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RE: California's Travel Ban - Ramifications
(07-04-2017 10:18 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  They'll figure out a way to pay for coaches to travel, using the exemption in OP's point #1.

The spirit and intent of the ban has nothing to do with athletics.

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Exactly. Just like I stated earlier, they will find a way around it. The law wasn't intended to stop games between schools. It can be easily circumvented by writing the game contracts to clearly address the issue or via the use of donated funds (Im sure there are other ways around the travel ban as well). Where it may have some ramifications is you may see some G5's pick up home games vs California P5's because they are more willing to be flexible with contract terms like travel costs.
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(07-04-2017 02:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:18 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  They'll figure out a way to pay for coaches to travel, using the exemption in OP's point #1.

The spirit and intent of the ban has nothing to do with athletics.

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Exactly. Just like I stated earlier, they will find a way around it. The law wasn't intended to stop games between schools. It can be easily circumvented by writing the game contracts to clearly address the issue or via the use of donated funds (Im sure there are other ways around the travel ban as well). Where it may have some ramifications is you may see some G5's pick up home games vs California P5's because they are more willing to be flexible with contract terms like travel costs.

Tom's gross mischaracterization of the issue earlier in this thread has muddied the water.

The ban is intended to prevent "official travel," whatever that means.

California doesn't know what this means anymore than you or I. It's riddled with exception and all kinds of nonsense.
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RE: California's Travel Ban - Ramifications
California is not Your Fathers California today, it's an out of control mess that only the very wealthy can make it. Too many restrictions on Their own residents ,why worry about what other states do. As far as Gay rights in Kentucky and the Califorina travel ban, Louisville has been one of the top 5 most leanent and friendlist cities in America for Gays. Large Gay populated neighborhoods co exist in Louisvilles Highlands, Cresent Hill and Cliffton areas. Lexington and other cities have friendly areas. This California travel ban is all about states that voted Republican. Nothing more.
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(07-04-2017 09:23 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 09:12 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  "Don't make this political."

"Here is my political opinion."

"Hey, why are you getting so political?"

...the stupidity of this thread would be mind blowing if it came from any other OP.

Just responding to the others in here.

No surprise you would come in here for the purpose of attacking me.

Care to opine as to the ramifications of California's laws on conference alignment? Or are you just here to insult me in yet another clearly transparent attempt to discourage me from posting because you don't like the thread (or people like me in general)?

I agree with you 100% that the California ban has potential realignment ramifications and therefore is totally appropriate for this forum.

That said, "HoD" does have a point: You started this thread with an admonishment to "not make this discussion political", when your language in describing this issue from your first reply to Attackcoog onwards has been political. You have adopted the language of those in California who view the actions of states like Texas as discriminatory, when of course those states would deny that, rather they would characterize their laws as protecting other rights, e.g., Texas says its child adoption law that California characterizes as discriminatory is actually intended to protect religious freedom.

E.g., consider the "wedding cake" case that the supreme court is taking up next year. The state of Colorado says that by refusing to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple, the baker was engaging in illegal discrimination. On the other hand, the baker claims he was exercising his first amendment religious freedom rights. If you adopt either of those views, one liberal, the other conservative, you are taking a political position.

Your language indicates that you seem to be in the camp of the California and Colorado liberals on this issue, which is a political position.
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Let the wall take a right at the California/Arizonia state line. Califorina keeps the others & boys and girls move east.
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(07-04-2017 02:32 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  California is not Your Fathers California today, it's an out of control mess that only the very wealthy can make it. Too many restrictions on Their own residents ,why worry about what other states do. As far as Gay rights in Kentucky and the Califorina travel ban, Louisville has been one of the top 5 most leanent and friendlist cities in America for Gays. Large Gay populated neighborhoods co exist in Louisvilles Highlands, Cresent Hill and Cliffton areas. Lexington and other cities have friendly areas. This California travel ban is all about states that voted Republican. Nothing more.

The USA is a republic not city states.
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(07-04-2017 05:46 AM)Shox Wrote:  
(07-03-2017 08:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/06...l-ban.html

Keep this non-political.

Looks like the way the ban has been mooted is as follows

1) Coaches not being paid by taxpayers are exempt.
2) Does NOT cover already scheduled games
3) Does cover any future scheduled games

This could cause some chaos.

States covered under the California ban

Texas, South Dakota, Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Kentucky, North Carolina, and Tennessee. It is possible that Ohio will be added. It is possible that Idaho has some laws that could cause the AGs order to apply. That would complicate things a LOT more.

California D1 schools covered by the order.

Fresno State, San Jose State, San Diego State (MWC). California, UCLA (Pac 12). UC-Davis, UCSD, Cal Poly, UC-Irvine, Long Beach, Cal State Fullerton, Cal State Northridge (Big West). Cal State Sacramento (Big Sky).

And a potential huge problem for one school. Cal State Bakersfield (WAC).

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If the AG order is held up, then the ramifications are pretty interesting

Pac 12 - no member institutions are covered by the ban and none are likely to be covered by it. But it does mean that any UT or Oklahoma to the Pac discussions are moot at this point. As well as any discussion of a raid by the Big XII into California (unlikely anyway)

MWC - no member institutions covered by the ban. But it means that any thoughts that UTEP might have of moving back are probably dead at this point. And any thoughts of an AAC raid on SDSU, however unlikely, aren't happening either

Big Sky and Big West, no member institutions covered by the ban.

The West Coast Conference has no public schools. Exempt.

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But Cal State - Bakersfield and the WAC have a potential problem. UT-RGV is also a WAC member. Two Texas schools also participate in the WAC as affiliate members in men's soccer

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Interesting to see how this will play out. Or if any other states will follow California and the other states that have rules like this.

My guess is that this will be sorted out in about 5 years or so. But not before then.

Is this a huge glass of ice water on a bunch of realignment scenarios?

A. Everything you post here is political so it's impossible to keep this thread non political.
B. California is flat broke and won't ever really implement this. Like everything, they will make "exceptions" so it will turn out to be nothing but saber rattling per usual.
C. Sports is the one common ground all political spectrums can unite behind and using it to try and influence others to believe what you believe, SJW style, is flat out sickening and pathetic.

No, California is not flat broke. You're grossly ill informed.
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(07-04-2017 02:32 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  California is not Your Fathers California today, it's an out of control mess that only the very wealthy can make it. Too many restrictions on Their own residents ,why worry about what other states do. As far as Gay rights in Kentucky and the Califorina travel ban, Louisville has been one of the top 5 most leanent and friendlist cities in America for Gays. Large Gay populated neighborhoods co exist in Louisvilles Highlands, Cresent Hill and Cliffton areas. Lexington and other cities have friendly areas. This California travel ban is all about states that voted Republican. Nothing more.

It has nothing to do with imposing bans on red states, it's using the power of the purse. No one is saying employees can't travel to those states, only that the it won't be on the state's dime. California is actually a lot more red than most realize, it's just a general misconception that the state is liberal blue. Just cause Feinstein and Pelosi are idiots doesn't mean the whole state is that far gone.
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Texas doesn't care one bit if Cal bans so called travel to Texas. Texas may actually reciprocate to Cal from what I hear. Californians are flocking droves to Texas, so apparently Texas' policies aren't stopping anyone from leaving Cal to TX by the thousands. TX economy is red hot and individuals and companies are "travelling" from CA to TX in droves. Expect Texas to reciprocate this travel ban. Don't mess with Texas. This will accomplish nothing by CA as far as TX is concerned.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/pol...243764.php

Texas to California on travel ban: Get a life

Lawmakers mock travel restrictions to Texas in response to adoption law

AUSTIN - A day after California banned state-funded travel to Texas, citing a new Lone Star adoption law they say is discriminatory, Texas officials on Friday mocked the decision as a cheap political stunt.

There were suggestions that Texas lawmakers might try to find a way to retaliate in their upcoming special session starting July 18.

"California might be able to stop their state employees, but they can't stop all the businesses that are fleeing over-taxation and -regulation, and relocating to Texas," said Gov. Greg Abbott's press secretary, John Wittman.

Privately, Abbott aides and legislative leaders dissed the California move as hollow, saying that if that if the Golden State is so concerned about discrimination and human rights outside its borders, Gov. Jerry Brown should not have recently visited China. In China, they said, gay marriage is illegal, workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity is common, same-sex rape is not against the law, and the civil rights of LGBTQ people are not protected.

Others noted that a group of California politicians was in Dallas on Friday for the annual gathering of the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, despite the ban.

"It's funny how the very state that is so adamantly against keeping terrorists out of our country - they oppose the president's travel ban - now wants to keep Californians out of Texas," said Marc Rylander, communications director for Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. "I guess that's California logic."

Others seemed ready to fire back at California over the snub. "I hope @GregAbbott_TX will let us reciprocate during the special session," tweeted state Rep. Dustin Burrows, R-Lubbock.

Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick was in line throwing shade at California, as well. "If California state employees can't come to Texas, they will be among the few Californians who remain at home," he said. "Thousands of folks fled California's high taxes and liberal attitudes to come to Texas in 2015. Overall, Texas gained over half million new residents from other states. In California, almost 700,000 people moved out."

Alejandro Garcia, his spokesman, added: "Lt. Gov. Patrick finds it ironic that Gov. Moonbeam Brown is trying to impose political correctness on Texas. Thousands of conservative Californians and business owners have already moved to Texas because of high taxes and over-regulation. Now they have another reason to leave."

California Gov. Jerry Brown and other officials had no immediate response.

California Attorney General Xavier Becerra touched off the controversy Thursday by adding Texas and three other states to a list of places where California-funded or sponsored travel is prohibited, under a state law that restricts the expenditure of state funds to places that "authorize discrimination" against people because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.

It also covers places that repeal state or local protections for LGBTQ residents or create exemptions to laws to permit discrimination against same-sex couples or families.

The target of the Texas listing is a new law that allows child welfare providers to deny adoptions to parents based on "sincerely held religious beliefs." California officials said that is discriminatory.

The author of that law, state Rep. Wayne Frank, R-Wichita Falls, accused California of playing "political games" with legislation that was designed to protect religious liberties as part of sweeping reforms to improve the foster-care system.

"While California prides itself on being 'open-minded,' it is only open-minded if you kneel at the altar of a certain political agenda," Frank said. "It seems that California has become like many college campuses across the country. They love a diversity of people but not a diversity of opinion."
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(07-04-2017 09:57 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 02:32 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  California is not Your Fathers California today, it's an out of control mess that only the very wealthy can make it. Too many restrictions on Their own residents ,why worry about what other states do. As far as Gay rights in Kentucky and the Califorina travel ban, Louisville has been one of the top 5 most leanent and friendlist cities in America for Gays. Large Gay populated neighborhoods co exist in Louisvilles Highlands, Cresent Hill and Cliffton areas. Lexington and other cities have friendly areas. This California travel ban is all about states that voted Republican. Nothing more.

It has nothing to do with imposing bans on red states, it's using the power of the purse. No one is saying employees can't travel to those states, only that the it won't be on the state's dime. California is actually a lot more red than most realize, it's just a general misconception that the state is liberal blue. Just cause Feinstein and Pelosi are idiots doesn't mean the whole state is that far gone.

Yeah, Cali does have a boatload of conservatives. It's just that they have so many liberals, it's hard to notice, but they are definitely there. Orange County, CA is traditionally one of the most conservative areas of the country.
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