(07-09-2017 04:55 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 04:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Is there another RV park within the city limits? Is the agricenter the closest RV park to Memphis? Those are serious questions as I honestly don't know.

There's several, as i recall

1. off Canada road, it's a mobile home/KOA combo sight
2. Agricenter
3. RV park @ Graceland
4. Tom Sawyer's in W.Mphs
5. Horn Lake has one called Jellystone, or something like that.

If I owned an RV, not sure I'd stay in any of those, other than Agricenter.

None in Memphis proper that I know of. Have stayed at Tom Sawyer, one at Arkabutla Lake & have been all over the Shelby Farms area. Each of these has it's attractions & all stay pretty full seasonally. RVers in general are more into the great outdoors but there are cities during my travels that I would love to investigate if there were an in-city option. The Fairgrounds would uniquely offer that option for an RV traveler coming thru Memphis to spend a few days sampling the history & attractions of Memphis - and that as a secondary market to LB events. A professionally run RV park at the Fairgrounds offering the usual amenities & providing reasonable security would likely do very well throughout the year.

(07-09-2017 04:55 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 04:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Is there another RV park within the city limits? Is the agricenter the closest RV park to Memphis? Those are serious questions as I honestly don't know.

There's several, as i recall

1. off Canada road, it's a mobile home/KOA combo sight
2. Agricenter
3. RV park @ Graceland
4. Tom Sawyer's in W.Mphs
5. Horn Lake has one called Jellystone, or something like that.

If I owned an RV, not sure I'd stay in any of those, other than Agricenter.

Tom Sawyer would be as safe and I have stayed there in an RV but it is in the middle of nowhere (and you better be inside before dark) the one on Canada Road and Horn Lake are further away.

Only one in the city is Graceland and I am sure it is priced accordingly...So it would seem the Agricenter has the best location as far as proximity to the city...MAYBE that is a big draw to that park above and beyond just SAFETY as stated before.

(07-09-2017 08:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 04:55 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 04:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Is there another RV park within the city limits? Is the agricenter the closest RV park to Memphis? Those are serious questions as I honestly don't know.

There's several, as i recall

1. off Canada road, it's a mobile home/KOA combo sight
2. Agricenter
3. RV park @ Graceland
4. Tom Sawyer's in W.Mphs
5. Horn Lake has one called Jellystone, or something like that.

If I owned an RV, not sure I'd stay in any of those, other than Agricenter.

Tom Sawyer would be as safe and I have stayed there in an RV but it is in the middle of nowhere (and you better be inside before dark) the one on Canada Road and Horn Lake are further away.

Only one in the city is Graceland and I am sure it is priced accordingly...So it would seem the Agricenter has the best location as far as proximity to the city...MAYBE that is a big draw to that park above and beyond just SAFETY as stated before.

Still yucking it up about the fictional RV park. You seem to be stuck on this point. Most people that RV have families or are a little older. Generalizing of course. The Agricenter isn't by many attractions, and those I've known that use it say safety is an important part. Most would prefer not to take the family truckster to East St Louis...

I have no idea if an RV park would work at the fairgrounds. It's honestly one of the better, cost effective ideas I've heard. Like others here, I'd like to see a good use for the area. To be successful, they would need some beefed up security, that's all I'm saying.

I'm out on this subject. NTR...

Whatever happened to the Elvis Wax Museum guy? I figured he would be all over this.

(07-07-2017 03:34 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 03:12 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 03:05 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 02:59 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 02:40 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  They shouldn't be in Retail. But Class A office buildings? Yes.

I already showed you WSU innovation campus. [2]

Let's look at my other alma mater. Georgia Tech. [1] [3]

There's a new movement in moving Corporate Research Centers back into cites. Memphis needs these type of high skilled hi-tech jobs, and Midtown is the perfect place for this type of development. We only need a world class metropolitan research university to anchor it. That's the University of Memphis.

[1] - http://www.gatech.edu/innovation-ecosystem/tech-square
[2] - http://wsuinnovationcampus.org/
[2] - https://hbr.org/2016/03/why-todays-corpo...-in-cities

Don't disagree with the need, but would be better located adjacent to the university or on the south campus, not on the fairgrounds where LB activities would conflict. Can you imagine attempting to commute to or from the fairgrounds with a LB function in progress or receive clients or customers?

Georgia Tech and WSU have on campus stadiums.

The FedEx Institute of Technology and Crews Center for Entrepreneurship are already smaller versions of this on the UofM campus. Sure; it would be great to NEED a massive space like the fairgrounds for something of this nature, but the UofM is nowhere near that level of need (or funding to take on a project of that nature) now.

The FIT is a gem in Memphis. They do a lot for the technology community here.

Kind-of-sort-of-related, from this morning's MBJ....however, this kind of messes with the master plan that was going to place a "main entrance" to give a sense of place to the UofM on Highland:

https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news...j=78524861

(07-10-2017 08:23 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 03:34 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 03:12 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 03:05 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 02:59 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Don't disagree with the need, but would be better located adjacent to the university or on the south campus, not on the fairgrounds where LB activities would conflict. Can you imagine attempting to commute to or from the fairgrounds with a LB function in progress or receive clients or customers?

Georgia Tech and WSU have on campus stadiums.

The FedEx Institute of Technology and Crews Center for Entrepreneurship are already smaller versions of this on the UofM campus. Sure; it would be great to NEED a massive space like the fairgrounds for something of this nature, but the UofM is nowhere near that level of need (or funding to take on a project of that nature) now.

The FIT is a gem in Memphis. They do a lot for the technology community here.

Kind-of-sort-of-related, from this morning's MBJ....however, this kind of messes with the master plan that was going to place a "main entrance" to give a sense of place to the UofM on Highland:

https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news...j=78524861

The UofM has been very successful with public private partnerships in the past few years. From my conversations with people at the FIT, they were interested in this type of development but had concerns over space. That was back in May, so I guess they changed their minds. The main campus is landlocked and they own pretty much all they can at this point.

The main goal I believe is to get corporations technology groups co-located near the FIT. So employers can build relationships with the UofM's best engineering and computer science students.

I think this will be very successful right now. The vacancy rate for East Memphis office space is super low right now. Class A is completely nonexistent. Companies want to be closer to Midtown, but still want to be convent to Germantown and Bartlett. In addition there's other development in the area, Brad Martin is building new office space over by the Dixon as well. [1]


[1] - https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news...mphis.html

I would love if they expand the LB to 80,000 seats. That would pretty much guarantee the construction of an OCS.

(07-08-2017 06:11 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:51 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  What happened to the brewery proposal for the MSC?

And related to FB at the LB - and for city of Memphis benefit, Tiger Lane & Fairgrounds security year round, why not use the SW few acres of the Fairgrounds for a private RV park? It would always be full during the game weekends, & likely attract substantial interest by tourists year round who come thru Memphis and need a base from which to visit Memphis attractions. More importantly, the revenues could provide security for the entire Fairgrounds proper. Just saw a survey that says RVers now represent 10% of the US population & growing faster than any other recreation segment.

yeah, the Agricenter RV park is always full it seems...that's a solid idea.

put the spots around the Liberty Land green space you you would have a nice open green field right outside your RV.

You'd definitely need to provide big time security there, no way most people would feel safe there. It's ok for games, but it isn't the best are in town for longer stays. The Agricenter isn't close to anything fun, but at least it's safe..

so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

More like half a mile down young to Cooper Young area. Spent most of my teens in Cooper Young. What they have now is a nice area but it is a clique area. Not a main stream attraction area. You still have a mile or so to Union before you get to what many consider main stream eating establishments. Most of those who travel in RVs as tourist are in to the main steam type establishments.

When you write "main stream" it appears that you mean chain restaurant.

(07-10-2017 07:36 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 08:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 04:55 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 04:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Is there another RV park within the city limits? Is the agricenter the closest RV park to Memphis? Those are serious questions as I honestly don't know.

There's several, as i recall

1. off Canada road, it's a mobile home/KOA combo sight
2. Agricenter
3. RV park @ Graceland
4. Tom Sawyer's in W.Mphs
5. Horn Lake has one called Jellystone, or something like that.

If I owned an RV, not sure I'd stay in any of those, other than Agricenter.

Tom Sawyer would be as safe and I have stayed there in an RV but it is in the middle of nowhere (and you better be inside before dark) the one on Canada Road and Horn Lake are further away.

Only one in the city is Graceland and I am sure it is priced accordingly...So it would seem the Agricenter has the best location as far as proximity to the city...MAYBE that is a big draw to that park above and beyond just SAFETY as stated before.

Still yucking it up about the fictional RV park. You seem to be stuck on this point. Most people that RV have families or are a little older. Generalizing of course. The Agricenter isn't by many attractions, and those I've known that use it say safety is an important part. Most would prefer not to take the family truckster to East St Louis...

I have no idea if an RV park would work at the fairgrounds. It's honestly one of the better, cost effective ideas I've heard. Like others here, I'd like to see a good use for the area. To be successful, they would need some beefed up security, that's all I'm saying.

I'm out on this subject. NTR...

With how quickly things have moved thus far, at least this option would get some $ flowing until a master plan is implemented.

Colvett called in to Ditch & Jake this morning and mentioned the stadium expansion again. It's really not a good look for the councilman. He says we missed out on events like Guns-n-Roses because our 60k seat stadium isn't big enough. But GNR is playing Little Rock which I believe has a smaller stadium than our LBMS. Heck, Nissan Stadium is the one they point to for comparison and there's not much difference in capacity - less than 10k. Stadium capacity is not the reason we're not getting events, and it's silly to think we need to expand the stadium...

...Council member Frank Colvett called for the study, which could take the Liberty Bowl’s seating from 61,000 to 80,000 seats in the process.

“I want Beyonce to come play Memphis,” Colvett said in June of a tentative expansion that would be built around meeting the load-in requirements of concert tours of that size.

“Back in my day, it was 10 tractor-trailers and that was a huge show,” he said of stadium tours into the 1990s and demands now for bigger stages and staging areas to build those platforms.

“They can’t make money if they can’t get the tractor-trailers right there,” he said.

(07-10-2017 11:51 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:11 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  yeah, the Agricenter RV park is always full it seems...that's a solid idea.

put the spots around the Liberty Land green space you you would have a nice open green field right outside your RV.

You'd definitely need to provide big time security there, no way most people would feel safe there. It's ok for games, but it isn't the best are in town for longer stays. The Agricenter isn't close to anything fun, but at least it's safe..

so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

More like half a mile down young to Cooper Young area. Spent most of my teens in Cooper Young. What they have now is a nice area but it is a clique area. Not a main stream attraction area. You still have a mile or so to Union before you get to what many consider main stream eating establishments. Most of those who travel in RVs as tourist are in to the main steam type establishments.

When you write "main stream" it appears that you mean chain restaurant.

Barksdale is main stream to me. Just a family friendly place which caters to all groups. Used to be a place i loved to eat on the north east corner of Cooper Young. Just a counter and stools. Nothing fancy just plain food.

(07-10-2017 05:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 11:51 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:11 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  You'd definitely need to provide big time security there, no way most people would feel safe there. It's ok for games, but it isn't the best are in town for longer stays. The Agricenter isn't close to anything fun, but at least it's safe..

so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

More like half a mile down young to Cooper Young area. Spent most of my teens in Cooper Young. What they have now is a nice area but it is a clique area. Not a main stream attraction area. You still have a mile or so to Union before you get to what many consider main stream eating establishments. Most of those who travel in RVs as tourist are in to the main steam type establishments.

When you write "main stream" it appears that you mean chain restaurant.

Barksdale is main stream to me. Just a family friendly place which caters to all groups. Used to be a place i loved to eat on the north east corner of Cooper Young. Just a counter and stools. Nothing fancy just plain food.

That spot on the NE corner has been a million different names. It is currently Strano!

(07-10-2017 05:49 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 05:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 11:51 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:11 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

More like half a mile down young to Cooper Young area. Spent most of my teens in Cooper Young. What they have now is a nice area but it is a clique area. Not a main stream attraction area. You still have a mile or so to Union before you get to what many consider main stream eating establishments. Most of those who travel in RVs as tourist are in to the main steam type establishments.

When you write "main stream" it appears that you mean chain restaurant.

Barksdale is main stream to me. Just a family friendly place which caters to all groups. Used to be a place i loved to eat on the north east corner of Cooper Young. Just a counter and stools. Nothing fancy just plain food.

That spot on the NE corner has been a million different names. It is currently Strano!

Not associated with anything which has been there in the past 20 years.. I was talking about a little cafe which was there in the 60s and early 70s. Back when the drug store was still located on that corner and the auto parts store was on the SW side of the intersection.. I think the place's name was Herman's Cafe.

Somebody recently told me that the juice bar Cooper between Central and Union was briefly a shake joint in the 70's.

(07-10-2017 06:35 PM)3601 Wrote:  Somebody recently told me that the juice bar Cooper between Central and Union was briefly a shake joint in the 70's.

That end of Cooper was a little wild in the 70's. High Cotton was a good one too.

(07-10-2017 06:35 PM)3601 Wrote:  Somebody recently told me that the juice bar Cooper between Central and Union was briefly a shake joint in the 70's.

Yea it was a boobie bar for a while. I worked on the AC systems there.

(07-09-2017 05:52 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 09:53 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 08:24 PM)Claw Wrote:  The Fairgrounds has NEVER generated any significant economic activity in that area.

Anyone promising that now is either ignorant or a liar.

Wouldn't you have to build something there in order to generate income. That's what the discussion is about.

The Square was dead. It's thriving now.
South Main was caving in. It's a hotspot of development.
The Highland and Walker area by the UM was sad. Now its reinvented plus Highland row.
The Crosstown development is jumpstarting 38104.
The Pinch District is about to explode with $billions of development led by St Jude, City and private investment.
Beale, Broad Ave, I know there are others are happening because people with vision invest in the future. Even public housing has been reinvented as mixed use developments rather than warehouses for people living in poverty.

You don't shy away from a challenged neighborhood because it's a challenged neighborhood. You invest in making things better. That's what great cities do. They reinvent themselves over and over and over.

^^^
All of this.

We went to Nashville this weekend for the US Soccer game - if they had shied away from areas because they were "challenged," there would be no Gulch, no East Nashville resurgence, etc. Small-minded thinking gets us nowhere.

I understand and don't disagree. This isn't an issue of intentions.

The fairgrounds has an inherent problem. It is locked on three sides by the railyard, CBU, and a neighborhood. It will never really generate a lot of economic development in the area. There's nowhere to do it.

What you put at the fairgrounds may indeed have a shot at success. But you can't depend on developing the surrounding area for it to succeed. That has never happened before and won't happen now.

(07-12-2017 09:23 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 05:52 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 09:53 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 08:24 PM)Claw Wrote:  The Fairgrounds has NEVER generated any significant economic activity in that area.

Anyone promising that now is either ignorant or a liar.

Wouldn't you have to build something there in order to generate income. That's what the discussion is about.

The Square was dead. It's thriving now.
South Main was caving in. It's a hotspot of development.
The Highland and Walker area by the UM was sad. Now its reinvented plus Highland row.
The Crosstown development is jumpstarting 38104.
The Pinch District is about to explode with $billions of development led by St Jude, City and private investment.
Beale, Broad Ave, I know there are others are happening because people with vision invest in the future. Even public housing has been reinvented as mixed use developments rather than warehouses for people living in poverty.

You don't shy away from a challenged neighborhood because it's a challenged neighborhood. You invest in making things better. That's what great cities do. They reinvent themselves over and over and over.

^^^
All of this.

We went to Nashville this weekend for the US Soccer game - if they had shied away from areas because they were "challenged," there would be no Gulch, no East Nashville resurgence, etc. Small-minded thinking gets us nowhere.

I understand and don't disagree. This isn't an issue of intentions.

The fairgrounds has an inherent problem. It is locked on three sides by the railyard, CBU, and a neighborhood. It will never really generate a lot of economic development in the area. There's nowhere to do it.

What you put at the fairgrounds may indeed have a shot at success. But you can't depend on developing the surrounding area for it to succeed. That has never happened before and won't happen now.

You could say the same thing about the University District.

The popular southern corridor is a nightmare. [1]

[1] - http://memphismpo.org/project/poplar-southern-corridor

There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

(07-08-2017 06:33 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:11 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  yeah, the Agricenter RV park is always full it seems...that's a solid idea.

put the spots around the Liberty Land green space you you would have a nice open green field right outside your RV.

You'd definitely need to provide big time security there, no way most people would feel safe there. It's ok for games, but it isn't the best are in town for longer stays. The Agricenter isn't close to anything fun, but at least it's safe..

so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

More like half a mile down young to Cooper Young area. Spent most of my teens in Cooper Young. What they have now is a nice area but it is a clique area. Not a main stream attraction area. You still have a mile or so to Union before you get to what many consider main stream eating establishments. Most of those who travel in RVs as tourist are in to the main steam type establishments.

walking a half mile is nothing...takes maybe 10 mins and it's straight down Young. Beauty Shop, Young Ave Deli, Alchemy, and Cafe Ole are all right there...plus you have the Kroc Center, Children's museum, CBU, and Railgarten

Mulan, Sweet Grass, Celtic Crossing, Stone Soup, Aldo's Pizza, Soul Fish, cupcake shop, Burke's Bookstore, retail clothing, on and on.