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Redoing Realignment: SEC, B1G, Pac 12 form Power 3
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-fo...nferences/

2010 do over:

SEC: adds Texas A&M, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech

Big Ten: adds Nebraska, Notre Dame, Virginia, UNC, Duke

Pac 10: adds Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Utah

ACC: Pitt, BC, Syracuse, WVU, UConn, Rutgers, Miami, Maryland, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville, GT

American: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State, TCU, Boise State, Houston, Cincinnati, BYU
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No thank you.
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(07-06-2017 08:39 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  No thank you.

Of course because you'd be left out. But probably a more fittong landing spot.
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RE: Redoing Realignment: SEC, B1G, Pac 12 form Power 3
I mean, at that point, why wouldn't that version of the ACC - one without FSU, Clemson, VT, UNC, Duke and Virginia - just be added to the Big East, keeping MSG as a basketball tournament site, as well as potentially getting MetLife Stadium as the football championship game site? It would essentially be the Old Big East, with Maryland, NC State and Georgia Tech.

Boston College
DePaul
Georgia Tech
Georgetown
Louisville
Marquette
Maryland
Miami
NC State
Pittsburgh
Providence
Rutgers
Seton Hall
St. Johns

Syracuse
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Wake Forest
West Virginia
UConn
Xavier
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RE: Redoing Realignment: SEC, B1G, Pac 12 form Power 3
(07-06-2017 09:25 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 08:39 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  No thank you.

Of course because you'd be left out. But probably a more fittong landing spot.

A couple of things about TCU.

1) They were picked (not demanded on by a governor) to become a member of the B12 ahead of the likes of West Virginia and Louisville, two quality P5 programs.

2) Ft.Worth trends western and DFW is one of the best recruiting markets. TCU has essentially become a Miami FL for Texas.

This is why they could end up in the PAC instead of Oklahoma State which doesn't give you anything additional in the way of market presence.
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Redoing Realignment: SEC, B1G, Pac 12 form Power 3
(07-06-2017 11:11 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 09:25 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 08:39 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  No thank you.

Of course because you'd be left out. But probably a more fittong landing spot.

A couple of things about TCU.

1) They were picked (not demanded on by a governor) to become a member of the B12 ahead of the likes of West Virginia and Louisville, two quality P5 programs.

2) Ft.Worth trends western and DFW is one of the best recruiting markets. TCU has essentially become a Miami FL for Texas.

This is why they could end up in the PAC instead of Oklahoma State which doesn't give you anything additional in the way of market presence.

As to 1, TCU had geography & the fact that they were readily available as they were already transitioning between conferences as the B12 needed 2 teams asap. Still a great add for the B12.
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Even if FSU, Clemson & VT left the ACC I don't see NC, Virginia or Duke leaving. ND would still be independent & I could possibly see Penn State in the ACC in this scenario as the ACC wouldn't have had a choice but to look to the north for expansion.

NC, Duke, Virginia, Miami, NC State, GT, WF

Penn State, Pittsburgh, WV, Syracuse, BC, Louisville, Rutgers

ND with a partial still.
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(07-06-2017 12:03 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Even if FSU, Clemson & VT left the ACC I don't see NC, Virginia or Duke leaving. ND would still be independent & I could possibly see Penn State in the ACC in this scenario as the ACC wouldn't have had a choice but to look to the north for expansion.

NC, Duke, Virginia, Miami, NC State, GT, WF

Penn State, Pittsburgh, WV, Syracuse, BC, Louisville, Rutgers

ND with a partial still.

Why would Penn State leave the Big Ten for the ACC, let alone a gutted ACC?
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(07-06-2017 12:16 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 12:03 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Even if FSU, Clemson & VT left the ACC I don't see NC, Virginia or Duke leaving. ND would still be independent & I could possibly see Penn State in the ACC in this scenario as the ACC wouldn't have had a choice but to look to the north for expansion.

NC, Duke, Virginia, Miami, NC State, GT, WF

Penn State, Pittsburgh, WV, Syracuse, BC, Louisville, Maryland

ND with a partial still.

Why would Penn State leave the Big Ten for the ACC, let alone a gutted ACC?

Im saying they would have gone to the ACC before they went to the B1G, the ACC would have put forth more of an effort to get them when they actually had a chance to. If not then in this timeline the networks payouts hadn't exploded yet & they all were nearly equal. A northeastern division like this would have at least enticed them to make a change. The B1G would be looking more at the midwest for expansion & possibly driven Penn State out doing so. I just noticed that I left Maryland out of the ACC, I should have had them there instead of either Rutgers, Louisville or WV.
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(07-06-2017 12:55 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 12:16 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 12:03 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Even if FSU, Clemson & VT left the ACC I don't see NC, Virginia or Duke leaving. ND would still be independent & I could possibly see Penn State in the ACC in this scenario as the ACC wouldn't have had a choice but to look to the north for expansion.

NC, Duke, Virginia, Miami, NC State, GT, WF

Penn State, Pittsburgh, WV, Syracuse, BC, Louisville, Maryland

ND with a partial still.

Why would Penn State leave the Big Ten for the ACC, let alone a gutted ACC?

Im saying they would have gone to the ACC before they went to the B1G, the ACC would have put forth more of an effort to get them when they actually had a chance to. If not then in this timeline the networks payouts hadn't exploded yet & they all were nearly equal. A northeastern division like this would have at least enticed them to make a change. The B1G would be looking more at the midwest for expansion & possibly driven Penn State out doing so. I just noticed that I left Maryland out of the ACC, I should have had them there instead of either Rutgers, Louisville or WV.

Ah, OK. I do very much like alternate history scenarios, especially those going back prior to the formation of the Big East football wing and the Big 12. But VT having "left the ACC" implies the point of divergence is 2004 or later. The author's intended POD was 2010.
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RE: Redoing Realignment: SEC, B1G, Pac 12 form Power 3
Actually the whole thing is silly and predicated on the notion that you could unwind the knot between NCSU/UNC/UVa/VT and Duke, and that these 5 would then stick it to Wake Forest - the overlaping governing boards and the overlaping family, political, and business interests means that all six have to have a home that makes them satisfied - this is the knot that the B10 and SEC could not cut because these six are enough for UNC to be happy and add whomever. UNC is not leaving a conference system they are able to control, just like Ohio State and Michigan or Alabama and Florida are not going to leave a situation they control.
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(07-06-2017 07:58 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-fo...nferences/

2010 do over:

SEC: adds Texas A&M, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech

Big Ten: adds Nebraska, Notre Dame, Virginia, UNC, Duke

Pac 10: adds Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Utah

ACC: Pitt, BC, Syracuse, WVU, UConn, Rutgers, Miami, Maryland, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville, GT

American: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State, TCU, Boise State, Houston, Cincinnati, BYU

I'm clearly not upset by this. I would consider Memphis, UCF, USF, and Temple for the American. That's 4 decent markets (Memphis, Orlando, Tampa, Philadelphia) and good recruiting grounds.

West: Boise St, BYU, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Missouri, Baylor
East: TCU, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Temple
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Pac 18 adds Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma State

Big 10 adds Rutgers, Maryland, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech, Florida State

SEC adds Texas A&M, Missouri, North Carolina State, Virginia Tech, Miami (FL), West Virginia

ACC (Clemson, Wake, BC) adds South Florida, Cincinnati, Temple, Central Florida, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Louisville, East Carolina, Connecticut

Big 12 (ISU, Baylor, KSU) adds TCU, SMU, Houston, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, BYU, Boise State, Colorado State

The Big East would continue as a non-football conference and the C7 plus Norte Dame would invite Xavier, Butler, Creighton, and Saint Louis
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Redo 1990's

SEC adds Arkansas, Florida State, Texas A&M, Texas

SEC east:
UF, FSU, UGa, Tenn, V, UK, Aub

SEC West:
A&M, Texas, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, MSU, Ala

2010's
Add Oklahoma and Virginia Tech
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(07-06-2017 08:58 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Redo 1990's

SEC adds Arkansas, Florida State, Texas A&M, Texas

SEC east:
UF, FSU, UGa, Tenn, V, UK, Aub

SEC West:
A&M, Texas, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, MSU, Ala

2010's
Add Oklahoma and Virginia Tech

I'd anticipate that if this move occurred BYU, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU would go to the Big 8. Maybe Houston in place of one of the privates. In the event that Colorado still goes to the Pac 12 w/ Utah in the early 2010's then Boise St or Houston would be their replacement.

South Carolina goes back to the ACC in the early 90's. Virginia Tech, BC, and Miami still join in '04-'05
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(07-06-2017 07:58 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-fo...nferences/

2010 do over:

SEC: adds Texas A&M, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech

Big Ten: adds Nebraska, Notre Dame, Virginia, UNC, Duke

Pac 10: adds Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Utah

ACC: Pitt, BC, Syracuse, WVU, UConn, Rutgers, Miami, Maryland, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville, GT

American: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State, TCU, Boise State, Houston, Cincinnati, BYU

I think Notre Dame still says no to the Big Ten. The Big Ten adds Maryland instead. It works better for the Big Ten too because Maryland is really valuable and it gives them geographic continuity.
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(07-06-2017 09:49 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I mean, at that point, why wouldn't that version of the ACC - one without FSU, Clemson, VT, UNC, Duke and Virginia - just be added to the Big East, keeping MSG as a basketball tournament site, as well as potentially getting MetLife Stadium as the football championship game site? It would essentially be the Old Big East, with Maryland, NC State and Georgia Tech.

Boston College
DePaul
Georgia Tech
Georgetown
Louisville
Marquette
Maryland
Miami
NC State
Pittsburgh
Providence
Rutgers
Seton Hall
St. Johns

Syracuse
Villanova
Wake Forest
West Virginia
UConn
Xavier

Agreed. At that point the Big East is significantly more valuable than the gutted ACC.

ACC: BC, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami, NC State, Wake Forest

Big East is still intact with 8 football schools (including Cincinnati and USF), plus the extremely valuable C7 and the MSG basketball contract.
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Missouri, Syc, Rutgers to B-10
TexA&M, WV to SEC
B-12 still has Neb, Louv for 10
Hous & Memphis, 11 & 12
Conn, Pitt, Mia, VT, BC to ACC
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While we are replaying early '90's realignment let's say that Penn St got their Eastern all sports league and get both Florida St and Miami on board.

BC
'Cuse
Pitt
Penn St
Temple
Rutgers
WVU
VT
Florida St
Miami

In the early 2000s they steal GT and Clemson to make 12.

Some time in the 2010s this Eastern League, Big Ten, and SEC carve up the ACC schools Maryland, UVA, UNC, NC St, and Duke (WF gets left behind)
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So Caralina, Louv, Cin, Memph
would also been available
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