind of foresight and drive 20 years ago when we were a WBB power and a giant slayer in FB. It's better late than never, but as a Tech fan while seeing the progress after decades of stagnancy is refreshing, knowing what might have been had we not been complacent while the iron was hot is infuriating.

Beg to differ but your info regarding student fees in Louisiana is incorrect. The legislature DOES ALLOW student athletic fees but the students must hold a referendum on and approve the matter before one can be imposed. There was a rule in place until just 3-4yrs ago that student athletic fees were not acceptable but that was changed and very little movement on the matter since that time.

I doubt, but am not sure, that a STUDENT ATHLETIC FEE proposal at La Tech would be approved at this time because the students voted just 3-4yrs ago to impose a STUDENT FACILITIES ENHANCEMENT FEE that will be charged to them over a 25yr period to cover cost of constructing their new end zone project.

The rule change from 3 or 4 years ago (it was 2011 or 2012) that you are referencing is the use of student fees for athletic facilities only. These fees do not count against the general fund transfer for the operating budget now.

It is still the case that LA Tech or any state school could enact an athletics fee for funding of the athletic general operations, but the money would count dollar for dollar against the general fund transfer limit.

BTW, I believe your doubt is misplaced. The student facilities enhancement fee in 2012 passed with 84% in support. The "Change for Change" fee in 2007 passed with 70+%. Doesn't matter though, since it isn't going to happen.
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Louisiana Tech athletics director Tommy McClelland said in an interview that athletics departments outside the Power Five conferences recognize they need to do what they can to increase revenue. Their universities — and, in some cases, state governments — are continuing to add to the amounts of money they give to athletics programs from their general funds or through student fees. But McClelland says it’s also a matter of priorities, and he insists that there is no sense of losing ground competitively even though his school spent less on sports in 2016 than any public school in Conference USA, one of the so-called Group of Five conferences.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...449433001/
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Not the case in VA where athletics is funded primarily through fees and donations and now the state is capping fees. Our state govt takes the attitude that if UVA and VT have everything they want then all is good.
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In Louisiana, LSU doesn't need fees so the legislature doesn't allow other schools to collect them either. TMac doesn't have Tech where we need to be, but what he and our administration do to stay competitive on the field and in the arms race is nothing short of impressive.

I just wish Tech had this kind of foresight and drive 20 years ago when we were a WBB power and a giant slayer in FB. It's better late than never, but as a Tech fan while seeing the progress after decades of stagnancy is refreshing, knowing what might have been had we not been complacent while the iron was hot is infuriating.
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Beg to differ but your info regarding student fees in Louisiana is incorrect. The legislature DOES ALLOW student athletic fees but the students must hold a referendum on and approve the matter before one can be imposed. There was a rule in place until just 3-4yrs ago that student athletic fees were not acceptable but that was changed and very little movement on the matter since that time.

I doubt, but am not sure, that a STUDENT ATHLETIC FEE proposal at La Tech would be approved at this time because the students voted just 3-4yrs ago to impose a STUDENT FACILITIES ENHANCEMENT FEE that will be charged to them over a 25yr period to cover cost of constructing their new end zone project.
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The rule change from 3 or 4 years ago (it was 2011 or 2012) that you are referencing is the use of student fees for athletic facilities only. These fees do not count against the general fund transfer for the operating budget now.

It is still the case that LA Tech or any state school could enact an athletics fee for funding of the athletic general operations, but the money would count dollar for dollar against the general fund transfer limit.

BTW, I believe your doubt is misplaced. The student facilities enhancement fee in 2012 passed with 84% in support. The "Change for Change" fee in 2007 passed with 70+%. Doesn't matter though, since it isn't going to happen.
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No, the rule change 3-4yrs ago referenced STUDENT ATHLETIC FEES and had nothing to do with athletic facilities. Prior to then a school could NOT charge a student athletic fee but can at this time if approved by student vote.

The student FACILITY ENHANCEMENT FEE, in effect for next 21yrs or so, IS reflected in the current annual operating budget. The annual payment on the bonds of about $600,000 is taken from the facility enhancement fee kitty and listed as an expense on Techs statement of revenue expenses.
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this battle has been in the making for some time now....

it's a ******* joke what this has turned into....

there's quite a few that saw this coming over a decade ago....

I'm immune and desensitized at this point.....

mlb eradicated steroids.....it's hardly an enigma how those guys have regained traction....

people like me said fk off to cfb on the nat'l scale moons ago.....

y'all can have those eggos for breakfast.....

I'm out at this point with the exception of southern miss athletics (and that one's teetering).....I just don't care about the bs anymore....it's a waste o' time....
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(07-07-2017 06:21 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 05:11 AM)GreenSteve Wrote:  How to do more — or as much — with less

Louisiana Tech athletics director Tommy McClelland said in an interview that athletics departments outside the Power Five conferences recognize they need to do what they can to increase revenue. Their universities — and, in some cases, state governments — are continuing to add to the amounts of money they give to athletics programs from their general funds or through student fees. But McClelland says it’s also a matter of priorities, and he insists that there is no sense of losing ground competitively even though his school spent less on sports in 2016 than any public school in Conference USA, one of the so-called Group of Five conferences.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...449433001/

Not the case in VA where athletics is funded primarily through fees and donations and now the state is capping fees. Our state govt takes the attitude that if UVA and VT have everything they want then all is good.

UVA and VT supported themselves via alumni and community participation. They don't need the fees. Before you think about bringing up BCS and ESPN consider this. They were already WAY, WAY ahead before any of that happened.

Neither does anybody else. I applaud what VA is doing. I hope NC does the same even if it "hurts" ECU's athletic department. I'm beyond the point of giving a ****. Students already pay enough without any athletics fees.
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(07-07-2017 11:40 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 06:21 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 05:11 AM)GreenSteve Wrote:  How to do more — or as much — with less

Louisiana Tech athletics director Tommy McClelland said in an interview that athletics departments outside the Power Five conferences recognize they need to do what they can to increase revenue. Their universities — and, in some cases, state governments — are continuing to add to the amounts of money they give to athletics programs from their general funds or through student fees. But McClelland says it’s also a matter of priorities, and he insists that there is no sense of losing ground competitively even though his school spent less on sports in 2016 than any public school in Conference USA, one of the so-called Group of Five conferences.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...449433001/

Not the case in VA where athletics is funded primarily through fees and donations and now the state is capping fees. Our state govt takes the attitude that if UVA and VT have everything they want then all is good.

UVA and VT supported themselves via alumni and community participation. They don't need the fees. Before you think about bringing up BCS and ESPN consider this. They were already WAY, WAY ahead before any of that happened.

Neither does anybody else. I applaud what VA is doing. I hope NC does the same even if it "hurts" ECU's athletic department. I'm beyond the point of giving a ****. Students already pay enough without any athletics fees.

While I don't totally disagree with you on this because my son's tuition went up 30% during his 1st and 3rd year at Western and then increased his Sr year.

But there's another way to look at it....

winning sports attract more students to a school. So with more students that is new money coming in each year on their backs. If not for that increase enrollment the increase in cost to each student would probably still increase. So most schools look at the student fees as a investment that pays off by actually, well possibly, saving them money.

With out increase enrollment student will pay just as much if not more..the increase will just go some place else in the school.
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