(07-07-2017 06:29 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Cincinnati fans it was seven years ago it'll be ok. Cincinnati deserved to be that game that just got a bad draw with the lose of the coaching staff and having to play probably the second best team in the country.

Cincinnati fans get very testy when this game is mentioned. You have no idea how much crap we have taken over the years about it. Most outside fan bases act as if it were the biggest bowl blow out in history (when its not even close to being the biggest bowl blow out. Over the years, the outsiders point to this game as "proof" that we never belonged in the Big East (despite the fact we had the second most wins and conference championships in the BE from 2005-2012).

(07-07-2017 07:20 AM)Stookey57 Wrote:  You guys like to throw cherry bombs at each other a dysfunctional Bunch indeed

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Oh really Stookey, come over here, I want a piece of you!

Anything that can be done to require coaches to finish out a complete season? Bailing early is such a **** thing to do to the kids you mentored and coached all year... just for money.

What is very ironic is Florida beat Ohio State the prior year in the bowl game by a near identical score.

(07-07-2017 07:24 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 06:29 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Cincinnati fans it was seven years ago it'll be ok. Cincinnati deserved to be that game that just got a bad draw with the lose of the coaching staff and having to play probably the second best team in the country.

Cincinnati fans get very testy when this game is mentioned. You have no idea how much crap we have taken over the years about it. Most outside fan bases act as if it were the biggest bowl blow out in history (when its not even close to being the biggest bowl blow out. Over the years, the outsiders point to this game as "proof" that we never belonged in the Big East (despite the fact we had the second most wins and conference championships in the BE from 2005-2012).

Cincy belonged in the big east. The big east was never a power conference and why the powers that be jettisoned them at the esrliest convenience. Look at the records of old big east teams since they cant fluff each other in the same weak conference. I never wanted memphis to join the big east, get the money check but never had any desire to play awful northeast football schools.

(07-07-2017 09:01 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 07:24 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 06:29 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Cincinnati fans it was seven years ago it'll be ok. Cincinnati deserved to be that game that just got a bad draw with the lose of the coaching staff and having to play probably the second best team in the country.

Cincinnati fans get very testy when this game is mentioned. You have no idea how much crap we have taken over the years about it. Most outside fan bases act as if it were the biggest bowl blow out in history (when its not even close to being the biggest bowl blow out. Over the years, the outsiders point to this game as "proof" that we never belonged in the Big East (despite the fact we had the second most wins and conference championships in the BE from 2005-2012).

Cincy belonged in the big east. The big east was never a power conference and why the powers that be jettisoned them at the esrliest convenience. Look at the records of old big east teams since they cant fluff each other in the same weak conference. I never wanted memphis to join the big east, get the money check but never had any desire to play awful northeast football schools.

I think Louisville has done quite well....yea....playing UTEP, Rice, Marshall is better than playing Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse etc...do you really know anything about college football and the National perception of who you play??....looks like you don't..

(07-07-2017 09:01 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 07:24 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 06:29 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Cincinnati fans it was seven years ago it'll be ok. Cincinnati deserved to be that game that just got a bad draw with the lose of the coaching staff and having to play probably the second best team in the country.

Cincinnati fans get very testy when this game is mentioned. You have no idea how much crap we have taken over the years about it. Most outside fan bases act as if it were the biggest bowl blow out in history (when its not even close to being the biggest bowl blow out. Over the years, the outsiders point to this game as "proof" that we never belonged in the Big East (despite the fact we had the second most wins and conference championships in the BE from 2005-2012).

Cincy belonged in the big east. The big east was never a power conference and why the powers that be jettisoned them at the esrliest convenience. Look at the records of old big east teams since they cant fluff each other in the same weak conference. I never wanted memphis to join the big east, get the money check but never had any desire to play awful northeast football schools.

Oh you didn't want to be in a conference again with your two biggest rivals Cincy and Louisville? You didn't want to play against other teams that have more history than any team in this conference (besides navy and smu) in Pitt, Syracuse, WV? Well two other power conferences were happy to take them. Hell even the big ten took Rutgers (Ill give you them but they were a top 25 team throughout the 2000's in many of the years.

And since Memphis is a strictly basketball school you also didn't want to be in the greatest basketball conference ever assembled?

Yeah prolly bud!

(07-07-2017 09:23 AM)uchoops Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 09:01 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 07:24 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 06:29 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Cincinnati fans it was seven years ago it'll be ok. Cincinnati deserved to be that game that just got a bad draw with the lose of the coaching staff and having to play probably the second best team in the country.

Cincinnati fans get very testy when this game is mentioned. You have no idea how much crap we have taken over the years about it. Most outside fan bases act as if it were the biggest bowl blow out in history (when its not even close to being the biggest bowl blow out. Over the years, the outsiders point to this game as "proof" that we never belonged in the Big East (despite the fact we had the second most wins and conference championships in the BE from 2005-2012).

Cincy belonged in the big east. The big east was never a power conference and why the powers that be jettisoned them at the esrliest convenience. Look at the records of old big east teams since they cant fluff each other in the same weak conference. I never wanted memphis to join the big east, get the money check but never had any desire to play awful northeast football schools.

I think Louisville has done quite well....yea....playing UTEP, Rice, Marshall is better than playing Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse etc...do you really know anything about college football and the National perception of who you play??....looks like you don't..

In fairness to Khan, the Big East was perfect for UC because UL, Pitt WVU, Marquette and Depaul were in our regional foot print, we have similar missions and we have a lot of alums who are working/living in the northeastern part of the country. Likewise Southern Miss, UAB, etc. were perfect matches for Memphis for the same reason. Culturally, Memphis was never a fit for the Big East.

Eh, regarding Shere Khan... Obvious troll is...obvious.

Don't feed the troll.

(07-05-2017 09:14 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 08:08 PM)uchoops Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 07:25 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 05:09 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  #3 Cincinnati vs #12 Florida

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Awful game. People laughed at the big east for even having a team there. Never close. 44-10 in the 3rd quarter. Arguably the worst Sugar Bowl in history

And Memphis played in a BCS bowl game...when? Wasn't that the year Memphis went 2-10 and finished last in Conference USA East Division behind S Miss, UAB and Marshall

Yeah. Too bad we werent in the big east to give you beatdowns like the last few years. Btw, weve actually beaten florida.
You can watch the highlights. See how it feels.

https://youtu.be/CTGPcoavR7c

Where the heck is bc#1

Wow, you beat a 6 win team with wins over the likes of Montana St, Indiana St, Miss St, Ole Miss and Kentucky

Big East when it had eight football members should have invited UCF, Navy, and ECU for football only. And Memphis for all sports. They shot themselves in the foot after the ACC raided the first time.

(07-07-2017 03:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big East when it had eight football members should have invited UCF, Navy, and ECU for football only. And Memphis for all sports. They shot themselves in the foot after the ACC raided the first time.

I actually agree with you the Big East sat at 8 for too long, but many have suggested those additions would not have changed a single thing... Pit and Cuse would still have bolted, starting the dominos that eventually led to the AAC being formed.

(07-07-2017 03:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big East when it had eight football members should have invited UCF, Navy, and ECU for football only. And Memphis for all sports. They shot themselves in the foot after the ACC raided the first time.

You all clearly do not understand the Big East...old, new, or whatever. The Big East was all about values that UCF, ECU, and even Memphis didn't share. USF was an outlier and was only added because the departure of Miami left a perceived gap in recruiting. UCF had just brought their football up to "Division 1A" status and had they done so when USF had, maybe they would have been the better pick, but I kind of doubt it. UCF was trying hard to position themselves as "The largest public University" and that clearly was not what the BE was looking for. ECU was a rural, large, public University with no perceived interest in basketball. Memphis probably would have been a closer institutional fit, but was perceived to be outside of the BE footprint and not in a major area for either recruiting or media.

Navy is intriguing but had two major issues... The first was that Navy was ADAMANT at that time that they were going to remain independent in FB. I always find it amusing when people say "We should add...Insert Name Here..." but "Insert Name University" has said that they don't want to be added. Navy DID NOT want to join a conference then, otherwise...yeah, the BE MIGHT have added them. But the second problem with Navy was that the Big East ALREADY had a "partial" member in Notre Dame and I'm not sure they wanted to exacerbate that issue. But I do think Navy probably would have been onboard IF they had wanted to be.

In the end, what you propose never was going to happen. The "C7" would have walked out of the deal...(OK, the C5: Saint John's, Providence, Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Villanova) and along with UConn would have raided CUSA and the A10 for the parts they needed for a BB conference. The BE was started as a "BB first" conference and that's exactly what it is today. The football days were the exception and not the rule. So the BE actually bought itself 8 years of BCS payments by going the way it did.

(07-07-2017 09:40 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 09:01 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 07:24 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 06:29 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Cincinnati fans it was seven years ago it'll be ok. Cincinnati deserved to be that game that just got a bad draw with the lose of the coaching staff and having to play probably the second best team in the country.

Cincinnati fans get very testy when this game is mentioned. You have no idea how much crap we have taken over the years about it. Most outside fan bases act as if it were the biggest bowl blow out in history (when its not even close to being the biggest bowl blow out. Over the years, the outsiders point to this game as "proof" that we never belonged in the Big East (despite the fact we had the second most wins and conference championships in the BE from 2005-2012).

Cincy belonged in the big east. The big east was never a power conference and why the powers that be jettisoned them at the esrliest convenience. Look at the records of old big east teams since they cant fluff each other in the same weak conference. I never wanted memphis to join the big east, get the money check but never had any desire to play awful northeast football schools.

Oh you didn't want to be in a conference again with your two biggest rivals Cincy and Louisville? You didn't want to play against other teams that have more history than any team in this conference (besides navy and smu) in Pitt, Syracuse, WV? Well two other power conferences were happy to take them. Hell even the big ten took Rutgers (Ill give you them but they were a top 25 team throughout the 2000's in many of the years.

And since Memphis is a strictly basketball school you also didn't want to be in the greatest basketball conference ever assembled?

Yeah prolly bud!

I hate bassetball

(07-07-2017 10:34 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 09:14 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 08:08 PM)uchoops Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 07:25 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 05:09 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  #3 Cincinnati vs #12 Florida

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Awful game. People laughed at the big east for even having a team there. Never close. 44-10 in the 3rd quarter. Arguably the worst Sugar Bowl in history

And Memphis played in a BCS bowl game...when? Wasn't that the year Memphis went 2-10 and finished last in Conference USA East Division behind S Miss, UAB and Marshall

Yeah. Too bad we werent in the big east to give you beatdowns like the last few years. Btw, weve actually beaten florida.
You can watch the highlights. See how it feels.

https://youtu.be/CTGPcoavR7c

Where the heck is bc#1

Wow, you beat a 6 win team with wins over the likes of Montana St, Indiana St, Miss St, Ole Miss and Kentucky

Undefeated until we broke them. Look it up

(07-07-2017 04:08 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 03:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big East when it had eight football members should have invited UCF, Navy, and ECU for football only. And Memphis for all sports. They shot themselves in the foot after the ACC raided the first time.

I actually agree with you the Big East sat at 8 for too long, but many have suggested those additions would not have changed a single thing... Pit and Cuse would still have bolted, starting the dominos that eventually led to the AAC being formed.

I'm in the latter camp: The additions wouldn't have changed anything. Even if we add ECU and UCF and Navy circa 2007, Pitt and Cuse and then WVU all still bolt, and we end up where we are now anyway.

In the end, those teams joined, but while the Big East was AQ, it was more profitable to be splitting the AQ check 8 ways instead of 12.

(07-07-2017 05:40 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 03:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big East when it had eight football members should have invited UCF, Navy, and ECU for football only. And Memphis for all sports. They shot themselves in the foot after the ACC raided the first time.

You all clearly do not understand the Big East...old, new, or whatever. The Big East was all about values that UCF, ECU, and even Memphis didn't share. USF was an outlier and was only added because the departure of Miami left a perceived gap in recruiting. UCF had just brought their football up to "Division 1A" status and had they done so when USF had, maybe they would have been the better pick, but I kind of doubt it. UCF was trying hard to position themselves as "The largest public University" and that clearly was not what the BE was looking for. ECU was a rural, large, public University with no perceived interest in basketball. Memphis probably would have been a closer institutional fit, but was perceived to be outside of the BE footprint and not in a major area for either recruiting or media.

Navy is intriguing but had two major issues... The first was that Navy was ADAMANT at that time that they were going to remain independent in FB. I always find it amusing when people say "We should add...Insert Name Here..." but "Insert Name University" has said that they don't want to be added. Navy DID NOT want to join a conference then, otherwise...yeah, the BE MIGHT have added them. But the second problem with Navy was that the Big East ALREADY had a "partial" member in Notre Dame and I'm not sure they wanted to exacerbate that issue. But I do think Navy probably would have been onboard IF they had wanted to be.

In the end, what you propose never was going to happen. The "C7" would have walked out of the deal...(OK, the C5: Saint John's, Providence, Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Villanova) and along with UConn would have raided CUSA and the A10 for the parts they needed for a BB conference. The BE was started as a "BB first" conference and that's exactly what it is today. The football days were the exception and not the rule. So the BE actually bought itself 8 years of BCS payments by going the way it did.

Excellent history. Those whose schools didn't join until the Big East was already collapsing often do not grasp the internal culture of the pre-2013 conference. Believe me, as a USF supporter I do remember it, because as you say, we were the farthest-removed from that culture, we well-understood our kind of 'mercenary' role, the Florida Black Sheep of the family while we were apart of it.

That said, during those 8-9 years after USF joined, the eight football schools did coalesce into a fairly tight-fitting subculture. The football competition was tough and intense, quasi-rivalries and grudges developed, as did some mutual respect, and USF did fit into that. During football season, I miss that, as the AAC football culture hasn't coalesced to that degree yet.

But, we were always aliens to the founders, the Georgetowns, Syracuses, Villanovas, etc.