There it is.

(07-05-2017 12:48 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 11:52 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 07:06 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 06:24 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Bobby's tag team partner just before he died was Curt Henning....Mr. Perfect. Unfortunately, Curt died at 44 in Tampa of Acute Drug Intoxication. Basically, he took too many pain pills. Then there was another one of Bobby's tag team partners....Kerry Von Erich who committed suicide at 33. I tell you....it's a tough business. With all the money D'Angelo has made....not sure he needs to be wrestling other than to just say he did it and maybe just wrestle when he feels like it and not because he needs to do it to make a living. Maybe he can be the next ROCK and use it as a stepping stone to Hollywood and the Movies.

Your confusing wrestling of the 80'same to today's wrestling it's a totally different landscape

How is it different?

In your big organizations which D would work I don't see him kicking it around on the indies the pay is better now guaranteed down side contracts. Wellness policy's against street drugs steroids and non prescribed pharmaceuticals.WWE will pay for any drug rehab program for if you need it even if after your contract is up. Curtis death you could tie back to wrestling injuries but Von Erich killed himself because he was about to go to federal prison on drug charges his injury occurred because of a dirt bike accident.

Regardless of all of this....deaths are still happening. In 2016, the following wrestlers died at very young ages.

Axl Rotten 44
Balls Mahoney 44
Christian Able 32
Chyna 46
Eiji Ezaki 48
Kris Travis 32

(07-05-2017 11:01 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 12:48 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 11:52 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 07:06 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 06:24 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Bobby's tag team partner just before he died was Curt Henning....Mr. Perfect. Unfortunately, Curt died at 44 in Tampa of Acute Drug Intoxication. Basically, he took too many pain pills. Then there was another one of Bobby's tag team partners....Kerry Von Erich who committed suicide at 33. I tell you....it's a tough business. With all the money D'Angelo has made....not sure he needs to be wrestling other than to just say he did it and maybe just wrestle when he feels like it and not because he needs to do it to make a living. Maybe he can be the next ROCK and use it as a stepping stone to Hollywood and the Movies.

Your confusing wrestling of the 80'same to today's wrestling it's a totally different landscape

How is it different?

In your big organizations which D would work I don't see him kicking it around on the indies the pay is better now guaranteed down side contracts. Wellness policy's against street drugs steroids and non prescribed pharmaceuticals.WWE will pay for any drug rehab program for if you need it even if after your contract is up. Curtis death you could tie back to wrestling injuries but Von Erich killed himself because he was about to go to federal prison on drug charges his injury occurred because of a dirt bike accident.

Regardless of all of this....deaths are still happening. In 2016, the following wrestlers died at very young ages.

Axl Rotten 44
Balls Mahoney 44
Christian Able 32
Chyna 46
Eiji Ezaki 48
Kris Travis 32

I can find just as many athletes in other sports that have died from issues caused by their sport. Not sure what Kris Travis dying of stomach cancer had to do with wrestling though.

(07-05-2017 11:41 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 11:01 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 12:48 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 11:52 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 07:06 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  Your confusing wrestling of the 80'same to today's wrestling it's a totally different landscape

How is it different?

In your big organizations which D would work I don't see him kicking it around on the indies the pay is better now guaranteed down side contracts. Wellness policy's against street drugs steroids and non prescribed pharmaceuticals.WWE will pay for any drug rehab program for if you need it even if after your contract is up. Curtis death you could tie back to wrestling injuries but Von Erich killed himself because he was about to go to federal prison on drug charges his injury occurred because of a dirt bike accident.

Regardless of all of this....deaths are still happening. In 2016, the following wrestlers died at very young ages.

Axl Rotten 44
Balls Mahoney 44
Christian Able 32
Chyna 46
Eiji Ezaki 48
Kris Travis 32

I can find just as many athletes in other sports that have died from issues caused by their sport. Not sure what Kris Travis dying of stomach cancer had to do with wrestling though.

You mean like these statistics:

NBA active roster players who died in 2016 = 1
NFL active roster players who died 2002 to 2016 = 0

Wrestling has always had an ugly underbelly. The travel demands and year round schedule lead to these guys having to make some really tough decisions. It has always been that way and will always be around in some capacity...

As far as Deagelo I hope it was a lesson learned because he was not far from seriously injuring himself. Even when he went to get up he was holding his back and that did not appear to be acting...

Dave Meltzer, dean of the wrestling journalists, was similarly impressed: “This guy, in his first match…is probably better than almost anyone…with two years training in WWE. And a lot of guys with two years training in New Japan!…It was freaky how good he was.”

(07-05-2017 12:30 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 11:41 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 11:01 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 12:48 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 11:52 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  How is it different?

In your big organizations which D would work I don't see him kicking it around on the indies the pay is better now guaranteed down side contracts. Wellness policy's against street drugs steroids and non prescribed pharmaceuticals.WWE will pay for any drug rehab program for if you need it even if after your contract is up. Curtis death you could tie back to wrestling injuries but Von Erich killed himself because he was about to go to federal prison on drug charges his injury occurred because of a dirt bike accident.

Regardless of all of this....deaths are still happening. In 2016, the following wrestlers died at very young ages.

Axl Rotten 44
Balls Mahoney 44
Christian Able 32
Chyna 46
Eiji Ezaki 48
Kris Travis 32

I can find just as many athletes in other sports that have died from issues caused by their sport. Not sure what Kris Travis dying of stomach cancer had to do with wrestling though.

You mean like these statistics:

NBA active roster players who died in 2016 = 1
NFL active roster players who died 2002 to 2016 = 0

Which one on your list was active besides the one that died from cancer?

(07-05-2017 03:44 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 12:30 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 11:41 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 11:01 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 12:48 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  In your big organizations which D would work I don't see him kicking it around on the indies the pay is better now guaranteed down side contracts. Wellness policy's against street drugs steroids and non prescribed pharmaceuticals.WWE will pay for any drug rehab program for if you need it even if after your contract is up. Curtis death you could tie back to wrestling injuries but Von Erich killed himself because he was about to go to federal prison on drug charges his injury occurred because of a dirt bike accident.

Regardless of all of this....deaths are still happening. In 2016, the following wrestlers died at very young ages.

Axl Rotten 44
Balls Mahoney 44
Christian Able 32
Chyna 46
Eiji Ezaki 48
Kris Travis 32

I can find just as many athletes in other sports that have died from issues caused by their sport. Not sure what Kris Travis dying of stomach cancer had to do with wrestling though.

You mean like these statistics:

NBA active roster players who died in 2016 = 1
NFL active roster players who died 2002 to 2016 = 0

Which one on your list was active besides the one that died from cancer?

Wrestlers can be in their 40's and be active. If I picked all wrestlers that died in 2016 it would have been more. I just checked Balls Mahoney (44 years old) and he wrestled right up to the year he died in 2016. Of course, if I took just active wrestlers who died between 2002 and 2016, it would be a rather large number especially compared to the NFL's 0 number.

I still cringe while watching certain scenes of The Wrestler starring Mickey Rourke.

Brutally real.

(07-05-2017 06:18 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 03:44 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 12:30 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 11:41 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 11:01 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Regardless of all of this....deaths are still happening. In 2016, the following wrestlers died at very young ages.

Axl Rotten 44
Balls Mahoney 44
Christian Able 32
Chyna 46
Eiji Ezaki 48
Kris Travis 32

I can find just as many athletes in other sports that have died from issues caused by their sport. Not sure what Kris Travis dying of stomach cancer had to do with wrestling though.

You mean like these statistics:

NBA active roster players who died in 2016 = 1
NFL active roster players who died 2002 to 2016 = 0

Which one on your list was active besides the one that died from cancer?

Wrestlers can be in their 40's and be active. If I picked all wrestlers that died in 2016 it would have been more. I just checked Balls Mahoney (44 years old) and he wrestled right up to the year he died in 2016. Of course, if I took just active wrestlers who died between 2002 and 2016, it would be a rather large number especially compared to the NFL's 0 number.

That's because there is an independent scene where old wrestlers can work as long as they want too. Deangelo isn't going to be a lifer he has made enough money he can do what he wants. Again let's look at how safe the nfl is https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kansascit...01703.html http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/...ll-players

(07-05-2017 07:41 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 06:18 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 03:44 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 12:30 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 11:41 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  I can find just as many athletes in other sports that have died from issues caused by their sport. Not sure what Kris Travis dying of stomach cancer had to do with wrestling though.

You mean like these statistics:

NBA active roster players who died in 2016 = 1
NFL active roster players who died 2002 to 2016 = 0

Which one on your list was active besides the one that died from cancer?

Wrestlers can be in their 40's and be active. If I picked all wrestlers that died in 2016 it would have been more. I just checked Balls Mahoney (44 years old) and he wrestled right up to the year he died in 2016. Of course, if I took just active wrestlers who died between 2002 and 2016, it would be a rather large number especially compared to the NFL's 0 number.

That's because there is an independent scene where old wrestlers can work as long as they want too. Deangelo isn't going to be a lifer he has made enough money he can do what he wants. Again let's look at how safe the nfl is https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kansascit...01703.html http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/...ll-players

You know....I have really been very nice. If I put Bobby's wife, Michelle, my daughter on here...you would be getting an eyeful and it would be rather revealing and rather ugly as far as professional wrestling is concerned. In fact, I think she belongs to a group of pro wrestling widows and they didn't organize because they were happy campers. http://articles.latimes.com/2003/mar/29/...mireside29

(07-05-2017 09:04 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 07:41 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 06:18 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 03:44 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 12:30 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  You mean like these statistics:

NBA active roster players who died in 2016 = 1
NFL active roster players who died 2002 to 2016 = 0

Which one on your list was active besides the one that died from cancer?

Wrestlers can be in their 40's and be active. If I picked all wrestlers that died in 2016 it would have been more. I just checked Balls Mahoney (44 years old) and he wrestled right up to the year he died in 2016. Of course, if I took just active wrestlers who died between 2002 and 2016, it would be a rather large number especially compared to the NFL's 0 number.

That's because there is an independent scene where old wrestlers can work as long as they want too. Deangelo isn't going to be a lifer he has made enough money he can do what he wants. Again let's look at how safe the nfl is https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kansascit...01703.html http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/...ll-players

You know....I have really been very nice. If I put Bobby's wife, Michelle, my daughter on here...you would be getting an eyeful and it would be rather revealing and rather ugly as far as professional wrestling is concerned. In fact, I think she belongs to a group of pro wrestling widows and they didn't organize because they were happy campers. http://articles.latimes.com/2003/mar/29/...mireside29

She couldn't show me anything I didn't already know. These widows weren't happy campers either https://www.google.com/amp/amp.charlotte...73369.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/newsone.com...icide/amp/

And now it's a non issue http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/07/deangelo...tiring/amp

(07-04-2017 11:58 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:54 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 08:57 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Pro wrestling is obviously choreographed, but the injuries are real.

You are right about that. My son-in-law was BOBBY DUNCUM, JR. who played football for THE TEXAS LONGHORNS and afterwards, entered professional wrestling like his father. He started wresting in Japan and eventually came back to the US with the WCW. The deal is, you have a contract to wrestle and if you don't....you don't get paid. So what happens is that you wrestle when you are hurt and start becoming dependent on pain pills to enable you to perform. So, each time you visit a different city....you see a different doctor and get pills.....pretty soon you become addicted. Bobby died in his early 30's and it was due to wrestling and pain pills. I hope DeAngelo doesn't get into this rat race. Here is a video of Bobby wrestling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep808YeIJ8w

Major promotions have guaranteed contracts now. And judging by the time of the video you posted Bobby had to have had some type of guarantee also.

Some type of guarantee ... we'll guarantee to buy you a plane ticket home ... oops, sorry, make that a bus ticket. We'll guarantee you a six month contract, if you get hurt in month 5, well, too bad, good luck with that compression fracture in your back. We'll guarantee that if you don't wrestle tonight (or any night), you won't be re-upped when your contract is up next month.

(07-05-2017 09:28 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 11:58 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:54 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 08:57 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Pro wrestling is obviously choreographed, but the injuries are real.

You are right about that. My son-in-law was BOBBY DUNCUM, JR. who played football for THE TEXAS LONGHORNS and afterwards, entered professional wrestling like his father. He started wresting in Japan and eventually came back to the US with the WCW. The deal is, you have a contract to wrestle and if you don't....you don't get paid. So what happens is that you wrestle when you are hurt and start becoming dependent on pain pills to enable you to perform. So, each time you visit a different city....you see a different doctor and get pills.....pretty soon you become addicted. Bobby died in his early 30's and it was due to wrestling and pain pills. I hope DeAngelo doesn't get into this rat race. Here is a video of Bobby wrestling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep808YeIJ8w

Major promotions have guaranteed contracts now. And judging by the time of the video you posted Bobby had to have had some type of guarantee also.

Some type of guarantee ... we'll guarantee to buy you a plane ticket home ... oops, sorry, make that a bus ticket. We'll guarantee you a six month contract, if you get hurt in month 5, well, too bad, good luck with that compression fracture in your back. We'll guarantee that if you don't wrestle tonight (or any night), you won't be re-upped when your contract is up next month.

Actually WWE has had multiple wrestlers recently for an extended period of time with neck issues that have all been paid their guarantee. How is this any different from the terrible NFL contracts?

(07-05-2017 09:37 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 09:28 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 11:58 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:54 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 08:57 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Pro wrestling is obviously choreographed, but the injuries are real.

You are right about that. My son-in-law was BOBBY DUNCUM, JR. who played football for THE TEXAS LONGHORNS and afterwards, entered professional wrestling like his father. He started wresting in Japan and eventually came back to the US with the WCW. The deal is, you have a contract to wrestle and if you don't....you don't get paid. So what happens is that you wrestle when you are hurt and start becoming dependent on pain pills to enable you to perform. So, each time you visit a different city....you see a different doctor and get pills.....pretty soon you become addicted. Bobby died in his early 30's and it was due to wrestling and pain pills. I hope DeAngelo doesn't get into this rat race. Here is a video of Bobby wrestling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep808YeIJ8w

Major promotions have guaranteed contracts now. And judging by the time of the video you posted Bobby had to have had some type of guarantee also.

Some type of guarantee ... we'll guarantee to buy you a plane ticket home ... oops, sorry, make that a bus ticket. We'll guarantee you a six month contract, if you get hurt in month 5, well, too bad, good luck with that compression fracture in your back. We'll guarantee that if you don't wrestle tonight (or any night), you won't be re-upped when your contract is up next month.

Actually WWE has had multiple wrestlers recently for an extended period of time with neck issues that have all been paid their guarantee. How is this any different from the terrible NFL contracts?

I was talking about Duncum specifically.

I'm sure things have improved in the WWE, but I'm also sure it's not all sunshine and roses. You don't think there still aren't steroids lurking about? Painkillers galore? Pressure to wrestle hurt?

In answer to your question though, the major difference is that NFL players collectively bargain for their pay and benefits and share in the profits of the league. No such animal in WWE, who basically has a monopoly on the business in the US.

(07-06-2017 12:08 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 09:37 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-05-2017 09:28 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 11:58 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:54 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  You are right about that. My son-in-law was BOBBY DUNCUM, JR. who played football for THE TEXAS LONGHORNS and afterwards, entered professional wrestling like his father. He started wresting in Japan and eventually came back to the US with the WCW. The deal is, you have a contract to wrestle and if you don't....you don't get paid. So what happens is that you wrestle when you are hurt and start becoming dependent on pain pills to enable you to perform. So, each time you visit a different city....you see a different doctor and get pills.....pretty soon you become addicted. Bobby died in his early 30's and it was due to wrestling and pain pills. I hope DeAngelo doesn't get into this rat race. Here is a video of Bobby wrestling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep808YeIJ8w

Major promotions have guaranteed contracts now. And judging by the time of the video you posted Bobby had to have had some type of guarantee also.

Some type of guarantee ... we'll guarantee to buy you a plane ticket home ... oops, sorry, make that a bus ticket. We'll guarantee you a six month contract, if you get hurt in month 5, well, too bad, good luck with that compression fracture in your back. We'll guarantee that if you don't wrestle tonight (or any night), you won't be re-upped when your contract is up next month.

Actually WWE has had multiple wrestlers recently for an extended period of time with neck issues that have all been paid their guarantee. How is this any different from the terrible NFL contracts?

I was talking about Duncum specifically.

I'm sure things have improved in the WWE, but I'm also sure it's not all sunshine and roses. You don't think there still aren't steroids lurking about? Painkillers galore? Pressure to wrestle hurt?

In answer to your question though, the major difference is that NFL players collectively bargain for their pay and benefits and share in the profits of the league. No such animal in WWE, who basically has a monopoly on the business in the US.

I'm sure all of those things are still used readily but you can't say that aren't in the NFL either. As far as the monopoly I'll agree to that but they couldnt control horrible owners Time Warner/AOL WCW and Dixie Carter TNA drove themselves out of business.

Wow some of you will argue about anything.

(07-06-2017 07:10 AM)Tiger57 Wrote:  Wow some of you will argue about anything.

It's the off-season.

(07-06-2017 07:10 AM)Tiger57 Wrote:  Wow some of you will argue about anything.

No we won't!!!!