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(07-04-2017 09:52 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Baylor wouldn't get picked up by the PAC-12, ACC, SEC or B1G. There's too much radioactivity around not just their athletic program right now, but their institution as well. IMO, Houston has a very realistic shot at getting a call-up and taking their place.

I think Dodds is wrong about Kansas. Kansas will absolutely have interest from all four remaining power conferences. The SEC would be an intriguing option, for it would help them elevate basketball, and it would pair them again with Missouri. The B1G will always be there, because of their location and AAU. The PAC-12 would be interesting, as getting them into a basketball conference with UCLA and Arizona would get more eyeballs during the Winter. The ACC may be a long-shot, both because of geography, lack of big-time football, and less desire to improve basketball, but I still think there would be some interest there (especially if it gets a Texas or Oklahoma there too).

Kansas heavily investing in their football stadium is no mistake either. That is a calculated plan in order to prepare them for a move to another conference.

I think that one can see the value placed upon basketball schools by looking at where the best program in the last 20 years (by far) is.....the G5. No takers for UConn. Even in an environment where lots of schools were looked at and taken and the P5 was expanding.
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Stopped reading at Dennis Dodd
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The SEC taking Oklahoma and Kansas ticks a lot of boxes:

Football (Oklahoma)
Basketball (Kansas)
AAU (Kansas)
Dallas-Fort Worth exposure (Oklahoma and Texas A&M)
Kansas City exposure (Kansas and Missouri)
Softball (Oklahoma)
Rowing (Kansas and Oklahoma with Alabama and Tennessee - do two other SEC schools add the sport?)

This would also allow Missouri to move to the West with Alabama and Auburn moving East, assuming football has to stay with only two divisions.

The SEC landing Kansas and Oklahoma also likely blocks the Big 10 from expanding until the ACC GOR expires. The Pac 12 may very well stop at 14 with Texas and Texas Tech.
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(07-04-2017 08:49 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The B1G is still making non-athletic based decisions, but I think they'll find religion when those new contracts come out.

Typical G5 hopes and prayers that the widening gap between P5 TV money and G5 TV money will magically be decreased .... because .... cord cutting? Fat chance
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(07-04-2017 10:08 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  The SEC taking Oklahoma and Kansas ticks a lot of boxes:

I'd love for OU and KU to land in the SEC.

But some SEC posters here think that SEC will have to take OK St to get OU.
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(07-04-2017 10:02 AM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  Stopped reading at Dennis Dodd

That was kind of my reaction as well.
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(07-04-2017 08:29 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here's how I would look at it.

1) What's your support profile look like?
2) What's your institutional profile look like?
3) What's your history of success look like?
4) Are you a real threat to thrive as a top 20 program as an outsider?
5) Do you have any powerful allies pushing for you to be included?

Baylor has an issue with item 1, 2, 4, and 5. And 3 is iffy.

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Also, remember that in a world without 'must take' cable contracts, Birmingham is more valuable than NYC. And Memphis is more important than DC. My question is this...how does this program being in this or that association help my team make money? If I leave that team out, will they create a CREDIBLE competitor to my conference? Can I actually add/retain this team without upsetting my stakeholders?

In a 'big bug out' scenario, Baylor is probably on the outside looking in. I don't see BYU making the cut either. They're on the outside now for a reason.

My guess is that the next realignment will take the form of a conference raid or a defection by certain teams. And that the Big XII will lose OU and UT and that the ACC's premier programs will be tempted to jump. If anything happens. OU and UT could actually even - gasp - just try to go indy.

Its kind of odd, but I think Oklahoma State has more to worry about than Vandy does at this point.

As I said before Texas (and also OU) cannot go Indy, because of their non-football sports. Football could possibly survive as an indy, but what would they do with their non-football sports? They cannot survive as an indy.
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i think they end with 75 - 80
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If Texas and Oklahoma are true football independents, their other sports would be welcomed by a host of other conferences. The Summit League would probably be the most malleable as it needs members who play baseball, and generally has schools with good academic profiles (Denver and the Dakota schools). I could see UT-Arlington coming in as #12 just to have a second member in the state of Texas.
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(07-04-2017 10:20 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 08:29 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here's how I would look at it.

1) What's your support profile look like?
2) What's your institutional profile look like?
3) What's your history of success look like?
4) Are you a real threat to thrive as a top 20 program as an outsider?
5) Do you have any powerful allies pushing for you to be included?

Baylor has an issue with item 1, 2, 4, and 5. And 3 is iffy.

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Also, remember that in a world without 'must take' cable contracts, Birmingham is more valuable than NYC. And Memphis is more important than DC. My question is this...how does this program being in this or that association help my team make money? If I leave that team out, will they create a CREDIBLE competitor to my conference? Can I actually add/retain this team without upsetting my stakeholders?

In a 'big bug out' scenario, Baylor is probably on the outside looking in. I don't see BYU making the cut either. They're on the outside now for a reason.

My guess is that the next realignment will take the form of a conference raid or a defection by certain teams. And that the Big XII will lose OU and UT and that the ACC's premier programs will be tempted to jump. If anything happens. OU and UT could actually even - gasp - just try to go indy.

Its kind of odd, but I think Oklahoma State has more to worry about than Vandy does at this point.

As I said before Texas (and also OU) cannot go Indy, because of their non-football sports. Football could possibly survive as an indy, but what would they do with their non-football sports? They cannot survive as an indy.

I bet the AAC would be willing to strike a deal with them.
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