USA Today published their latest school revenue numbers for 2015-2016.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Some observations:

- Six out of the top ten non-P5 schools are from the AAC.

- Uconn is still on top by a sizeable margin, with UCF/Cincy then Houston/Memphis closely bunched behind them.

- The % revenue allocated back to the athletic department is where you really see the advantage of P-5 television contracts.

- I don't know much about James Madison, but it's a little surprising to me that they are just below Memphis and just above USF.

(07-06-2017 04:32 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  USA Today published their latest school revenue numbers for 2015-2016.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Some observations:

- Six out of the top ten non-P5 schools are from the AAC.

- Uconn is still on top by a sizeable margin, with UCF/Cincy then Houston/Memphis closely bunched behind them.

- I don't know much about James Madison, but it's a little surprising to me that they are just below Memphis and just above USF.

James Madison is a good size school and has a beautiful campus.

I don't trust athletic budget numbers at all. Talk about Enron accounting methods

(07-06-2017 04:34 PM)chess Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:32 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  USA Today published their latest school revenue numbers for 2015-2016.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Some observations:

- Six out of the top ten non-P5 schools are from the AAC.

- Uconn is still on top by a sizeable margin, with UCF/Cincy then Houston/Memphis closely bunched behind them.

- I don't know much about James Madison, but it's a little surprising to me that they are just below Memphis and just above USF.

James Madison is a good size school and has a beautiful campus.

James Madison has an 80%+ subsidy - wow! Subsidies are usually provided from student activity fees or some other school revenue diversion. In the AAC, UConn also has a very high subsidy in addition to the oBE revenues, along with UCF, Cincy & UH all 40%+, ECU & USF too. Such deficit spending can only be sustained for relatively short periods. GA St is a good example, the state legislature stepped in to limit what GA ST could recoup from student fees, so their bubble is about to pop unless they find some sugar daddies.

BTW, saw Army in the list but not Navy or Air Force???

(07-06-2017 04:58 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:34 PM)chess Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:32 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  USA Today published their latest school revenue numbers for 2015-2016.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Some observations:

- Six out of the top ten non-P5 schools are from the AAC.

- Uconn is still on top by a sizeable margin, with UCF/Cincy then Houston/Memphis closely bunched behind them.

- I don't know much about James Madison, but it's a little surprising to me that they are just below Memphis and just above USF.

James Madison is a good size school and has a beautiful campus.

James Madison has an 80%+ subsidy - wow! Subsidies are usually provided from student activity fees or some other school revenue diversion. In the AAC, UConn also has a very high subsidy in addition to the oBE revenues, along with UCF, Cincy & UH all 40%+, ECU & USF too. Such deficit spending can only be sustained for relatively short periods. GA St is a good example, the state legislature stepped in to limit what GA ST could recoup from student fees, so their bubble is about to pop unless they find some sugar daddies.

BTW, saw Army in the list but not Navy or Air Force???

As of the one reported before this one, we had the lowest percentage subsidized athletic department of any state school outside of the P5 at ~25%. Tulane was subsidized more than we were. I think only Tulsa and SMU were subsidized less than us in the AAC.

(07-06-2017 05:49 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:58 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:34 PM)chess Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:32 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  USA Today published their latest school revenue numbers for 2015-2016.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Some observations:

- Six out of the top ten non-P5 schools are from the AAC.

- Uconn is still on top by a sizeable margin, with UCF/Cincy then Houston/Memphis closely bunched behind them.

- I don't know much about James Madison, but it's a little surprising to me that they are just below Memphis and just above USF.

James Madison is a good size school and has a beautiful campus.

James Madison has an 80%+ subsidy - wow! Subsidies are usually provided from student activity fees or some other school revenue diversion. In the AAC, UConn also has a very high subsidy in addition to the oBE revenues, along with UCF, Cincy & UH all 40%+, ECU & USF too. Such deficit spending can only be sustained for relatively short periods. GA St is a good example, the state legislature stepped in to limit what GA ST could recoup from student fees, so their bubble is about to pop unless they find some sugar daddies.

BTW, saw Army in the list but not Navy or Air Force???

As of the one reported before this one, we had the lowest percentage subsidized athletic department of any state school outside of the P5 at ~25%. Tulane was subsidized more than we were. I think only Tulsa and SMU were subsidized less than us in the AAC.

You also sponsor a conference low 14 sports (also probably making Temple one of the lowest in all FBS schools). You actually probably have one of the highest ratios when it comes to comparing subsidy to number of sports in the conference.

(07-06-2017 04:58 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:34 PM)chess Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:32 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  USA Today published their latest school revenue numbers for 2015-2016.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Some observations:

- Six out of the top ten non-P5 schools are from the AAC.

- Uconn is still on top by a sizeable margin, with UCF/Cincy then Houston/Memphis closely bunched behind them.

- I don't know much about James Madison, but it's a little surprising to me that they are just below Memphis and just above USF.

James Madison is a good size school and has a beautiful campus.

James Madison has an 80%+ subsidy - wow! Subsidies are usually provided from student activity fees or some other school revenue diversion. In the AAC, UConn also has a very high subsidy in addition to the oBE revenues, along with UCF, Cincy & UH all 40%+, ECU & USF too. Such deficit spending can only be sustained for relatively short periods. GA St is a good example, the state legislature stepped in to limit what GA ST could recoup from student fees, so their bubble is about to pop unless they find some sugar daddies.

BTW, saw Army in the list but not Navy or Air Force???

We were in the process of rducing subsidy when to he BOR stepped in. We had advance warning. Ours should be in the 55% range by next year.

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Wichita State:

Contributions - $10,646,052 #1 out of the 7 AAC schools listed
Student Fees - $3,082,600 #2 lowest out of " " " "
Ticket Sales - $4,838,293 (no football) ahead of UCF, SF, and basically tied w/ UH


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Student fees would be better compared per capita.

(07-06-2017 06:06 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:49 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:58 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:34 PM)chess Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:32 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  USA Today published their latest school revenue numbers for 2015-2016.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Some observations:

- Six out of the top ten non-P5 schools are from the AAC.

- Uconn is still on top by a sizeable margin, with UCF/Cincy then Houston/Memphis closely bunched behind them.

- I don't know much about James Madison, but it's a little surprising to me that they are just below Memphis and just above USF.

James Madison is a good size school and has a beautiful campus.

James Madison has an 80%+ subsidy - wow! Subsidies are usually provided from student activity fees or some other school revenue diversion. In the AAC, UConn also has a very high subsidy in addition to the oBE revenues, along with UCF, Cincy & UH all 40%+, ECU & USF too. Such deficit spending can only be sustained for relatively short periods. GA St is a good example, the state legislature stepped in to limit what GA ST could recoup from student fees, so their bubble is about to pop unless they find some sugar daddies.

BTW, saw Army in the list but not Navy or Air Force???

As of the one reported before this one, we had the lowest percentage subsidized athletic department of any state school outside of the P5 at ~25%. Tulane was subsidized more than we were. I think only Tulsa and SMU were subsidized less than us in the AAC.

You also sponsor a conference low 14 sports (also probably making Temple one of the lowest in all FBS schools). You actually probably have one of the highest ratios when it comes to comparing subsidy to number of sports in the conference.

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(07-06-2017 04:32 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  USA Today published their latest school revenue numbers for 2015-2016.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Some observations:

- Six out of the top ten non-P5 schools are from the AAC.

- Uconn is still on top by a sizeable margin, with UCF/Cincy then Houston/Memphis closely bunched behind them.

- The % revenue allocated back to the athletic department is where you really see the advantage of P-5 television contracts.

- I don't know much about James Madison, but it's a little surprising to me that they are just below Memphis and just above USF.

6 of 10 should be from the AAC since we are a P6. Is one of the other BYU? they don't count either. They get P6 status too.

(07-06-2017 04:37 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  I don't trust athletic budget numbers at all. Talk about Enron accounting methods

^^^^Truth.

Although, if you figure that all of them are using the same or similar fake-accounting-methods, then you can at least compare one fake-annual-report to another one. In other words, Old Dominion really does have more revenue than Charlotte. Texas A&M really does have more revenue than Miss. State, and so on.

(07-06-2017 10:09 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:32 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  USA Today published their latest school revenue numbers for 2015-2016.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Some observations:

- Six out of the top ten non-P5 schools are from the AAC.

- Uconn is still on top by a sizeable margin, with UCF/Cincy then Houston/Memphis closely bunched behind them.

- The % revenue allocated back to the athletic department is where you really see the advantage of P-5 television contracts.

- I don't know much about James Madison, but it's a little surprising to me that they are just below Memphis and just above USF.

6 of 10 should be from the AAC since we are a P6. Is one of the other BYU? they don't count either. They get P6 status too.

It's nice to know that you are the one parceling out "Power" status to conferences instead of, you know, objective reality.

(07-06-2017 06:41 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Wichita State:

Contributions - $10,646,052 #1 out of the 7 AAC schools listed
Student Fees - $3,082,600 #2 lowest out of " " " "
Ticket Sales - $4,838,293 (no football) ahead of UCF, SF, and basically tied w/ UH


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That no football thing is a blessing for the student fee part of the equation. You basically don't have to worry about 80 scholarships (160 technically since you don't have to worry about balancing according to Title IX). Those 160 scholarships amount to nearly $2M/year more expenses, and that's without factoring in OOS surcharges, housing costs, meal plans, book stipends, and all of the operational overhead.

You guys have great attendance for basketball and baseball from what I've seen, and since Wichita has nothing else to do, you can charge and arm and a leg for tickets. Definitely a feather in the cap though.

Does make you wonder about contributions...with Tillman Fertita literally building a new arena for Houston and there being a $14M individual gift for our own arena renovations, I wonder how those numbers are actually calculated. As stated above, these numbers are incorrect, though. According to our VP and Finance, our AD Operational Budget is roughly $10M less than what USAT is reporting.

(07-07-2017 08:27 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 06:41 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Wichita State:

Contributions - $10,646,052 #1 out of the 7 AAC schools listed
Student Fees - $3,082,600 #2 lowest out of " " " "
Ticket Sales - $4,838,293 (no football) ahead of UCF, SF, and basically tied w/ UH


T


...

That no football thing is a blessing for the student fee part of the equation. You basically don't have to worry about 80 scholarships (160 technically since you don't have to worry about balancing according to Title IX). Those 160 scholarships amount to nearly $2M/year more expenses, and that's without factoring in OOS surcharges, housing costs, meal plans, book stipends, and all of the operational overhead.

You guys have great attendance for basketball and baseball from what I've seen, and since Wichita has nothing else to do, you can charge and arm and a leg for tickets. Definitely a feather in the cap though.

Dividing our fees by enrollment puts us more in line with the rest of the conference at 205.51 per student.

But our contributions and ticket revenue are Powa6 and will go up quite a bit again due to the conference change. Wichita supports the Shockers and our town has a lot more cash than people realize. Cost of living in Wichita is tiny. On that note, Gregg Marshall's adjusted compensation is about a billion/yr in Wichita.


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I'd like to see updated annual fund info to see if AAC membership has had an effect on donations. It would be interesting to get it for all FBS, not just our conference.

I'm more interested in that than TV revenue that I have zero control over.




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(07-06-2017 08:38 PM)franzeal Wrote:  Student fees would be better compared per capita.

I actually agree with this. ECU has roughly half or less of some of the other schools here. When you have massive student bodies like UCF it's a lot easier to sustain via student fees because you can spread it out so much.

(07-06-2017 06:06 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:49 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:58 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:34 PM)chess Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:32 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  USA Today published their latest school revenue numbers for 2015-2016.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Some observations:

- Six out of the top ten non-P5 schools are from the AAC.

- Uconn is still on top by a sizeable margin, with UCF/Cincy then Houston/Memphis closely bunched behind them.

- I don't know much about James Madison, but it's a little surprising to me that they are just below Memphis and just above USF.

James Madison is a good size school and has a beautiful campus.

James Madison has an 80%+ subsidy - wow! Subsidies are usually provided from student activity fees or some other school revenue diversion. In the AAC, UConn also has a very high subsidy in addition to the oBE revenues, along with UCF, Cincy & UH all 40%+, ECU & USF too. Such deficit spending can only be sustained for relatively short periods. GA St is a good example, the state legislature stepped in to limit what GA ST could recoup from student fees, so their bubble is about to pop unless they find some sugar daddies.

BTW, saw Army in the list but not Navy or Air Force???

As of the one reported before this one, we had the lowest percentage subsidized athletic department of any state school outside of the P5 at ~25%. Tulane was subsidized more than we were. I think only Tulsa and SMU were subsidized less than us in the AAC.

You also sponsor a conference low 14 sports (also probably making Temple one of the lowest in all FBS schools). You actually probably have one of the highest ratios when it comes to comparing subsidy to number of sports in the conference.

Temple sponsors 18 men's and women's teams. UConn sponsors 22. The main difference is Temple has focused on sports that have low expenses. UConn has baseball, Ice Hockey, and full track and field. All of these have some decent expenses. I would not be shocked if UConn cuts some sports in the next couple of years. "people in glass houses..."

(07-07-2017 08:50 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 08:38 PM)franzeal Wrote:  Student fees would be better compared per capita.

I actually agree with this. ECU has roughly half or less of some of the other schools here. When you have massive student bodies like UCF it's a lot easier to sustain via student fees because you can spread it out so much.

Here you go...Temple isn't listed despite them being public, which seems odd.

UConn:
Enrollment = 31,624
Subsidy per capita = $1,115.38

Memphis:
Enrollment = 21,480
Subsidy per capita =$854.98

ECU:
Enrollment = 27,511
Subsidy per capita =$686.93

Houston:
Enrollment = 42,704
Subsidy per capita = $589.01

Cincinnati:
Enrollment = 44,338
Subsidy per capita = $561.48

Wichita:
Enrollment = 14,495
Subsidy per capita = $504.25

USF:
Enrollment = 48,353
Subsidy per capita = $483.97

UCF:
Enrollment = 60,810
Subsidy per capita = $441.37

Conference AVG Per Capita Subsidy = $653.67/Student

(07-07-2017 09:31 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 08:50 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 08:38 PM)franzeal Wrote:  Student fees would be better compared per capita.

I actually agree with this. ECU has roughly half or less of some of the other schools here. When you have massive student bodies like UCF it's a lot easier to sustain via student fees because you can spread it out so much.

Here you go...Temple isn't listed despite them being public, which seems odd.

UConn:
Enrollment = 31,624
Subsidy per capita = $1,115.38

Memphis:
Enrollment = 21,480
Subsidy per capita =$854.98

ECU:
Enrollment = 27,511
Subsidy per capita =$686.93

Houston:
Enrollment = 42,704
Subsidy per capita = $589.01

Cincinnati:
Enrollment = 44,338
Subsidy per capita = $561.48

Wichita:
Enrollment = 14,495
Subsidy per capita = $504.25

USF:
Enrollment = 48,353
Subsidy per capita = $483.97

UCF:
Enrollment = 60,810
Subsidy per capita = $441.37

Conference AVG Per Capita Subsidy = $653.67/Student

Temple, Pitt, and Penn State are all state related universities rather than simply state universities, which gives us the ability to not publish certain information, at least immediately.