Also has some words for NIU boosters right before the 4 min mark

https://youtu.be/LY5vA1CrWdQ


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You have to give them their props, they're killing it on the recruiting trail

Coach Big Pete nailed it: "batshit crazy" boosters.

I don't think it's any secret to anyone on this board that this new staff has KILLED it on the trail. The combination of experience, youth, and former players has done wonders on the trail. With that said, slowing down booster wise is not an option. I totally understand where he is coming from and what it must look like from the outside. But the fact is, CFB is changing so rapidly that slowing down does nothing, in fact we need to convince our boosters, alumni, and donors of the opposite. FULL STEAM AHEAD. Forward.

Regarding his comments about boosters, I think he has a point. It seems there's a "Fire Carey" comment anytime there's a positive NIU Football post on social media. I wonder what players, recruits, parents, students think when they constantly see these comments. While I understand the rhetoric, it's just over the top in my opinion, especially when it goes well beyond a football blog.

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that is my take on Big Pete's comments as well.........he isn't talking about slowing down donations or support...he is talking about being realistic with regard to expectations. The negativity here may stem from an entitlement attitude that because NIU had amazing success, far beyond expectations, for a few years, it should always be that way......how quickly many forget the lean Novak years when NIU may have been the worst BCS level (or whatever it was called then) football team on the planet.....compared to those dog days, even these last few, injury plagued years, have looked good. And recruiting starts at the top: the head coach must be organized, energized and focused and must empower the assistants to scour the countryside and make strong relationships with high school coaches and kids......certainly Carey has done that but few seem to give him credit for that or anything else for that matter.......

(07-06-2017 12:10 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  that is my take on Big Pete's comments as well.........he isn't talking about slowing down donations or support...he is talking about being realistic with regard to expectations. The negativity here may stem from an entitlement attitude that because NIU had amazing success, far beyond expectations, for a few years, it should always be that way......how quickly many forget the lean Novak years when NIU may have been the worst BCS level (or whatever it was called then) football team on the planet.....compared to those dog days, even these last few, injury plagued years, have looked good. And recruiting starts at the top: the head coach must be organized, energized and focused and must empower the assistants to scour the countryside and make strong relationships with high school coaches and kids......certainly Carey has done that but few seem to give him credit for that or anything else for that matter.......

Key Points:
-Because of our success, the bar has been raised - period.
-We are no longer in the Dog Days.
-It's football, injuries happen.
-Since Carey has taken over, there is an undeniable downward trend - Worse each of the last 3 years.
-There continues to be smoke from his administration and, from his own sideline and mouth.
-Our coaching success, has also raised the bar for him and, he's struggling to get over it.

Are our expectations unreasonable? Maybe - However, acceptance of another .500 or, sub-.500 season, would seem to indicate mediocrity is now the new bar. I'm not leading a parade to say he has to go but, there are an abundance of warning signs. Count me as one who is in the jury and, "the jury is out".

Hope springs eternal!!!

I fully agree with you Cagey. I grew up an NIU fan and have seen my fair share of tough years. This last year is nothing compared to the dark days. People also fail to recall Joe Novak's last year was a terrible season plagued by injuries. He stepped down afterward because he couldn't go through the rebuilding process again. And, Joe never won a MACC. He came close but never won. At this point, Carey seems to be doing all the right things to right the ship. Maybe we should also support the program right now and stop the negativity. I for one don't care if it's Carey or another coach; I just want us to be back on top.

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(07-05-2017 10:50 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  Coach Big Pete nailed it: "batshit crazy" boosters.

So true.

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How does he know we have the best recruiting staff? Verbals mean very little nowadays so until they sign it remains to be seen. And I haven't seen anything great so far from the previous 2 recruiting years. Not saying it isn't true, but naturally he isn't going to admit 2 years from now that he was wrong even if he was. 6 months from now he'll forget he even made the claim or just rationalize it. If you make enough claims eventually you will be right.

E.g. have we signed anyone that had offers from Illinois or Northwestern? Not trying to be negative but he needs to settle down every bit as much as the boosters.

(07-06-2017 06:31 AM)DeKalb57 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 12:10 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  that is my take on Big Pete's comments as well.........he isn't talking about slowing down donations or support...he is talking about being realistic with regard to expectations. The negativity here may stem from an entitlement attitude that because NIU had amazing success, far beyond expectations, for a few years, it should always be that way......how quickly many forget the lean Novak years when NIU may have been the worst BCS level (or whatever it was called then) football team on the planet.....compared to those dog days, even these last few, injury plagued years, have looked good. And recruiting starts at the top: the head coach must be organized, energized and focused and must empower the assistants to scour the countryside and make strong relationships with high school coaches and kids......certainly Carey has done that but few seem to give him credit for that or anything else for that matter.......

Key Points:
-Because of our success, the bar has been raised - period.
-We are no longer in the Dog Days.
-It's football, injuries happen.
-Since Carey has taken over, there is an undeniable downward trend - Worse each of the last 3 years.
-There continues to be smoke from his administration and, from his own sideline and mouth.
-Our coaching success, has also raised the bar for him and, he's struggling to get over it.

Are our expectations unreasonable? Maybe - However, acceptance of another .500 or, sub-.500 season, would seem to indicate mediocrity is now the new bar. I'm not leading a parade to say he has to go but, there are an abundance of warning signs. Count me as one who is in the jury and, "the jury is out".

Hope springs eternal!!!

The bar has been raised. But it can't be set at a pole vault. Yes, this team should be no worse then .500 and a winning MAC record. Expecting a winning season and a chance at division title every year is a High bar that maybe a quarter of college football fans get. But everyone needs to ditch this "next Boise" dream. Do I think they'll win this year? No, some years it's just not in the cards. Woodside was a top 5 QB in the country last year. Too much to overcome in 17. Last year WMU had an all time MAC season. But NIU will still be in the West race down to the end and inevitably lose out to the best QB. Next year it will be a 3 team, very even race. And that's what it will be for the near future. The bar should be at the top 1/4 of the MAC. If you're thinking there's more there, I hate to disappoint you, but there's not.

If you wanna see what a crazy good "MAC" season can do to a fan base, go over to WMUs page where some of their fans are talking about handling Michigan Staye easily this year.

(07-05-2017 07:53 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  Also has some words for NIU boosters right before the 4 min mark

https://youtu.be/LY5vA1CrWdQ


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Great perspective from an outsider. We can afford to be batshit crazy when we get a real invite into a Bigger and Better conference, but until then chill out. Our winning tradition is fairly new.

(07-06-2017 10:01 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 06:31 AM)DeKalb57 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 12:10 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  that is my take on Big Pete's comments as well.........he isn't talking about slowing down donations or support...he is talking about being realistic with regard to expectations. The negativity here may stem from an entitlement attitude that because NIU had amazing success, far beyond expectations, for a few years, it should always be that way......how quickly many forget the lean Novak years when NIU may have been the worst BCS level (or whatever it was called then) football team on the planet.....compared to those dog days, even these last few, injury plagued years, have looked good. And recruiting starts at the top: the head coach must be organized, energized and focused and must empower the assistants to scour the countryside and make strong relationships with high school coaches and kids......certainly Carey has done that but few seem to give him credit for that or anything else for that matter.......

Key Points:
-Because of our success, the bar has been raised - period.
-We are no longer in the Dog Days.
-It's football, injuries happen.
-Since Carey has taken over, there is an undeniable downward trend - Worse each of the last 3 years.
-There continues to be smoke from his administration and, from his own sideline and mouth.
-Our coaching success, has also raised the bar for him and, he's struggling to get over it.

Are our expectations unreasonable? Maybe - However, acceptance of another .500 or, sub-.500 season, would seem to indicate mediocrity is now the new bar. I'm not leading a parade to say he has to go but, there are an abundance of warning signs. Count me as one who is in the jury and, "the jury is out".

Hope springs eternal!!!

The bar has been raised. But it can't be set at a pole vault. Yes, this team should be no worse then .500 and a winning MAC record. Expecting a winning season and a chance at division title every year is a High bar that maybe a quarter of college football fans get. But everyone needs to ditch this "next Boise" dream. Do I think they'll win this year? No, some years it's just not in the cards. Woodside was a top 5 QB in the country last year. Too much to overcome in 17. Last year WMU had an all time MAC season. But NIU will still be in the West race down to the end and inevitably lose out to the best QB. Next year it will be a 3 team, very even race. And that's what it will be for the near future. The bar should be at the top 1/4 of the MAC. If you're thinking there's more there, I hate to disappoint you, but there's not.

If you wanna see what a crazy good "MAC" season can do to a fan base, go over to WMUs page where some of their fans are talking about handling Michigan Staye easily this year.

Carey should understand that the way to the MACC game and winning the championship is with a stud QB. Joe Novak certainly learned that. So, until we can get another stud QB, we may get close, but that's all.

(07-06-2017 10:14 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 10:01 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 06:31 AM)DeKalb57 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 12:10 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  that is my take on Big Pete's comments as well.........he isn't talking about slowing down donations or support...he is talking about being realistic with regard to expectations. The negativity here may stem from an entitlement attitude that because NIU had amazing success, far beyond expectations, for a few years, it should always be that way......how quickly many forget the lean Novak years when NIU may have been the worst BCS level (or whatever it was called then) football team on the planet.....compared to those dog days, even these last few, injury plagued years, have looked good. And recruiting starts at the top: the head coach must be organized, energized and focused and must empower the assistants to scour the countryside and make strong relationships with high school coaches and kids......certainly Carey has done that but few seem to give him credit for that or anything else for that matter.......

Key Points:
-Because of our success, the bar has been raised - period.
-We are no longer in the Dog Days.
-It's football, injuries happen.
-Since Carey has taken over, there is an undeniable downward trend - Worse each of the last 3 years.
-There continues to be smoke from his administration and, from his own sideline and mouth.
-Our coaching success, has also raised the bar for him and, he's struggling to get over it.

Are our expectations unreasonable? Maybe - However, acceptance of another .500 or, sub-.500 season, would seem to indicate mediocrity is now the new bar. I'm not leading a parade to say he has to go but, there are an abundance of warning signs. Count me as one who is in the jury and, "the jury is out".

Hope springs eternal!!!

The bar has been raised. But it can't be set at a pole vault. Yes, this team should be no worse then .500 and a winning MAC record. Expecting a winning season and a chance at division title every year is a High bar that maybe a quarter of college football fans get. But everyone needs to ditch this "next Boise" dream. Do I think they'll win this year? No, some years it's just not in the cards. Woodside was a top 5 QB in the country last year. Too much to overcome in 17. Last year WMU had an all time MAC season. But NIU will still be in the West race down to the end and inevitably lose out to the best QB. Next year it will be a 3 team, very even race. And that's what it will be for the near future. The bar should be at the top 1/4 of the MAC. If you're thinking there's more there, I hate to disappoint you, but there's not.

If you wanna see what a crazy good "MAC" season can do to a fan base, go over to WMUs page where some of their fans are talking about handling Michigan Staye easily this year.

Carey should understand that the way to the MACC game and winning the championship is with a stud QB. Joe Novak certainly learned that. So, until we can get another stud QB, we may get close, but that's all.

Totally agree. It's no coincidence NIUs best seasons have been while we've had our best QBs....Lynch, Harnsih, Haldi, Robinson. This is a very fair criticism of Carey. Get a QB coach!

(07-06-2017 08:20 AM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 10:50 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  Coach Big Pete nailed it: "batshit crazy" boosters.

So true.

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Nailed it. Most of them are on this board. Slow down

(07-06-2017 09:10 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  How does he know we have the best recruiting staff? Verbals mean very little nowadays so until they sign it remains to be seen. And I haven't seen anything great so far from the previous 2 recruiting years. Not saying it isn't true, but naturally he isn't going to admit 2 years from now that he was wrong even if he was. 6 months from now he'll forget he even made the claim or just rationalize it. If you make enough claims eventually you will be right.

E.g. have we signed anyone that had offers from Illinois or Northwestern? Not trying to be negative but he needs to settle down every bit as much as the boosters.

Oh but you are being negative simply because you're being objective.
The ultimate irony is this guy's "batshit crazy" label applies to so many on this board who automatically accept his "observations" as significant. Until this thread, willing to bet about 65% of posters had no idea who he is .... if he's just another blogger who took advantage of a gofundme opportunity or what his qualifications are (he is a former Westmont line coach and one-year head JV coach) or who his connections are with.
Watch his video on NIU coaches and try to count how often he uses the word "great." Now watch one of his other youtube videos, say the one on Wyoming, New Mexico and Indiana State, and count how often he uses the word "great." Bottom line, he's not going to get too far being critical of any staff, but if NIU truly has "the best recruiting staff," then figure half the 2017 coaches will be hired away for 2018.
Still waiting to see someone answer NIU007's question: have we signed anyone that had offers from Illinois or Northwestern?

To hear Big Coach Pete speak you would think we have hundreds or thousands of crazy ass boosters when you can probably count them on one or two hands. BTW, what is Big Pete's background? Can't say I have ever heard of him before. Also, the production quality of his video is worse than my 12 year old niece's You Tube video on how to make green slime.

Update: Upon further review I read the Q&A section about himself on his Deep Dish Pizza website. Methinks he might just be batshit crazy too!

We sure took a ride down a hole with this thread.

Fact: Our recruiting has been better

That's all we really need to know. And we've discussed in many other threads why we think it's been better.

(07-06-2017 09:10 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  How does he know we have the best recruiting staff? Verbals mean very little nowadays so until they sign it remains to be seen. And I haven't seen anything great so far from the previous 2 recruiting years. Not saying it isn't true, but naturally he isn't going to admit 2 years from now that he was wrong even if he was. 6 months from now he'll forget he even made the claim or just rationalize it. If you make enough claims eventually you will be right.

E.g. have we signed anyone that had offers from Illinois or Northwestern? Not trying to be negative but he needs to settle down every bit as much as the boosters.

NIU has fallen drastically in the MAC in recruiting, thats all I care about. I can't imagine with all of Carey's shenanigans how anyone would want to play for him, especially QBs. I

(07-06-2017 03:11 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  We sure took a ride down a hole with this thread.

Fact: Our recruiting has been better

That's all we really need to know. And we've discussed in many other threads why we think it's been better.

What is that based on exactly? And are you talking this year or previous years?