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(07-06-2017 10:23 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 10:09 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'm a little shocked to see Arkansas St on here. Are they doing some fancy accounting down there or something? It's odd that C-USA would pass up on a program with such a good financial footing then again all of their expansion moves have been about chasing markets.

No fancy accounting. Some big one-time gifts to fund a new press box with suites, club seating and loge boxes.

For example the bank that had our naming rights deal was bought out. The new owner helped fund the renovation by paying the present value of the entire deal in a lump sum. The owner of the bank that bought the bank out, donated $5 million personally toward the renovation.

That plus other giving and first year payments on premium seating (7 year commitments) and new record season ticket sales boosted revenue nearly $15 million while school subsidy dropped by $1 million so budget goes up $14 million for the year.
Umm...two paragraphs equals fancy. But kudos for getting r done

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(07-06-2017 09:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The AAC has 4 of the top 5, with UConn comfortably at #1, but surprisingly, to me, west coast schools are well-represented, with 5 of the top 11, moreso than the overall revenue figures would indicate. Reason? western schools don't use the truly massive $20m+ subsidies that the AAC schools use. IMO, this reveals the hidden strength of west coast schools in deriving athletic revenues.

This does not surprise me at all. Other than San Diego State and San Jose State, none of the MWC has competition from pro sports.

Also only 2 MWC schools are on the West Coast, so the MWC doesn't have the West Coast cultural indifference to sports. Even Fresno has more in common with Arkansas than it does with the beach communities and big cities on the West coast.

It appears as if state governments in the mountainous region are more willing to subsidize. How state governments support sports

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(07-06-2017 08:18 PM)otown Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 06:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  One thing Im noticing is that some schools apparently count capital spending in their annual budgets and some do not. That potentially creates some massive problems when comparing budgets. Just as an example, Houston currently has about 80 million in capital athletics projects underway. Of that amount, about 50 million of it is funded by private donations. If these expenditures were included, Houston numbers would reflect a budget of over 100 million and it would probably sit at the top of your list of budgets minus student fees and transfers. Not only that, but the capital expenditures for UH since 2013 is well over a quarter of a billion--more than half of which is all private donations. So it would have affected almost every year since 2013.

I don't know how USA Today accounts for capital projects. I guess they don't include them either, otherwise Houston would be way above the $51 million in overall revenue they list them at. I guess in their way of reckoning, such things don't count.

As a USF fan, this list is really sobering to me. Schools like Hawaii and Arkansas State are generating a lot more athletic dollars than we are. That is pretty sad.

Does this have anything to do with the lack of an OCS?

It almost surely does. Without an OCS, USF has limited control over revenue streams. E.g., here in Baton Rouge, if LSU wants to boost stadium revenue, they tack on another 3,000 club seats. USF can't do that. We can't make changes to the Bucs stadium, and we don't get to keep all the revenue generated.

It's not a good long-term situation.
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(07-06-2017 08:16 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  After quickly glancing through this list, Boise, Memphis and New Mexico appear to be the only schools that generated more money from their fan bases than they received from the school in 15/16. Ticket Sales + Contributions > Student Fees + School Funds

Yes, I was going to do a "net athletic profit" calculation, but the numbers were so dismal I didn't have the heart.

Memphis has done a good job developing fan interest in, and thus revenue from, its football program the last 5-6 years. If the basketball program is revived, revenues could surge even more.
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That whole list is apples and oranges if you ask me...one school has this donation, one school has this capitol project, one school plays off campus, etc...as an Arkansas State fan I'm really happy to be on that list...I think our athletic department is doing things right...but in a few years who knows where we'll show up on the list. If your team isn't on the list or is further down than you think it should be...I wouldn't sweat it. What matters to me is butts in seats and winning.
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(07-07-2017 06:33 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 09:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The AAC has 4 of the top 5, with UConn comfortably at #1, but surprisingly, to me, west coast schools are well-represented, with 5 of the top 11, moreso than the overall revenue figures would indicate. Reason? western schools don't use the truly massive $20m+ subsidies that the AAC schools use. IMO, this reveals the hidden strength of west coast schools in deriving athletic revenues.

This does not surprise me at all. Other than San Diego State and San Jose State, none of the MWC has competition from pro sports.

Also only 2 MWC schools are on the West Coast, so the MWC doesn't have the West Coast cultural indifference to sports. Even Fresno has more in common with Arkansas than it does with the beach communities and big cities on the West coast.

It appears as if state governments in the mountainous region are more willing to subsidize. How state governments support sports

[Image: ncaa-government-support.jpg]

That's because many of those schools are the flagship school in their respective states (same with UConn in the east). Most of the AAC, MAC, SBC and CUSA schools are the 3rd-6th priority in their own state.
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(07-06-2017 10:23 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 10:09 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'm a little shocked to see Arkansas St on here. Are they doing some fancy accounting down there or something? It's odd that C-USA would pass up on a program with such a good financial footing then again all of their expansion moves have been about chasing markets.

No fancy accounting. Some big one-time gifts to fund a new press box with suites, club seating and loge boxes.

For example the bank that had our naming rights deal was bought out. The new owner helped fund the renovation by paying the present value of the entire deal in a lump sum. The owner of the bank that bought the bank out, donated $5 million personally toward the renovation.

That plus other giving and first year payments on premium seating (7 year commitments) and new record season ticket sales boosted revenue nearly $15 million while school subsidy dropped by $1 million so budget goes up $14 million for the year.

It is curious, for all schools, what goes into the USAToday column titled "Other". That is the only column that went way up for ASU and it went up by about 15.7 million dollars. Don't know if there is a standardized reporting method for all schools but the "other" column for ASU is explained well by you.
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(07-06-2017 07:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Exactly. If you are spending $10 million in the year to build something because you have an extra $10 million from whatever source it goes on the books as $10 million more in expense and $10 million more in revenue.

The point is some schools report combined operational expenses/revenues with capital project expenses/revenues.

And some do not.

Which leads to faulty comparisons.
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There is a "Methodology" link just below the list.

The numbers are what the school reported to the NCAA. The NCAA defines each category. I'm sure those definitions can be massaged but they should be fairly consistent school-to-school. Would a bank approve a loan based on these numbers...no way in Hades!

A couple of years ago Oregon had some big revenue numbers because of donations from Knight. Then Oklahoma State jumped up for a couple of years. Now A&M is spiking. You should see their numbers turn red when they start building/upgrading facilities.
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(07-07-2017 08:00 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 07:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Exactly. If you are spending $10 million in the year to build something because you have an extra $10 million from whatever source it goes on the books as $10 million more in expense and $10 million more in revenue.

The point is some schools report combined operational expenses/revenues with capital project expenses/revenues.

And some do not.

Which leads to faulty comparisons.

Starting in 2016 what all schools should be doing is reporting an amount received AND used during the year for athletics operations. So if you have a multi-year capital campaign then those amounts will likely never be included in your contributions. The "other" category includes a number of things including payments from third party (booster clubs) but there again it has to be used in the year.
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