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RE: California's Travel Ban - Ramifications
(07-03-2017 09:51 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Bakersfield's WAC membership makes UTRGV travel grandfathered.

It may also grandfatherPac-12 and MWC schools if the conference adds Texas schools, since they are contractually bound to honor the existing conference agreement. What it may impact is OOC games.

I await to see the SCOTUS rule on this, especially with respect to article IV. The 9th circuit may uphold it, but it wont end there.

It might be about a decade before it hits SCOTUS. And if the courts rule that individual states must export its citizens to other states with taxpayer funds to face legislation that is illegal in their own state...then the court would be opening up a huge can of worms that would go way beyond football.

I'd also consider that these laws can be amended. And that I doubt the concerns of any athletic team, especially a college team in California, are going to be controlling in a Democratic primary in California. Or that the concerns of Bakersfield are of any consequence in Sacramento.
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RE: California's Travel Ban - Ramifications
(07-04-2017 12:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(07-03-2017 10:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Seems like this could really impact California team participation in NCAA championships and bowl games, many of which are held in "banned" states. E.g., the 2018 Final Four is in San Antonio. I presume if UCLA advances that far, they won't be able to participate?

And what about the PAC tie-ins with bowls in Texas, or playing in the Cotton Bowl there? Presumably, no dice.

And also there would seem to be negative recruiting implications. Can't send coaches or staff to certain states to recruit players.


FCS Championship in Frisco, Texas. The three California schools, if they go into the playoffs and get to that point will be in a pickle as well.

Potentially, the California teams would have to forfeit. It would be the end of either championships in certain states, or the end of the NCAA.
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California is a PC swamp.
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RE: California's Travel Ban - Ramifications
(07-04-2017 05:46 AM)Shox Wrote:  
(07-03-2017 08:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/06...l-ban.html

Keep this non-political.

Looks like the way the ban has been mooted is as follows

1) Coaches not being paid by taxpayers are exempt.
2) Does NOT cover already scheduled games
3) Does cover any future scheduled games

This could cause some chaos.

States covered under the California ban

Texas, South Dakota, Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Kentucky, North Carolina, and Tennessee. It is possible that Ohio will be added. It is possible that Idaho has some laws that could cause the AGs order to apply. That would complicate things a LOT more.

California D1 schools covered by the order.

Fresno State, San Jose State, San Diego State (MWC). California, UCLA (Pac 12). UC-Davis, UCSD, Cal Poly, UC-Irvine, Long Beach, Cal State Fullerton, Cal State Northridge (Big West). Cal State Sacramento (Big Sky).

And a potential huge problem for one school. Cal State Bakersfield (WAC).

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If the AG order is held up, then the ramifications are pretty interesting

Pac 12 - no member institutions are covered by the ban and none are likely to be covered by it. But it does mean that any UT or Oklahoma to the Pac discussions are moot at this point. As well as any discussion of a raid by the Big XII into California (unlikely anyway)

MWC - no member institutions covered by the ban. But it means that any thoughts that UTEP might have of moving back are probably dead at this point. And any thoughts of an AAC raid on SDSU, however unlikely, aren't happening either

Big Sky and Big West, no member institutions covered by the ban.

The West Coast Conference has no public schools. Exempt.

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But Cal State - Bakersfield and the WAC have a potential problem. UT-RGV is also a WAC member. Two Texas schools also participate in the WAC as affiliate members in men's soccer

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Interesting to see how this will play out. Or if any other states will follow California and the other states that have rules like this.

My guess is that this will be sorted out in about 5 years or so. But not before then.

Is this a huge glass of ice water on a bunch of realignment scenarios?

A. Everything you post here is political so it's impossible to keep this thread non political.
B. California is flat broke and won't ever really implement this. Like everything, they will make "exceptions" so it will turn out to be nothing but saber rattling per usual.
C. Sports is the one common ground all political spectrums can unite behind and using it to try and influence others to believe what you believe, SJW style, is flat out sickening and pathetic.

LOL. Unlike you, I'm actually referring this to conference realignment

You are the one misbehaving, not I.

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California is doing just fine btw. How's Kansas' doing?
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RE: California's Travel Ban - Ramifications
"Don't make this political."

"Here is my political opinion."

"Hey, why are you getting so political?"

...the stupidity of this thread would be mind blowing if it came from any other OP.
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RE: California's Travel Ban - Ramifications
I expect that conference games were bound by conference membership before the ban, and would be exempt.
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RE: California's Travel Ban - Ramifications
(07-04-2017 09:12 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  "Don't make this political."

"Here is my political opinion."

"Hey, why are you getting so political?"

...the stupidity of this thread would be mind blowing if it came from any other OP.

Just responding to the others in here.

No surprise you would come in here for the purpose of attacking me.

Care to opine as to the ramifications of California's laws on conference alignment? Or are you just here to insult me in yet another clearly transparent attempt to discourage me from posting because you don't like the thread (or people like me in general)?

How is this thread stupid? I think I know your educational background. Is the AG's order valid? Will it hold up in court? And if not, how long will it take for it to get stayed?

How could this impact any attempt by any conference to move into Texas?

You could answer those.....or you could just continue to engage in passive (very passive - btw) aggressive attempts to demean me for posting it.

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This is an issue that has impact on conference alignment. Whether you like it or not.
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RE: California's Travel Ban - Ramifications
(07-04-2017 09:19 AM)megadrone Wrote:  I expect that conference games were bound by conference membership before the ban, and would be exempt.

Might be. For now. Remember the only conference impacted by this as of now is Cal State - Bakersfield. I'm not sure they have much pull in Sacto.

Either way, I could imagine that any attempt by any conference with a California member to add a team covered by the ban would result in some different response by the California AG.
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They'll figure out a way to pay for coaches to travel, using the exemption in OP's point #1.

The spirit and intent of the ban has nothing to do with athletics.

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California's Travel Ban - Ramifications
How can you mandate that posts be non-political, when this whole travel idea was created by a bunch of liberal snowflake politicians.


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