(07-12-2017 10:30 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 11:06 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 09:56 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 07:09 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  2009
Contributions to JMU: $1,474,000
Contributions to ODU: $1,655,000

2016
Contributions to JMU: $2,583,000
Contributions to ODU: $5,851,000


2009
Rights/Licensing to JMU : $2,300,000
Rights/Licensing to ODU: $774,000

2016
Rights/Licensing to JMU : $3,298,000
Rights/Licensing to ODU: $5,155,000

Folks quick to jump all over hazed but nothing but crickets for this post.

Frequently the case on sensitive issues. Follows the intelligence world handbook. Admit nothing, Deny everything, make counter accusations.

If that data is correct, that says alot...

Contributions at ODU gone up about over 200% and rights gone up over 600% in 7 years?

If that data is correct.....

There is some selective disclosure in Dukeman's numbers. He choose to compare pre-football numbers with the last year before the TV bubble burst. Rights will likely drop to the low 4s next year. If you look at contributions, ODU brought in $4,442,993 in 2010 (the year football was announced). It is impressive how the ODU fanbase responded to having football and the numbers show that they are sustaining the increase in contributions, but it is dubious to compare no football to FBS football considering the implied FCS vs FBS debate.

(07-12-2017 10:47 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 10:35 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 10:15 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 09:33 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 12:50 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  You guys know there's a link in the OP with the answers to all the questions you're asking right? And if you want more detail the full audited financials for all of VAs athletic depts are available online.

Here's the latest but you can find past years

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/OldD...AA2016.pdf

http://www.jmu.edu/financeoffice/fin-sta...aa2016.pdf

Good stuff Mturn. interesting information here.

couple of back of napkin items

ODU football vs JMU football

student aid 3.2m vs. 2.0 m
Coaching 2.1 vs. 1.5
Recruiting 300 k vs. 93k feels like we should be spending more here
Team travel 1.0 m vs. 435k
Game exp 722k vs. 1.3m it costs a lot to run Bridgeforth
Marketing 71k vs. 386 surprised we do more here
Dir. OH admin 650 vs. 1.7m whoa, who knows what is going on here? I suspect stadium related

for the whole athletic department

ODU travel $3.7 million vs. JMU $2.2 million
Odu scholies $8.9 vs. JMU 8.0 - either odu has less sports or their programs arent fully funded


Biggest takeaway, we spend a lot to run the stadium. much more than ODU , they derive $3.1 m in ticket revenue, we get 2.3

at a minimum, moving FBS would cost us $3.0 million more a year. Scholies, travel, coaches salaries,

increases in revenue, maybe another $500k in ticket revenue, $500k in conference distributions, but that maybe going down.

That means would have have to raise at least $2.0 more a year from donors. I suspect thats low. Probably looking more like $2.5 - 4.

Thats the price tag. That means everyone doubles their Duke club contribution. All these schools need to find a way to cut travel and increase ticket revenue. Regional conference, regional rivalries, less travel, more tickets sold.

While I appreciate you trying to gauge the cost of going FBS there is no way your spitball extrapolations are accurate or comprehensive. Not sure if there's truly that much waste in our budget, or our reporting methods make us appear to be overly extravagant but something's out of whack. Our big fish has way too much bling for such a little pond.

I for one would rather spend more on football and/or basketball at the cost of all other sports but seeing as some inside the bubble (including our admin) continue to prefer to have the best funded, regional tiddlywinks team it isn't going to happen. So many complain about costs but FB and BB are the only sports with real revenue generating potential, in addition to pulling so many more donors into the fold.

while my back of the napkin numbers may be off, there is no denying FBS at the G5 level does not pay for itself. It will require significant increases in donor contributions. Bourne outlined this in one of his Bourne Dialogues. $2-4 million more a year is not insignificant. Everybody essentially doubles their gift.

As for tiddlywinks, we have already cut sports. no way we are cutting any others with title ix. I believe ODU is non compliant with title ix, so lets see how that plays. with title ix, woman's sports are untouchable, so where are you cutting? soccer, baseball? Golf and Tennis? No money there. Not sure, there are huge numbers to be had on the mens side.

I'm not talking about cutting sports/scholarships, we will in fact have to increase them for an FBS move. I'm talking about the other expenses. Don't get me wrong, seeing the ladies do so well in softball or the men in golf are great... but those are nice to haves for me. The must haves are FB and MBB. I'm fine with paying more and spending more across the board if FB and MBB are at a national level but they're not.

A few things:

It's been determined that JMU will not have to increase the number of sports offered. We are well within Title IX even with FBS.

ODU will almost always have higher travel costs in almost all conferences than JMU. This is a product of being a coastal school. About the only G5 schools they are closer than JMU is ECU, CCU, and marginally closer to GS . I mention G5 only because all G5 games, whether OOC or in conference, will be home-and-home deals. ODU must fly a lot.

Within CUSA East, they most likely fly to WKU, MTSU, of course FAU, and FIU. Even Marshall is a long bus ride (over 7 hours) in which they probably bus. JMU may opt to fly to MTSU and WKU as they are 7 and 8 hour bus rides, but my guess is that if we were to be in CUSA EAST, we'd probably only fly to the two FL universities. Of course this is only for football and you only play these teams, as an away game, every other year. With certainty, ODU has four CUSA East games they must fly. With certainty, JMU would have two. Again this is over a two year period.

Then when you apply these thoughts to all the other sports, ODU's travel costs over their entire athletic department, they should be significantly greater than JMU's. Should we be in CUSA East, I really do not see where our travel costs would be increased by very much over our current CAA costs. Flying twice per season, once down to FL and once to play a CUSA West game. All of our OOC games should be bus trips. We may have to budget for three flights for our football team per season, but just plugging the Dukes into this season's ODU schedule, instead of the Monarchs, I see three definite flights, UMass, N. Texas, and FIU. ODU will have those three plus a flight to Middle TN.

Wait.... you mean Dukeman2 is FAKE NEWS?!