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RE: Odds of playing college sports out of highschool
My son was planning to play soccer at a D3, but dropped off the roster to have more fun. I don't know how much he was influenced by the prospects,of,riding the bench most of,the time.
07-07-2017 09:47 PM
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The most surprising thing about that report to me is that it says 225,000 high school students are playing golf.
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RE: Odds of playing college sports out of highschool
Those numbers need to be posted on the fences and walls of every high school and youth sports venue in the country. Between their own rose-colored glasses and "all-star" leagues blowing smoke up their behinds to keep the money flowing, way too many parents think their kid has a legit chance at a college scholarship, and get militant about it when they think the high school Junior attends is doing any minuscule thing that they perceive as harming the kid's chances in any way, shape, or form.

If only 1 out 10 or so kids is going to make it, a) there's a good chance your kid isn't the 1 in the first place, and b) even if he is, any decisions the school or state makes should by all means be based upon what's best for the 90% of athletes who won't be playing on, not the slim minority who will.
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RE: Odds of playing college sports out of highschool
(07-04-2017 06:29 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 10:40 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  For whatever it's worth, if you are a starter in high school, you can likely play D3. The costs of attending a D3 school are usually not worth extending the playing time but most can play. We had guys on my HS team who barely lettered that ended up playing D3 football.

The chart from the original link shows that only 8% of all high school football starters play any kind of college football though; that's D1, D2, D3, NAIA, and NJCAA combined. So I'm not following what you base your analysis on. If it really is based on just your one school, I think you need to look a little further.

I understand that some guys who play multiple sports in high school almost always end up choosing just one sport in college, so there may be some overlap with HS football players who might play baseball, basketball, or something else in college instead. But even if we work under the assumption that every HS football starter will actually choose football for college, rather than another sport, I can't see the number jumping from 8% to anything more than maybe 40-45%.

Maybe you graduated from a regional football powerhouse where a much higher percentage than normal go on to play college football at various levels, as we have a few of those in Texas to be sure (national powerhouses even). But nationally, I can't see it going above 45% given the low 8% figure provided on the link, and I think 45% is probably even a pretty liberal estimate.

He meant probably could play but it's really not worth the time at that level. In other words they just aren't choosing to play. So because a lot of "better" players are deciding not to bother with D3 what happens is that D3 teams get filled with a lot of scrubs that just want to say they played college ball.

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(07-07-2017 08:57 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 03:03 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  As a final retort, I invite you to look at the numbers in black & white, offered by the link. There are 1,122,024 kids who play HS football, and there are 90,136 who play college football (which again represents D1, D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA, and "Other" combined). In other words, there are about 12.4 high school football players for every college football player, meaning there's NO WAY nearly any HS football player can play D3. At a 12:1 ratio, only the best of the HS players could make the cut.

There's a clear distinction between scholarship athletics and non-scholarship athletics. While the former is an easy to sell commodity, the latter requires folks to buy in to paying to play (very hard sell). If you want to discuss the low ratio of athletes who get their college paid for through athletics, you won't get any argument from me.

But the D3 numbers only tell you how many accepted the opportunity to play in college. It doesnt calculate at all how many declined that opportunity. I, like many others, decided attending a bigger state college (at the fraction of the cost) was much better fit than extending an average athletic career at a small private school like Randolph Macon or Shenandoah.

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RE: Odds of playing college sports out of highschool
Raise fencers(nearly a third fence in college, more than half of that D1) or gymnasts(one fifth compete in college, the majority of that D1).
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RE: Odds of playing college sports out of highschool
(07-07-2017 08:57 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 03:03 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  As a final retort, I invite you to look at the numbers in black & white, offered by the link. There are 1,122,024 kids who play HS football, and there are 90,136 who play college football (which again represents D1, D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA, and "Other" combined). In other words, there are about 12.4 high school football players for every college football player, meaning there's NO WAY nearly any HS football player can play D3. At a 12:1 ratio, only the best of the HS players could make the cut.

There's a clear distinction between scholarship athletics and non-scholarship athletics. While the former is an easy to sell commodity, the latter requires folks to buy in to paying to play (very hard sell). If you want to discuss the low ratio of athletes who get their college paid for through athletics, you won't get any argument from me.

But the D3 numbers only tell you how many accepted the opportunity to play in college. It doesnt calculate at all how many declined that opportunity. I, like many others, decided attending a bigger state college (at the fraction of the cost) was much better fit than extending an average athletic career at a small private school like Randolph Macon or Shenandoah.

A large number of D3 kids are offered scholarships, just not athletic schollies. IIRC (in my fried old brain), I was offered something like a "leadership scholarship" (trying to recall, that might not be the exact title) for wrestling from a D3 school. I declined because I enjoyed playing roundball more than wrestling (was offered a D2 scholly in that sport).
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(07-08-2017 02:52 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 08:57 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 03:03 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  As a final retort, I invite you to look at the numbers in black & white, offered by the link. There are 1,122,024 kids who play HS football, and there are 90,136 who play college football (which again represents D1, D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA, and "Other" combined). In other words, there are about 12.4 high school football players for every college football player, meaning there's NO WAY nearly any HS football player can play D3. At a 12:1 ratio, only the best of the HS players could make the cut.

There's a clear distinction between scholarship athletics and non-scholarship athletics. While the former is an easy to sell commodity, the latter requires folks to buy in to paying to play (very hard sell). If you want to discuss the low ratio of athletes who get their college paid for through athletics, you won't get any argument from me.

But the D3 numbers only tell you how many accepted the opportunity to play in college. It doesnt calculate at all how many declined that opportunity. I, like many others, decided attending a bigger state college (at the fraction of the cost) was much better fit than extending an average athletic career at a small private school like Randolph Macon or Shenandoah.

A large number of D3 kids are offered scholarships, just not athletic schollies. IIRC (in my fried old brain), I was offered something like a "leadership scholarship" (trying to recall, that might not be the exact title) for wrestling from a D3 school. I declined because I enjoyed playing roundball more than wrestling (was offered a D2 scholly in that sport).

I was offered something similar for football, but even with those offers I would have paid more to play. All but one D3 school in Virginia is private and even that lone private is much more costly than the other publics. Add in the ability to work while not playing sports, and the disparity gets larger. Just wasn't the right choice for me.
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(07-08-2017 07:46 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 02:52 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 08:57 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 03:03 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  As a final retort, I invite you to look at the numbers in black & white, offered by the link. There are 1,122,024 kids who play HS football, and there are 90,136 who play college football (which again represents D1, D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA, and "Other" combined). In other words, there are about 12.4 high school football players for every college football player, meaning there's NO WAY nearly any HS football player can play D3. At a 12:1 ratio, only the best of the HS players could make the cut.

There's a clear distinction between scholarship athletics and non-scholarship athletics. While the former is an easy to sell commodity, the latter requires folks to buy in to paying to play (very hard sell). If you want to discuss the low ratio of athletes who get their college paid for through athletics, you won't get any argument from me.

But the D3 numbers only tell you how many accepted the opportunity to play in college. It doesnt calculate at all how many declined that opportunity. I, like many others, decided attending a bigger state college (at the fraction of the cost) was much better fit than extending an average athletic career at a small private school like Randolph Macon or Shenandoah.

A large number of D3 kids are offered scholarships, just not athletic schollies. IIRC (in my fried old brain), I was offered something like a "leadership scholarship" (trying to recall, that might not be the exact title) for wrestling from a D3 school. I declined because I enjoyed playing roundball more than wrestling (was offered a D2 scholly in that sport).

I was offered something similar for football, but even with those offers I would have paid more to play. All but one D3 school in Virginia is private and even that lone private is much more costly than the other publics. Add in the ability to work while not playing sports, and the disparity gets larger. Just wasn't the right choice for me.

Yeah, I gotcha. I remember being under the impression I was being offered a full ride but then again, it was an extremely short discussion because my mind was already firmly made up and my plans did not involve any college at all at that time, including the hoops offer. I did end up playing semi-pro baskets for $1150/mo a couple of years later though (which wasn't TOO horrible in '83-'84). No regrets whatsoever. 04-cheers
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There's nothing worse than a 13 year old, 5'3 kid with 5'6 parents tell me he's gonna give up baseball and/or football to "concentrate" on basketball. Blows me away that kids don't want to enjoy high school sports. Play em all!
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