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(07-07-2017 10:23 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  ...........We are a 10 ton gorilla in FCS beating up all the midgets.

SHSU being the shortest of them all
07-07-2017 11:34 AM
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SHSU gets primordial status.
07-07-2017 12:07 PM
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(07-07-2017 08:11 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 07:19 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  The focus of this article on social media has been more positive about JMU's relative revenues- 59th overall, highest in FCS and one of the highest outside P5- really more in line with AAC levels than other P5/mid major conferences.

Yeah but no one is pointing out the elephant in the room. The high "revenue" is really involuntary student fees, which we lead all D1 athletic programs by the metric. Not something to really be proud of, even if our overall cost of attendance for a student is among the lowest.

Uhhhh let's slow down and put our thinking caps on everyone. We might be highest on a percentage of total revenue basis but that's not the only way to look at these numbers. There's lots of other schools, in Virginia alone, that charge more per student in athletic fees. If I'm a parent or an 18 year old who is concerned with how much of my tuition is going to athletics, I care much more about the latter.

From a PilotOnline article 2 years ago discussing the legislation:
"...VMI ($1,702) and William and Mary ($1,665) charge more in student athletic fees per year than NSU ($1,545), ODU ($1,429) and JMU ($1,331). Virginia Tech ($282) charges the least."

I can't believe no one has said this yet... But to me it points to a much different issue, a lack of significant contributions to the school from alumni. Our alumni base is small and young compared to a lot of our "peers". It's going to take time.
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07-07-2017 02:01 PM
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That is true, these usa today budget pages aren't showing the per student payment per year, which it definitely should to really paint the picture better.

Most people whining about our fees are assuming we're charging 80% fees to 5-10k students, assuming we're some small school. They don't realize how big JMU has become. 21k students.
07-07-2017 02:08 PM
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JMU is leaving a lot of revenue on the table too. If Rowe can get the MBB humming in conjunction with a new arena, then that weak link will become a strength. And, I think coming off the national title season, we are seeing an increase in tickets sold (and contributions in parallel) for football. If - no, make that WHEN - the Dukes successfully defend our crown with another one, football could and should be raking in even more money.

And, from more fannies through gates, there are less tangible (at least reported) revenue streams regarding apparel, concessions, etc.
07-07-2017 02:39 PM
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(07-07-2017 09:32 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 09:10 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 06:44 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  So the school is in line with the legislations limits? Darn it. What can we find to pick on now? Wait, I hate the color purple. I think Mr. Alger chose the current shade of it to make all of our teams look feminine. I mean when most of your sports are female anyway, he must have been thinking that. Fire the guy!

How dare you? I always knew you were secretly a Tick fan! 04-chairshot03-nutkick05-stirthepot

Also, he only blamed Alger. He must blame Bourne with Alger. You can't just blame one without the other. Major JMU Fanhood and Dukes Domain board violation apparently.

Come on, Nation. Step up your JMU Fanhood game!! Now, start being more miserable and a cry baby. Let's see some real tears please. I blame Alger and Bourne for your ineptness when it comes to being a sad sack. (see how I worked them both in?...leading by example)

:>)

We see what you did there, you snuck in the L word, leadership (no, not lie but that is what you thought) in a sentence that includes Alger and Bourne, no way man!
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(07-07-2017 10:23 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 07:19 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  The focus of this article on social media has been more positive about JMU's relative revenues- 59th overall, highest in FCS and one of the highest outside P5- really more in line with AAC levels than other P5/mid major conferences.

Yep - our spending/revenue numbers "cluster" with the AAC schools. We massively outspend most of the CAA and also schools like NDSU/SDSU. Only UD is in the same ballpark spending wise, and even there it's not that close.

In terms of Virginia schools, it's UVA, VT, JMU, ODU. Everyone else has a much smaller athletic budget.

To me, these budget numbers are an indicator of who our "athletic peers" should be. We are a 10 ton gorilla in FCS beating up all the midgets.

You can't compare total budgets to compare us to others in FCS football. You need to compare the money spent on football only and I believe those numbers would be comparable to others at the high end of FCS. The difference for us is the amount of money spent on every other sport, which no one on our level supports near the same level.
07-07-2017 05:24 PM
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(07-07-2017 08:11 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 07:19 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  The focus of this article on social media has been more positive about JMU's relative revenues- 59th overall, highest in FCS and one of the highest outside P5- really more in line with AAC levels than other P5/mid major conferences.

Yeah but no one is pointing out the elephant in the room. The high "revenue" is really involuntary student fees, which we lead all D1 athletic programs by the metric. Not something to really be proud of, even if our overall cost of attendance for a student is among the lowest.

As a parent who paid for tuition and living expenses, I did not care how it was divided up. I only cared about what it cost.

The reason why JMU tuition is low and fees are high is JMU has more flexibility with where it spends fees. Carrier knew this loophole in the law and used it to his advantage. He saw where money needed to be spent and the student fees allowed him to allocate funds there. It took the state a long time to figure it out and Mr. Cox closed the loophole.

You guys spend way too much energy on student fees. How do you think the new rec center was built? How about intramural fields? I imagine some of the new D Hall is being funded with student fees. Let's not pretend it is all going to athletics.
07-07-2017 05:35 PM
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(07-07-2017 05:35 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 08:11 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 07:19 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  The focus of this article on social media has been more positive about JMU's relative revenues- 59th overall, highest in FCS and one of the highest outside P5- really more in line with AAC levels than other P5/mid major conferences.

Yeah but no one is pointing out the elephant in the room. The high "revenue" is really involuntary student fees, which we lead all D1 athletic programs by the metric. Not something to really be proud of, even if our overall cost of attendance for a student is among the lowest.

As a parent who paid for tuition and living expenses, I did not care how it was divided up. I only cared about what it cost.

The reason why JMU tuition is low and fees are high is JMU has more flexibility with where it spends fees. Carrier knew this loophole in the law and used it to his advantage. He saw where money needed to be spent and the student fees allowed him to allocate funds there. It took the state a long time to figure it out and Mr. Cox closed the loophole.

You guys spend way too much energy on student fees. How do you think the new rec center was built? How about intramural fields? I imagine some of the new D Hall is being funded with student fees. Let's not pretend it is all going to athletics.

Interesting information

I found this on the JMU website.

Athletic fee $1,699
Auxiliary services fee $735
Facilities/Building fee $949
Health Service fee $266
Student Activity $755
Transportation fee $90
Total $4,494
07-08-2017 01:12 PM
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Thanks BP. Your research supports what I said.

Lin Rose told me years ago that the state made spending difficult due to budgeting restrictions. If he had excess funds in the rec center budget he could not reallocate those monies to the library's budget. This meant he would have to close the library earlier than the rec center due to funding. This was just an example but his point was that the school had the money but the state makes schools allocate to each bucket and the schools can't take from one to the other. Carrier being the guy who was always looking to get around road blocks started raising fees instead of tuition because fees are not restricted the way tuition is.

Years ago VT, UVA and W & W all threatened to go private due to the states restrictive policies. They all had the private funding to do so as they were all taking 15% or less of their funding from the state. The state grouped them together in a separate "category of schools" and allowed them to operate more independently to keep these schools as state schools.

I hope this information will stop the constant whining about fees at JMU. The money is used to run the operations of the university. It also allows JMU more autonomy as to where it is allocated.
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